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It would require a serious bit of tool, to create a plane with a weight over 27 tons. If, however, you're talking about air- or even aeroplanes then, yes, I may be of help:
Anything built by Boeing
Anything built by Airbus
Anything currently built by Bombardier
Nothing built by Cessna
Nothing built by Piper
Nothing built by Beechcraft
Alternatively, there's a thing called 'Google' - you may want to give it a whirl.
Anything built by Boeing
Anything built by Airbus
Anything currently built by Bombardier
Nothing built by Cessna
Nothing built by Piper
Nothing built by Beechcraft
Alternatively, there's a thing called 'Google' - you may want to give it a whirl.
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Turkish Airlines info please?
Can anyone enlighten me on the B777 rosters and general quality of life for a B777 PIC at Turkish? I am looking to leave the Gulf region after 6 years here, the rosters these days are insane. I live in Europe (well, that's where I'd like to live) and wonder if it is commutable to central Europe working out of Istanbul.
Of course every airline has good and bad points and the good outweighs the bad here at the airline I am at presently with; great people, great airplanes and top maintenance, good pay, reasonable benefits, etc, but the rosters are insane and all that other things don't matter anymore when all you do is eat-sleep-fly. And repeat. "Factoring" the flight hours (considering only those at the controls and not those in the bunk! as if my body can tell the difference!) is a very creative way to "stretch the rubber" band in amazing ways, but 130 to 150 hours spent in the "aluminum tube" every month begins to take it's toll. I've heard Turkish does not "Factor" the flying hours and I'd be happy to work a sane schedule for less money if all else is reasonable.
Any info appreciated in PM. Thanks in advance.
Of course every airline has good and bad points and the good outweighs the bad here at the airline I am at presently with; great people, great airplanes and top maintenance, good pay, reasonable benefits, etc, but the rosters are insane and all that other things don't matter anymore when all you do is eat-sleep-fly. And repeat. "Factoring" the flight hours (considering only those at the controls and not those in the bunk! as if my body can tell the difference!) is a very creative way to "stretch the rubber" band in amazing ways, but 130 to 150 hours spent in the "aluminum tube" every month begins to take it's toll. I've heard Turkish does not "Factor" the flying hours and I'd be happy to work a sane schedule for less money if all else is reasonable.
Any info appreciated in PM. Thanks in advance.
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Can anyone enlighten me on the B777 rosters and general quality of life for a B777 PIC at Turkish? I am looking to leave the Gulf region after 6 years here, the rosters these days are insane. I live in Europe (well, that's where I'd like to live) and wonder if it is commutable to central Europe working out of Istanbul.
Of course every airline has good and bad points and the good outweighs the bad here at the airline I am at presently with; great people, great airplanes and top maintenance, good pay, reasonable benefits, etc, but the rosters are insane and all that other things don't matter anymore when all you do is eat-sleep-fly. And repeat. "Factoring" the flight hours (considering only those at the controls and not those in the bunk! as if my body can tell the difference!) is a very creative way to "stretch the rubber" band in amazing ways, but 130 to 150 hours spent in the "aluminum tube" every month begins to take it's toll. I've heard Turkish does not "Factor" the flying hours and I'd be happy to work a sane schedule for less money if all else is reasonable.
Any info appreciated in PM. Thanks in advance.
Of course every airline has good and bad points and the good outweighs the bad here at the airline I am at presently with; great people, great airplanes and top maintenance, good pay, reasonable benefits, etc, but the rosters are insane and all that other things don't matter anymore when all you do is eat-sleep-fly. And repeat. "Factoring" the flight hours (considering only those at the controls and not those in the bunk! as if my body can tell the difference!) is a very creative way to "stretch the rubber" band in amazing ways, but 130 to 150 hours spent in the "aluminum tube" every month begins to take it's toll. I've heard Turkish does not "Factor" the flying hours and I'd be happy to work a sane schedule for less money if all else is reasonable.
Any info appreciated in PM. Thanks in advance.
* 777 has the best roster of Turkish
* commuting roster
* 9 consecutive block days off
* 70-80 hrs a month
* 2 confirmed tickets every month paid by company
* 2000 tl housing allowance or Hyatt hotel
* layovers most 24 hrs
* nice destinations
Good luck
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I am a FO on the A330, but I can help you as far as I can with your questions.
