No fatigue at EK...no, no, no, no.
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There has been no such OFFICIAL E-Mail or Memo to Cabin Crew informing us that we cannot call sick based on Fatigue ! This is just another tactic /deterrent to avoid Crew from Calling Sick.
411A ...very immature sir ! Maybe its the Arizona heat ...or maybe its just you..either ways..VERY IMMATURE!
411A ...very immature sir ! Maybe its the Arizona heat ...or maybe its just you..either ways..VERY IMMATURE!
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One small, itty bitty problem with your post:
If you're the FD and you know the crew are not fit to fly, you can't let them! Because if anything goes wrong, you'll be in the $h!T. And don't expect any EK management to stand in the way of the law when it bears down on you from way up high.
The theory is great, but in practise, 411A doesn't appear to have lived in the modern litigation led society!
H-D
One small, itty bitty problem with your post:
If you're the FD and you know the crew are not fit to fly, you can't let them! Because if anything goes wrong, you'll be in the $h!T. And don't expect any EK management to stand in the way of the law when it bears down on you from way up high.
The theory is great, but in practise, 411A doesn't appear to have lived in the modern litigation led society!
H-D
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Helen, I agree in general BUT when the girls sign on, they've "declared" they're fit just like we have; no decision is generally required to be made by the capt.
Yes, if they subsequently inform the capt they're unfit, they should be stood down but any good purser should already be headed down that path by the time the capt hears about it.
On the other hand, you might not even hear about it. The purser often takes care of it, just as Billy-Bob has pointed out.
Amen brother. (Or sister??)
Yes, if they subsequently inform the capt they're unfit, they should be stood down but any good purser should already be headed down that path by the time the capt hears about it.
On the other hand, you might not even hear about it. The purser often takes care of it, just as Billy-Bob has pointed out.
And don't expect any EK management to stand in the way of the law when it bears down on you....
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Fatigue...an issue for cockpit and CC. Realistically, the only way cockpit crew can assure CC proper rest is to insist upon proper layover facilities and time in bed enroute. Before starting a pairing, the Captain must assume the company, and CC Boss (IFS), has control, and will insist upon a properly rested crew. How can it be otherwise? Be realistic. CC must deal directly with the company, and the CC Supervisors, and their managers, before first leg. After that, at enroute facilities, the Captain can, if he/she is competent, maintain a minimum of rest for cockpit and CC. Sam
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I spoke to the guy who handles the CHFR's recently to ask how things were coming along. While the number of reports are up on last year, there are still not nearly enough coming in to make a significant difference to rostering practices. Apart from some personal issues, the only other real issue being reported is fatigue, from both CC and pilots. There's a problem alright but the number of reports don't reflect the reality.
If people spent just half the time filing these type of reports as well as ASR's, instead of whinging on here, maybe something could be done about it.
Don't rely on others to effect change. Do it yourself!
Harry
If people spent just half the time filing these type of reports as well as ASR's, instead of whinging on here, maybe something could be done about it.
Don't rely on others to effect change. Do it yourself!
Harry
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Hear, hear Harry.
As I say to anyone who brings up this issue on the line - I agree it's a problem but it's no good bleating about it if you're not prepared to file a report.
Get an ASR or CHFR into the system or stop moaning!
As I say to anyone who brings up this issue on the line - I agree it's a problem but it's no good bleating about it if you're not prepared to file a report.
Get an ASR or CHFR into the system or stop moaning!
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If people spent just half the time filing these type of reports as well as ASR's, instead of whinging on here, maybe something could be done about it.
Don't rely on others to effect change. Do it yourself!
Don't rely on others to effect change. Do it yourself!
However...moaning is a known PPRuNe modus operandi.
Non-productive, at best.
NB.
At our small aircarrier, the Commander assures proper rest, and will delay the flight until this is assured.
No objection from the head shed, either.
