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I hear that pilots are now leaving Qatar Airways as fast as they are joining so I guess we need this thread.
I also hear that if you do the decent thing and give three months notice Qatar Airways respond by refusing leave in the notice period, cancelling staff travel entitlement and witholding pay! Easy to see how they achieved the 5 star rating.
Little wonder, then, that most people leaving "The World's Five Star Airline" do so without warning. Presumeably there are those in the Company who claim that those who leave in this manner are some kind of lesser beings who are not honouring their contracts. Has it occured to them that the treatment of those that are foolish enough to treat Qatar Airways as an honourable Company is one of the reasons that the recruitment rate will soon be lower than the departure rate!
As one who is faced with a choice between honourable departure resulting in virtual imprisonment in Qatar for three months or doing a runner (against all my principles) may I ask that some of those that have left in either way pass on their experiences?
I fully appreciate that those who have moved on may not feel inclined to take the trouble to respond but in the end it may benefit all of us if we can shed some light on this interesting part of the modern airline world.
Potential Qatar Airways employees may also benefit from some enlightenment in this area as compared with other operators in this neck of the woods. (What woods? I hear you cry.)
I hear that pilots are now leaving Qatar Airways as fast as they are joining so I guess we need this thread.
I also hear that if you do the decent thing and give three months notice Qatar Airways respond by refusing leave in the notice period, cancelling staff travel entitlement and witholding pay! Easy to see how they achieved the 5 star rating.
Little wonder, then, that most people leaving "The World's Five Star Airline" do so without warning. Presumeably there are those in the Company who claim that those who leave in this manner are some kind of lesser beings who are not honouring their contracts. Has it occured to them that the treatment of those that are foolish enough to treat Qatar Airways as an honourable Company is one of the reasons that the recruitment rate will soon be lower than the departure rate!
As one who is faced with a choice between honourable departure resulting in virtual imprisonment in Qatar for three months or doing a runner (against all my principles) may I ask that some of those that have left in either way pass on their experiences?
I fully appreciate that those who have moved on may not feel inclined to take the trouble to respond but in the end it may benefit all of us if we can shed some light on this interesting part of the modern airline world.
Potential Qatar Airways employees may also benefit from some enlightenment in this area as compared with other operators in this neck of the woods. (What woods? I hear you cry.)
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Thank you Desert Hawk, this is one of the most practical threads that could have been started.
For instance, is it true that after having given notice in the correct manner, the employee and his/her family are denied ID travel? Surely not!
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For instance, is it true that after having given notice in the correct manner, the employee and his/her family are denied ID travel? Surely not!
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sad but true, your ID travel entitlement is cancelled upon your resignation. All loans in Qatar must be paid in full before receiving a bank clearance, all traffic violations must be taken care of before receiving resident permit cancellation without which you will not be able to attain an exit clearance.
your end of service entitlement is withheld until your clearances are completed properly (this applies to all airline staff).
If you hold a personal cheque account and credit cards the Bank will instantly (within minutes of notification of your resignation) freeze your assets in your account for 60 days or more in case of any credit card items or personal check issuances. (good luck trying close the account from abroad).
Heaven forbid the MOI (Ministry of the Interior) have anything pending on you such as a unknown accusation of any kind (did you give someone the middle finger while in traffic?) then you WILL be detained in the country.
Having said all that. I do know many people who have left the airline giving the proper required 3 month notice period and did the proper clearance procedures with little or no incident. it's allot of running around for documents and signatures, all being done between the regular flying roster. (you'll fly to the very last day for sure).
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sorry for dual posting..
I've posted this in another 3d
But I think it's more usefull here....
Last month more than 700 people resigned, and for the first time since years the number of hiring is lower then resignation.
Especially for pilots the management will see a negative trend, as even people who was offered a position are not showing up....
And a lot more will leave the company within next two-three months since the market is opening up again......
Since last 2 years many experienced F/O from Europe, Usa and Australia joined because of the promise of a fast track command, but since now the balance has been extremely negative, as only 4 upgrade were done compared to more than 150 DEC...
And even DEC are not happy because there is no fleet transfer to Lang Haul....
Things must change in this company, or they will have aircraft on ground within next year.
The old fashioned way of giving more money to attract people doesn't work anymore, as F/O around the world are getting older....
So dear, management, make a little effort to make sure that pilots you have fooled in the past with false promises, will remain in the company ....
At least I admit this F
ing stupid rule is gone and hope it will never come back. Thankyou IW, and those who made it possible.
Rgds, Babysandbox
But I think it's more usefull here....
Last month more than 700 people resigned, and for the first time since years the number of hiring is lower then resignation.