* 777 has the best roster of Turkish
* commuting roster
* 9 consecutive block days off
* 70-80 hrs a month
* 2 confirmed tickets every month paid by company
* 2000 tl housing allowance or Hyatt hotel
* layovers most 24 hrs
* nice destinations
Good luck
* 777 has the best roster of Turkish
* commuting roster
* 9 consecutive block days off
* 70-80 hrs a month
* 2 confirmed tickets every month paid by company
* 2000 tl housing allowance or Hyatt hotel
* layovers most 24 hrs
* nice destinations
Good luck
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Hello
Can any one tell me how is the A330 FO job at Turkish Airlines?
How much is the salary in Dollars?
Layovers?
How many hours are first officers flying every month?
Working conditions at Turkish Airlines?
Also is it true that if you live in Turkey you get the nationality in 5 years?
Thanks and regards
Can any one tell me how is the A330 FO job at Turkish Airlines?
How much is the salary in Dollars?
Layovers?
How many hours are first officers flying every month?
Working conditions at Turkish Airlines?
Also is it true that if you live in Turkey you get the nationality in 5 years?
Thanks and regards
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Being an A330 F/O is not an easy job to do in THY. Especially about elder captains. I can handle it just because i am Turkish and i am very used to such kind of behaviors of elders in my country. But it'll not be so easy for an expat.
the salary is about 20k Turkish liras. equals to almost 5K $.
Layover periods and hotels are good except india and africa destinations.
its not stable, unfortunately, to talk about an average. average is 50-60 winter time, 70-90 summer time. ( but for this summer they are talking about +90 due to pilot shortage.)
Nobody cares about you, you are just an id number and slave. Don't talk don't complain just fly as much as your physiology let you.
Are you sure about having Turkish nationality?? which has nothing to do in almost %95 countries in world except Arabian peninsula!
as a conclusion, go to somewhere else.. ( which i will do also )
regards.
the salary is about 20k Turkish liras. equals to almost 5K $.
Layover periods and hotels are good except india and africa destinations.
its not stable, unfortunately, to talk about an average. average is 50-60 winter time, 70-90 summer time. ( but for this summer they are talking about +90 due to pilot shortage.)
Nobody cares about you, you are just an id number and slave. Don't talk don't complain just fly as much as your physiology let you.
Are you sure about having Turkish nationality?? which has nothing to do in almost %95 countries in world except Arabian peninsula!
as a conclusion, go to somewhere else.. ( which i will do also )
regards.
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UdD;
God 5 K dollars is very less salary , this is the salary i am taking home in my home country which is a third world country . I am an expert when it comes to flying with oldies , no one does it better than me. How many layovers are in Europe of A330 ? The salary disappoints me but turkish nationality for me is better than my countries. You seem very sad.
God 5 K dollars is very less salary , this is the salary i am taking home in my home country which is a third world country . I am an expert when it comes to flying with oldies , no one does it better than me. How many layovers are in Europe of A330 ? The salary disappoints me but turkish nationality for me is better than my countries. You seem very sad.
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No layovers on A330 IN EUROPE;
The layovers are in USA, Asia or Africa.
I would not think about safety as an issue in Turkey nowadays, at least not more than any other countries; the main hitch in THY for expats is the fact that salaries are paid in TL which remains an extremely volatile currency.
2years ago you could get 1 euro with 3.30 tl and a A330 CAPTAIN was able to bring 10000 euros on a normal month, 120000 euros on a month with bonus .
today you need 4.90 tl to get one euro and salary increase did not compensate their local inflation. As a result, a large number of captains left the thy boat.
Nowadays, this company is made of a majority of thy pilots who can be extremely kind if you are honest with them. I do believe they can do better that they do nowadays in a lot of sectors but a significant progression occured over the last decade in the training department .
With their ambitious project ( new airport, 40 A350,etc) THY has to show the world they can attract more expats to cooperate and make the most of this airline.
The layovers are in USA, Asia or Africa.
I would not think about safety as an issue in Turkey nowadays, at least not more than any other countries; the main hitch in THY for expats is the fact that salaries are paid in TL which remains an extremely volatile currency.
2years ago you could get 1 euro with 3.30 tl and a A330 CAPTAIN was able to bring 10000 euros on a normal month, 120000 euros on a month with bonus .
today you need 4.90 tl to get one euro and salary increase did not compensate their local inflation. As a result, a large number of captains left the thy boat.
Nowadays, this company is made of a majority of thy pilots who can be extremely kind if you are honest with them. I do believe they can do better that they do nowadays in a lot of sectors but a significant progression occured over the last decade in the training department .
With their ambitious project ( new airport, 40 A350,etc) THY has to show the world they can attract more expats to cooperate and make the most of this airline.
