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It's a disgrace that you are not paid for positioning. Additionally there is always a fight about meals, the dead headers are not counted for pax meals and not included in the crew meal count so there is an issue on each flight. Business class seats are not blocked for EY travel and economy seats are purchased when flying on other carriers. The best thing is to avoid the 330F until the mess is sorted out and if already qualified do what it takes to get the message across to management.
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Mathiew,
I think this was MXP you referring to and it has been resolved. That being said, there is major room for improvement for this A332Frighter ( spelled as intended)
The FCOM's don't match this aircraft either. It transfers fuel to trim tank during refuelling at 22 tons and not 36500kg's. So many things not matching.
It is empty with two pilots at 109600kg, but minimum for flight is 116 tons, so it must carry over 6 tons unusable fuel as ballast, but we have no brake fans to save weight
. That means there will be 6 tons that cannot be touched to legally hold when landing after a ferry. Is this considered tankering???
No idea who designed this or ordered this!
you don t get the same deal as the hotel contract is not the same!!!
The FCOM's don't match this aircraft either. It transfers fuel to trim tank during refuelling at 22 tons and not 36500kg's. So many things not matching.
It is empty with two pilots at 109600kg, but minimum for flight is 116 tons, so it must carry over 6 tons unusable fuel as ballast, but we have no brake fans to save weight
. That means there will be 6 tons that cannot be touched to legally hold when landing after a ferry. Is this considered tankering???No idea who designed this or ordered this!
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Still a ******* PIECE of S
Airbus -
Why the French start with this s in the first place?
They should concetrate in Wines and Cheese.
Commercial Planes should be Boeing!
No this CheapBUS Piece of crap
The A330-200F is a joke,and it's pregnant.LOL
Take a look at the FAT BUS A380. WTF is that? My god. Sorry Father they don't know what they are doing.
A330-200F operation in EY is a complete joke. I don't wanna fly this ****,with those fantastic Load masters .Look what they did with UPS B747-400F . cHEAp price = extra cheap quality.
Airbus - Why the French start with this s
in the first place?They should concetrate in Wines and Cheese.
Commercial Planes should be Boeing!
No this CheapBUS Piece of crap
The A330-200F is a joke,and it's pregnant.LOL
Take a look at the FAT BUS A380. WTF is that? My god. Sorry Father they don't know what they are doing.
A330-200F operation in EY is a complete joke. I don't wanna fly this ****,with those fantastic Load masters .Look what they did with UPS B747-400F . cHEAp price = extra cheap quality.
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dying breed
Yes, but they are a dying breed...surely. 
Now, speak to the new recruits and most of them will tell you that they are only planning a short stay here....hence maximising the HA with studio apartments and the likes in dubai. This can't be good.
Now, speak to the new recruits and most of them will tell you that they are only planning a short stay here....hence maximising the HA with studio apartments and the likes in dubai. This can't be good.
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Just a few curious questions from a beginner?
Hello everyone,
I have just applied for the EY International Cadet Program. I know it is very early to be asking questions, but I have taken the trouble of reading this forum from page 1 and got a little curious.
Will it really be that bad flying the 320s, which is most probably what the cadets are going to start with, I suppose.
I know as a beginner, this will be the best opportunity to be flying for EY and getting all the training free.
But can anybody please shed some light on the lifestyle of a typical 320 FO trained as a cadet.
I hope no one takes offence to my post, I'm merely being a little inquisitive and wanting to know a few things of what my life could be if I got selected.
Thanks a lot to all.
Best Regards,
Rahul Pereira
I have just applied for the EY International Cadet Program. I know it is very early to be asking questions, but I have taken the trouble of reading this forum from page 1 and got a little curious.
Will it really be that bad flying the 320s, which is most probably what the cadets are going to start with, I suppose.
I know as a beginner, this will be the best opportunity to be flying for EY and getting all the training free.
But can anybody please shed some light on the lifestyle of a typical 320 FO trained as a cadet.
I hope no one takes offence to my post, I'm merely being a little inquisitive and wanting to know a few things of what my life could be if I got selected.
Thanks a lot to all.