Especially for pilots the management will see a negative trend, as even people who was offered a position are not showing up....
And a lot more will leave the company within next two-three months since the market is opening up again......
Since last 2 years many experienced F/O from Europe, Usa and Australia joined because of the promise of a fast track command, but since now the balance has been extremely negative, as only 4 upgrade were done compared to more than 150 DEC...
And even DEC are not happy because there is no fleet transfer to Lang Haul....
Things must change in this company, or they will have aircraft on ground within next year.
The old fashioned way of giving more money to attract people doesn't work anymore, as F/O around the world are getting older....
So dear, management, make a little effort to make sure that pilots you have fooled in the past with false promises, will remain in the company ....
At least I admit this F
ing stupid rule is gone and hope it will never come back. Thankyou IW, and those who made it possible.Rgds, Babysandbox
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don't make things up without knowing the facts. 700 resignations is nothing more than BS.
last month = 8 pilot resignations, just under 40 Cabin Crew resignation / terminations. The numbers are NOT higher than that, Although the average in the Cabin Crew department generally hover around an average of 60 CC losses per month.
700 .. .. nice try 
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don't make things up without knowing the facts. 700 resignations is nothing more than BS.
last month = 8 pilot resignations, just under 40 Cabin Crew resignation / terminations. The numbers are NOT higher than that, Although the average in the Cabin Crew department generally hover around an average of 60 CC losses per month.
700 ..
.. nice try Poisoned by compromise
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Nice try???!??? I'm not trying anything and it's not even funny, it's reality.
Maybe Captain Crunch, it's you not having the right informations this time.....
Anyway, you have the right to doubt (as I also did when I got this numbers).
There's one thing that appear very clearly anyway: people are not showing up at interview, and even if this happen they will not come in Doha, at least not before giving a try in other reality of the gulf.
Ya,ya,ya, there's always somebody willing to work for peanuts, but the big bluff is over.
By the way can I have your opinion on the other points of my message?
Take care,
Babysandbox
Maybe Captain Crunch, it's you not having the right informations this time.....
Anyway, you have the right to doubt (as I also did when I got this numbers).
There's one thing that appear very clearly anyway: people are not showing up at interview, and even if this happen they will not come in Doha, at least not before giving a try in other reality of the gulf.
Ya,ya,ya, there's always somebody willing to work for peanuts, but the big bluff is over.
By the way can I have your opinion on the other points of my message?
Take care,
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after spending nearly a decade in this airline, YES i do have access to the exact numbers.
as for people not showing for interviews, this is nothing new. I can recall back around 2004 and after, people accepted and passed the interview, sent joining tickets and contracts did not show at the airport. some days it was a 100% no show. 18 people call for interview and only 2 show up, it's all nothing new mate. and we are still growing and still flying. How we do it, i'm not quite sure but the fact remains that due to the personal sacrifice of all of us the job gets done.. leave days taken away, I can recall years ago many of us did not get your annual leave at all. Spent many off days outside Doha, over time taken away, flying maximum hrs per year and per month.. the list goes on and on. we loose on yearly average of 4 pilots per month and 60 Cabin Crew per month (that is an actually yearly average).
we have almost 1500 pilots and just over 4700 Cabin Crew. I know for a fact officially we did NOT loose 700 last month… The myth is busted mate.
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Krunch
after spending nearly a decade in this airline, YES i do have access to the exact numbers.
as for people not showing for interviews, this is nothing new. I can recall back around 2004 and after, people accepted and passed the interview, sent joining tickets and contracts did not show at the airport. some days it was a 100% no show. 18 people call for interview and only 2 show up, it's all nothing new mate. and we are still growing and still flying. How we do it, i'm not quite sure but the fact remains that due to the personal sacrifice of all of us the job gets done.. leave days taken away, I can recall years ago many of us did not get your annual leave at all. Spent many off days outside Doha, over time taken away, flying maximum hrs per year and per month.. the list goes on and on. we loose on yearly average of 4 pilots per month and 60 Cabin Crew per month (that is an actually yearly average).
we have almost 1500 pilots and just over 4700 Cabin Crew. I know for a fact officially we did NOT loose 700 last month… The myth is busted mate.
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That is closer to a realistic number for QA.
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yes we do loose at a constant rate and seem to hire at an equally constant rate. This airline is definitely not for everyone. In actual fact it's not all bad, there is worse out there and there is better. It's really what you make of it and how tolerant / flexible you are. Everyone has their limits towards certain things and this airline tends to push some folks to those limits quite regularly.
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Krunch
That is closer to a realistic number for QA.