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Will you see a lot of refugees in Istanbul though? Hell yes. Just like in Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy etcetera etcetera. It is a huge city that attracts all kind of people. Good and bad.
The locals complain more about the country’s politics than they do about something else. For them that’s the real danger.
For anyone considering moving to İstanbul: please understand that it can be tough to live/work there. Do not get me wrong it really is a beautiful and interesting place but living there is a whole other thing. Which makes it a love/hate story for a lot of people. Students, workers, daydreamers... Istanbul is actually a very big factor to consider as potential future employee of Turkish. (For many a huge negative factor).
In this city the flame can jump into the pan very quickly for expats and it can become very unpleasant. (Can you imagine the problems locals experience and just make that x2 for expats). Even though it is full with tourists and they are used to foreigners please understand that they can still be very intolerant to an outsider. Consider traffic rants, dealing with cab drivers, bureaucracy and all those things.
Something else to consider: To buy a car it is damn expensive. To own one and keep up with the gasoline is damn expensive. To use the public transportation is a problem. To deal with those cabdrivers: likewise.
I just wanted to share some things that can only be told and said by someone who actually lived there and knows the culture. As people will share mostly something about the company itself I wanted to pass on my knowledge about the city.
Mind you I am not trying to avoid someone from getting in. On the contrary, if you feel good about it go and try it for a couple of years. You will for sure have amazing moments and experiences in Istanbul and it is just a matter of having more positive sides than the negative. You just have to go with the flow and dynamics of İstanbul.
Cheers,
LW
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THY update really situation
Dear Friends Turkey is overall a safe place as most of the EU Countries.
THY actually is not a friendly environment because of the Management and T&C.
The rate of 1EURO = 4.90TL make your salaries less then African Low Cost Airlines.
We established a new Union called HAVASEN in order to discuss with the management the issue about FTL and Salaries and as result they are trying right now to Fire 100 Commander from all fleets and some Cabin Chiefs in order to make terror to all crew Union members in clear violations of human rights.
A lot of flight are canceled because of pilot shortages in this last 6 month but is looking they don’t care.
Almost 600 pilot Turkish national have tried to leave the Company on last December 2017 but the DGCA stop their license. They cannot flight for nobody except for THY. On 2017 due to economic and security situation we lost almost 900 expat Pilots.
Operationally wise the situation in dramatic right now and the Company creates own FTL then can push the crew to fly up to 9 consecutive days and push the daily duty limits up to 15:30 hours with a lots of excuses.
In the last 5 months apply only 3 pilot where are coming 2 from Iran and 1 from Pakistan.
Those are fact!
THY actually is not a friendly environment because of the Management and T&C.
The rate of 1EURO = 4.90TL make your salaries less then African Low Cost Airlines.
We established a new Union called HAVASEN in order to discuss with the management the issue about FTL and Salaries and as result they are trying right now to Fire 100 Commander from all fleets and some Cabin Chiefs in order to make terror to all crew Union members in clear violations of human rights.
A lot of flight are canceled because of pilot shortages in this last 6 month but is looking they don’t care.
Almost 600 pilot Turkish national have tried to leave the Company on last December 2017 but the DGCA stop their license. They cannot flight for nobody except for THY. On 2017 due to economic and security situation we lost almost 900 expat Pilots.
Operationally wise the situation in dramatic right now and the Company creates own FTL then can push the crew to fly up to 9 consecutive days and push the daily duty limits up to 15:30 hours with a lots of excuses.
In the last 5 months apply only 3 pilot where are coming 2 from Iran and 1 from Pakistan.
Those are fact!
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4 years in Thy- Here is how it was and why I left
Upon Joining in 2013:
- Money was quite good considerating the real commuting contract.(possible to go home in the 3 weeks on)
July 2013 Cpt LH Basic money was 22.000 TL divided by 2,56 was 8.500 € + Bonus every 3 months and 80 hrs (10 hrs above 70 hrs contract) gave an average of 10.500 € up to 11.000 € after taxes.
- Extra Appartment money was 2.000 TL (780$) or accommodation in great Titanic hotel payed by Thy .
- Flight time /Duty time was quite good. It allowed the Airline to make you fly up to 90 hours and at the same time have decent rest times to go home in between your 3 weeks on / 1 week off (actually 9 days off)
- Rest time were excluded from the Off days which meant that you could have sometimes more than 9 days !