Best Regards,
Rahul Pereira
Rahul,
Its all about expectations, as a cadet or new hire you can expect to be doing a lot of short haul and bad hour flying, it's part of paying your dues. I did many years of short haul flying and accepted it as part of career progression, the issue now is that EY has been promising one thing and delivering another. If one accepted the job with the promise of flying wide bodies on a decent schedule and the after you are in they change your terms and conditions then you can understand the complaints. In my case I have been flying long haul, wide bodies for over ten years and if they decided they needed me on the 320 I would immediately resign. That was not my expectation nor was it the life style I signed up for. Fly Dubai does not have any of these issues as they recruited pilots who fully knew what they were getting onto and thus were not disappointed.
Regards,
NG
Its all about expectations, as a cadet or new hire you can expect to be doing a lot of short haul and bad hour flying, it's part of paying your dues. I did many years of short haul flying and accepted it as part of career progression, the issue now is that EY has been promising one thing and delivering another. If one accepted the job with the promise of flying wide bodies on a decent schedule and the after you are in they change your terms and conditions then you can understand the complaints. In my case I have been flying long haul, wide bodies for over ten years and if they decided they needed me on the 320 I would immediately resign. That was not my expectation nor was it the life style I signed up for. Fly Dubai does not have any of these issues as they recruited pilots who fully knew what they were getting onto and thus were not disappointed.
Regards,
NG
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Rahul,
The cadet program is a fantastic opportunity for somebody looking to break into aviation. Your first commercial aircraft will be a 320. Many of us had to spend years flying pistons and turboprops prior to getting the opportunity to fly a modern transport category aircraft. You would be one of the fortunate ones in this industry if you got the chance to join the cadet program. Go for it!
The people complaining on here about 320 life at EY are generally those with years in the industry and they probably came from a region where you can have a very decent lifestyle on narrowbody aircraft. Quite a few airlines offer 14-18 days off per month with 80+ hours of flying in an average narrowbody roster. Coming to EY where you get 8 days off and an extremely fatiguing mix of night and day patterns can be a shock to the system for somebody with 5,000-14,000 hours of flight time with previous companies. I'm guessing most of these individuals assumed they were finished with this type of flying. They probably came to EY thinking they would enjoy quick advancement and the luxuries that come with working for a well funded national carrier. Instead they found a hard working, low cost operation with slower than expected career progression.
The cadet program is a fantastic opportunity for somebody looking to break into aviation. Your first commercial aircraft will be a 320. Many of us had to spend years flying pistons and turboprops prior to getting the opportunity to fly a modern transport category aircraft. You would be one of the fortunate ones in this industry if you got the chance to join the cadet program. Go for it!
The people complaining on here about 320 life at EY are generally those with years in the industry and they probably came from a region where you can have a very decent lifestyle on narrowbody aircraft. Quite a few airlines offer 14-18 days off per month with 80+ hours of flying in an average narrowbody roster. Coming to EY where you get 8 days off and an extremely fatiguing mix of night and day patterns can be a shock to the system for somebody with 5,000-14,000 hours of flight time with previous companies. I'm guessing most of these individuals assumed they were finished with this type of flying. They probably came to EY thinking they would enjoy quick advancement and the luxuries that come with working for a well funded national carrier. Instead they found a hard working, low cost operation with slower than expected career progression.
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@ NG Kaptain & Laker
Thank you very much for both your replies, I have definitely understood what the issue with EY is .........
But yes I am definitely looking forward and very excited for the cadet program. Just waiting for an interview date........
I sincerely hope all goes well at the higher level and all of you do get what you were promised.
Thanks once again....
Happy Flying to all of you...
Best Regards,
Rahul
But yes I am definitely looking forward and very excited for the cadet program. Just waiting for an interview date........
I sincerely hope all goes well at the higher level and all of you do get what you were promised.
Thanks once again....
Happy Flying to all of you...
Best Regards,
Rahul
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If one accepted the job with the promise of flying wide bodies on a decent schedule and the after you are in they change your terms and conditions then you can understand the complaints. In my case I have been flying long haul, wide bodies for over ten years
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I wanted to know if all of those who applied for the cadet scheme have joined a photo and a cover letter ??
Is it mandatory to write a cover letter at this point of the selection ??
I'm just wondering whether they'll read it actually ...