Aussie
yes we do loose at a constant rate and seem to hire at an equally constant rate. This airline is definitely not for everyone. In actual fact it's not all bad, there is worse out there and there is better. It's really what you make of it and how tolerant / flexible you are. Everyone has their limits towards certain things and this airline tends to push some folks to those limits quite regularly.
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Apologies...
I do have to apologize...
I reported a number, 700, that is not referred to last month. It's referred to the running figure of 2nd quarter 2010 taken at last august 15th.
I got this number from an office who deal with manpower and I did not investigate enough. This morning I did....
But the important thing is that the ratio between hired/resignation is, for the first time in years negative, and it will trend to stabilize this way for all this year.
The concern is that the company can afford for a while to increase manpower productivity, but it can't be the base for the expansion phase of next year..
I reported a number, 700, that is not referred to last month. It's referred to the running figure of 2nd quarter 2010 taken at last august 15th.
I got this number from an office who deal with manpower and I did not investigate enough. This morning I did....
But the important thing is that the ratio between hired/resignation is, for the first time in years negative, and it will trend to stabilize this way for all this year.
The concern is that the company can afford for a while to increase manpower productivity, but it can't be the base for the expansion phase of next year..
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I got this number from an office who deal with manpower and I did not investigate enough. This morning I did....
Babysandbox
Despite of, this is a rumour network, we would appreciate correct rumours
Babysandbox
Despite of, this is a rumour network, we would appreciate correct rumours
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A word to the wise:
Simply disappearing from any GCC country can have serious repercussions for pilots, particularly if you are planning on flying anywhere near the GCC again.
Vengeance and grudges, as we all know, can be held around here for years, and all it takes is a quick one-pager to the cops and your passport number / name are now on the "list".
Get a divert into the GCC at any point, especially the UAE, and you can bet your Gucci-designed trousers, that they will make your life a misery, and by that I mean jail-time while you are being "processed" for absconding!
Yes, stopping your entitlements is petty and small-minded. But suck it up as its far better than spending two-months in a cell with eleven other "criminals" somewhere between DXB and AUH.
I already know one individual on this forum who shall remain nameless but would be well able to tell you in detail about what a few days is like inside a GCC holding cell!
Remember also that wonderful employment criteria: the "unrestricted passport" - a big red "DENIED ENTRY" stamp in there ain't going to help, is it?
And if you think those things do not exist.....have a chat with some of the Filipino workers who got on the wrong side of the wastafarians, and who can no longer get employment within the GCC.
Farrell
Simply disappearing from any GCC country can have serious repercussions for pilots, particularly if you are planning on flying anywhere near the GCC again.
Vengeance and grudges, as we all know, can be held around here for years, and all it takes is a quick one-pager to the cops and your passport number / name are now on the "list".
Get a divert into the GCC at any point, especially the UAE, and you can bet your Gucci-designed trousers, that they will make your life a misery, and by that I mean jail-time while you are being "processed" for absconding!
Yes, stopping your entitlements is petty and small-minded. But suck it up as its far better than spending two-months in a cell with eleven other "criminals" somewhere between DXB and AUH.
I already know one individual on this forum who shall remain nameless but would be well able to tell you in detail about what a few days is like inside a GCC holding cell!
Remember also that wonderful employment criteria: the "unrestricted passport" - a big red "DENIED ENTRY" stamp in there ain't going to help, is it?
And if you think those things do not exist.....have a chat with some of the Filipino workers who got on the wrong side of the wastafarians, and who can no longer get employment within the GCC.
Farrell
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any idea how i can obtain a letter from QR stating my flight experience in the 320 to be stamped at the ministry of foreign affairs. i need it to legalize my logbook in southamerica.
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What about a number of QR guys who jumpship and work for many years in EK, EY GA......... ? Are they in jail ? I know few they are happy and not in jail .
I even know people who jumpship and at one point come back in QR with connections . But they left again lol
Yes to be on black list : name and passport number is required . Think what you need to do to avoid it .
QR losing people and only reason is small guy from Hyderabad . Very famues already .
I even know people who jumpship and at one point come back in QR with connections . But they left again lol
Yes to be on black list : name and passport number is required . Think what you need to do to avoid it .
QR losing people and only reason is small guy from Hyderabad . Very famues already .
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if you decide to leave and pay the bond how does it work ?
i believe on 777 it is a $50k over 2 years reducing but if you leave in the first year you pay the lot ??
if you join on the 330 on a CCQ it is a $15k over 1 year , but does that reduce over one year ??????????
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i believe on 777 it is a $50k over 2 years reducing but if you leave in the first year you pay the lot ??
if you join on the 330 on a CCQ it is a $15k over 1 year , but does that reduce over one year ??????????
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