- We had reserve day with require to call the day before at 5PM to know if there was a duty the next day . Great for expat flying to home in between duties as they could some times stay one more day at home! Sometimes 3 nights home in the On period!!
- 4 pilots for duties like Kabul (go and back) or Pvg (2 days layover) Fru Ist followed by 48 hours rest
- Some nice 2 days layover in nice hotels in Jakarta, Capetown always followed by 48 hrs rest time etc…
- Maximum 6 days duty in a row and NO double duty on the same day.
Well …Foreign Pilots rushed to Turkish Airlines. We were more than 1.000 !
Then there was the very terrible 2016 year with the « Coup « and terrorist attacks in Turkey and Istanbul airport.
All employee understood the hard situation of the Country and Turkish Airlines, expressing their good will, accepting lower salaries until situation stabilizes.
Unfortunately for us (see below) , great CEO Temel Kotil left (was requested to leave?) and a new Management put in place , ready to smash all employee working conditions.
In 2017 (4 years later):
- July 2017 Cpt LH Basic Money was 32.200 TL divided by 4,16 is 7.700 € +Bonus every 3 months and NO overtime (you fly 69Hrs59 min and they **** up your roster if you have overtime). Average is below 9.000 € all included on a 3 months basis.
You are payed on the 8th. Curiously exchange rate is always decreasing the days before. It is very frustrating.Just check if you don’t believe me.
Salary is adjusted every 6 months but below the official inflation.
Every month salary is going down as they pay all employee in TL while they are making huge money in Usd or €.
In the same time all your costs are based on Usd/€. Even for Turkish people as they import everything.Id 90 tickets and even training bonds or Flight academy for younger pilots is due in €/Usd. So their amount due is never going down !!
- Extra Appartment money is still at 2.000 TL (became 400 €) or Hyatt Hotel 5 stars but very bad location. We,expats, got the order to move to another hotel in 1 email sent 30/12/16 for 1/1/17 without any consideration of what we like and where we feel good. After enquiry with hotel managers, Thy moved foreign pilots from Titanic to Hyatt for a 10 TL difference a night (2 €). Yes!!
In this 4 years of time , renting an appartment became also much more expensive
- They implemented an insane new Flight Time /Duty time (except for 777 pilots, the winners) which allows them to force you destroying your health
Example: With 3 pilots,You can go now upto 17 hrs + 3 hrs (extension you are expected to accept) equal 20 hrs of duty !!!. So the Pvg Fru Ist becomes possible with 3 pilots ! and forget the 48 hrs min rest times as you spend only 24 hrs in PVG (instead of 48 hrs in PV. SO ….no jet lag considered in FTDT. So ….minimum rest
Same for Kabul (difficult and sensible place ) become with 3 pilots with a mandatory resting inflight patterns of 1H30 each. Stupid and dangerous as all pilots are dead tired upon landing in Istanbul after 15 hrs duty. Forget the 48 hours rest times.
Back from 11 hrs Cape Town at 5am loc time you have a Stby to fly again the same night
Back from 7 hrs Nairobi flight at 4am loc, you get a Stby the same evening from 10pm!!!
- After each flight you become Home Stby so your are stuck in Istanbul. Forget to go home, it is impossible. You belong to the Airline and they can do what they want with you. You are just nothing than a register number having his Turkish Phone mandatory open even in your rest times . You get notifications from Planning department that are considered as accepted as soon as you read it
- Of course, you can never make a request for a flight. Flight distribution is a secret. Hold by HR only . Even Flight Operations have nothing to say to HR .
But I , personally,have never been to Havana, Mauritius, Seychelles or Bogota, more than 2 years without Usa flights.
Kabul , Pakistan and Middle East were my usual flights.
- Cutting money from your salary is probably the fastest reaction they have. Everything is a reason to cut your money.
As you are permanently in stby, if you don’t answer 2 times your phone, you get cuts. Sick abroad? No way you are cut. Then sometimes you may get the money back if writing to your « delegated » assistant fleet manager who ,now, even doesn’t reply any more (because he is also demotivated and doesn’t get any "Office time" any more to reply to his pilots)
- Of course when you get annual leave , they make you fly the 70 hrs due in 2 weeks. It shows there is no good will from them to improve your expat schedule.
- Regularly, we received Text messages from Thy: « Dear esteemed (!!!!!) Captains, we are short of pilots…please accept requests from relevants units… » and at the same time they make them go away from Thy. Hard to understand isn’t it?