Is it mandatory to write a cover letter at this point of the selection ??
I'm just wondering whether they'll read it actually ...
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From the Gulf News today, 11000 pilots needed in the Middle-East
Dubai: A batch of Emirati students on Tuesday graduated from the Emirates Airline National Cadet Pilot Programme. The 46 new high-fliers take the programme's total graduates over the years to 180.
Shaikh Ahmad Bin Saeed Al Maktoum, President of Dubai Civil Aviation Authority and Chairman and Chief Executive of Emirates Airline and Group, presented the graduation certificates and said that the group, under the government, was working to bring more UAE nationals not only to the flight deck but to all levels of the company including management.
"Because of the number of aircraft that we are receiving on average — this year we will have about 18 aircraft — there is an ongoing requirement for Emiratis now and in the future," Shaikh Ahmad said to reporters at the graduation ceremony. "The requirement is there for the new fleet. So we will be able to absorb a big number to come," he said.
The programme involves an expenditure of at least Dh1 million per student during the four-year course, which takes them to train in places including Australia and Spain. Captain Abdullah Al Hammadi, National Cadet Pilot Manager, said due to high demand the programme was willing to accept many candidates.
New orders
"This region, the Middle East, will require 11,000 pilots by 2020, taking into consideration the new aircraft on order.
"If we take 150 [candidates] every year, we will not reach this target," he said. Due to the battery of tests that candidates must undergo, including psychological and health tests, the graduation rate is only about 10 per cent.
Graduate Hamed Bilal Al Shehi said: "It's hard work but you learn a lot.
"You only get this opportunity once in a lifetime," he said. "They want Emiratis to take over [most of the jobs in] the airline eventually."
The pilot programme includes courses in English and aviation science in Dubai over about 12 months. Cadets then spend a year in Australia, as well as a new training centre in Spain.
In the third phase of the programme, spread over six months, the cadets train on flight simulators at the Emirates Training College in Dubai.
That is a lot of pilots that are needed, so they better start looking after them now
Shaikh Ahmad Bin Saeed Al Maktoum, President of Dubai Civil Aviation Authority and Chairman and Chief Executive of Emirates Airline and Group, presented the graduation certificates and said that the group, under the government, was working to bring more UAE nationals not only to the flight deck but to all levels of the company including management.
"Because of the number of aircraft that we are receiving on average — this year we will have about 18 aircraft — there is an ongoing requirement for Emiratis now and in the future," Shaikh Ahmad said to reporters at the graduation ceremony. "The requirement is there for the new fleet. So we will be able to absorb a big number to come," he said.
The programme involves an expenditure of at least Dh1 million per student during the four-year course, which takes them to train in places including Australia and Spain. Captain Abdullah Al Hammadi, National Cadet Pilot Manager, said due to high demand the programme was willing to accept many candidates.
New orders
"This region, the Middle East, will require 11,000 pilots by 2020, taking into consideration the new aircraft on order.
"If we take 150 [candidates] every year, we will not reach this target," he said. Due to the battery of tests that candidates must undergo, including psychological and health tests, the graduation rate is only about 10 per cent.
Graduate Hamed Bilal Al Shehi said: "It's hard work but you learn a lot.
"You only get this opportunity once in a lifetime," he said. "They want Emiratis to take over [most of the jobs in] the airline eventually."
The pilot programme includes courses in English and aviation science in Dubai over about 12 months. Cadets then spend a year in Australia, as well as a new training centre in Spain.
In the third phase of the programme, spread over six months, the cadets train on flight simulators at the Emirates Training College in Dubai.
That is a lot of pilots that are needed, so they better start looking after them now
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Well , obviously the last roadshow seems to reinforce the idea the management does not care too much about the pilots side.
Interesting when you see that around 40 + of them are having some financial issue with real estate problems ... that the A320 sector is on the edge of hypoxia...
Wait and see... but when an ECAM caution is triggered and 'company pilots' are still disregarding it, it a situation of unwareness of the problems!!!
Interesting when you see that around 40 + of them are having some financial issue with real estate problems ... that the A320 sector is on the edge of hypoxia...
Wait and see... but when an ECAM caution is triggered and 'company pilots' are still disregarding it, it a situation of unwareness of the problems!!!