- 90% of Long Haul flights are night flights. Most of ER Departures are around 2 AM and arrivals around 5 AM. This very tiring and totally different from other Majors were one of the flight is a day flight. But Thy don’t take into consideration night duties. Only Jet lag if more than 48 hours. Then you are acclimatized …and you get 2 , 3 or 4 local nights…..that they can now, with new FTDT ,put in your regular off days! Well , the Job is exhausting.
- 9 days duty in a row, double duty in the same day. Example you can fly 9 times early or night flight in a row waking up at 3 am . No problem
- The 9 days off became actually 7 days as your tight schedules make it impossible to go home on the 21 st day and you get a duty on the 1 st day around 1 am …. So you have to travel early in your last day off….to have the minimum "12 hrs at Istanbul before a flight rule" they implemented.
- Hotel quality and locations changed drastically . eg: Sanghri La in downtown Jakarta became airport hotel. Southern sun waterfront hotel in Cape town became low class Protea hotel in an unsafe place. Radisson Blue in downtown Manhattan became Long Island Marriott at 1hr from Manhattan then low class Row Hotel in Manhattan.
As hotel locations are unsafe, we got a note that crews are not supposed to walk out of hotels !
Crash in Kathmandou is already forgotten. And this is the REAL problem.
They talk about Flight Safety every day but do not respect their pilots and their real responsibilities .
Atmosphère in the working environment became very bad.
New Airport located 1H30 from Istanbul will open on 29th October.
There is no train, no highway, no hotels right now.
While they expect thousands of employee will move there.
Nothing seems to be prepared. No message , no explanation . Nothing
It will be a huge mess as they want to transfer all Thy operations in 2 days
The main issue for management is to kill the new Official Union Hava-Sen that collected more than 4.000 applications in a few weeks.
Mainly Pilots but also a few cabin crew members .
The only way they found is to fire 2 Captains and 5 cabin crew to spread terror.
While, in the mean time ,Thy made huge profits
All this is true according to my personal experience on A 330/340
It ’s became a Hell.
And I don’t talk about 737 and 320 fleets where the new FTDT is worse and definitely killing them .
- Money was quite good considerating the real commuting contract.(possible to go home in the 3 weeks on)
July 2013 Cpt LH Basic money was 22.000 TL divided by 2,56 was 8.500 € + Bonus every 3 months and 80 hrs (10 hrs above 70 hrs contract) gave an average of 10.500 € up to 11.000 € after taxes.
- Extra Appartment money was 2.000 TL (780$) or accommodation in great Titanic hotel payed by Thy .
- Flight time /Duty time was quite good. It allowed the Airline to make you fly up to 90 hours and at the same time have decent rest times to go home in between your 3 weeks on / 1 week off (actually 9 days off)
- Rest time were excluded from the Off days which meant that you could have sometimes more than 9 days !
- We had reserve day with require to call the day before at 5PM to know if there was a duty the next day . Great for expat flying to home in between duties as they could some times stay one more day at home! Sometimes 3 nights home in the On period!!
- 4 pilots for duties like Kabul (go and back) or Pvg (2 days layover) Fru Ist followed by 48 hours rest
- Some nice 2 days layover in nice hotels in Jakarta, Capetown always followed by 48 hrs rest time etc…
- Maximum 6 days duty in a row and NO double duty on the same day.
Well …Foreign Pilots rushed to Turkish Airlines. We were more than 1.000 !
Then there was the very terrible 2016 year with the « Coup « and terrorist attacks in Turkey and Istanbul airport.
All employee understood the hard situation of the Country and Turkish Airlines, expressing their good will, accepting lower salaries until situation stabilizes.
Unfortunately for us (see below) , great CEO Temel Kotil left (was requested to leave?) and a new Management put in place , ready to smash all employee working conditions.
In 2017 (4 years later):
- July 2017 Cpt LH Basic Money was 32.200 TL divided by 4,16 is 7.700 € +Bonus every 3 months and NO overtime (you fly 69Hrs59 min and they **** up your roster if you have overtime). Average is below 9.000 € all included on a 3 months basis.
You are payed on the 8th. Curiously exchange rate is always decreasing the days before. It is very frustrating.Just check if you don’t believe me.
Salary is adjusted every 6 months but below the official inflation.
Every month salary is going down as they pay all employee in TL while they are making huge money in Usd or €.
In the same time all your costs are based on Usd/€. Even for Turkish people as they import everything.Id 90 tickets and even training bonds or Flight academy for younger pilots is due in €/Usd. So their amount due is never going down !!
- Extra Appartment money is still at 2.000 TL (became 400 €) or Hyatt Hotel 5 stars but very bad location. We,expats, got the order to move to another hotel in 1 email sent 30/12/16 for 1/1/17 without any consideration of what we like and where we feel good. After enquiry with hotel managers, Thy moved foreign pilots from Titanic to Hyatt for a 10 TL difference a night (2 €). Yes!!
In this 4 years of time , renting an appartment became also much more expensive
- They implemented an insane new Flight Time /Duty time (except for 777 pilots, the winners) which allows them to force you destroying your health
Example: With 3 pilots,You can go now upto 17 hrs + 3 hrs (extension you are expected to accept) equal 20 hrs of duty !!!. So the Pvg Fru Ist becomes possible with 3 pilots ! and forget the 48 hrs min rest times as you spend only 24 hrs in PVG (instead of 48 hrs in PV. SO ….no jet lag considered in FTDT. So ….minimum rest
Same for Kabul (difficult and sensible place ) become with 3 pilots with a mandatory resting inflight patterns of 1H30 each. Stupid and dangerous as all pilots are dead tired upon landing in Istanbul after 15 hrs duty. Forget the 48 hours rest times.
Back from 11 hrs Cape Town at 5am loc time you have a Stby to fly again the same night
Back from 7 hrs Nairobi flight at 4am loc, you get a Stby the same evening from 10pm!!!
- After each flight you become Home Stby so your are stuck in Istanbul. Forget to go home, it is impossible. You belong to the Airline and they can do what they want with you. You are just nothing than a register number having his Turkish Phone mandatory open even in your rest times . You get notifications from Planning department that are considered as accepted as soon as you read it
- Of course, you can never make a request for a flight. Flight distribution is a secret. Hold by HR only . Even Flight Operations have nothing to say to HR .
But I , personally,have never been to Havana, Mauritius, Seychelles or Bogota, more than 2 years without Usa flights.
Kabul , Pakistan and Middle East were my usual flights.
- Cutting money from your salary is probably the fastest reaction they have. Everything is a reason to cut your money.
As you are permanently in stby, if you don’t answer 2 times your phone, you get cuts. Sick abroad? No way you are cut. Then sometimes you may get the money back if writing to your « delegated » assistant fleet manager who ,now, even doesn’t reply any more (because he is also demotivated and doesn’t get any "Office time" any more to reply to his pilots)
- Of course when you get annual leave , they make you fly the 70 hrs due in 2 weeks. It shows there is no good will from them to improve your expat schedule.
- Regularly, we received Text messages from Thy: « Dear esteemed (!!!!!) Captains, we are short of pilots…please accept requests from relevants units… » and at the same time they make them go away from Thy. Hard to understand isn’t it?
- 90% of Long Haul flights are night flights. Most of ER Departures are around 2 AM and arrivals around 5 AM. This very tiring and totally different from other Majors were one of the flight is a day flight. But Thy don’t take into consideration night duties. Only Jet lag if more than 48 hours. Then you are acclimatized …and you get 2 , 3 or 4 local nights…..that they can now, with new FTDT ,put in your regular off days! Well , the Job is exhausting.
- 9 days duty in a row, double duty in the same day. Example you can fly 9 times early or night flight in a row waking up at 3 am . No problem
- The 9 days off became actually 7 days as your tight schedules make it impossible to go home on the 21 st day and you get a duty on the 1 st day around 1 am …. So you have to travel early in your last day off….to have the minimum "12 hrs at Istanbul before a flight rule" they implemented.
- Hotel quality and locations changed drastically . eg: Sanghri La in downtown Jakarta became airport hotel. Southern sun waterfront hotel in Cape town became low class Protea hotel in an unsafe place. Radisson Blue in downtown Manhattan became Long Island Marriott at 1hr from Manhattan then low class Row Hotel in Manhattan.
As hotel locations are unsafe, we got a note that crews are not supposed to walk out of hotels !
Crash in Kathmandou is already forgotten. And this is the REAL problem.
They talk about Flight Safety every day but do not respect their pilots and their real responsibilities .
Atmosphère in the working environment became very bad.
New Airport located 1H30 from Istanbul will open on 29th October.
There is no train, no highway, no hotels right now.
While they expect thousands of employee will move there.
Nothing seems to be prepared. No message , no explanation . Nothing
It will be a huge mess as they want to transfer all Thy operations in 2 days
The main issue for management is to kill the new Official Union Hava-Sen that collected more than 4.000 applications in a few weeks.
Mainly Pilots but also a few cabin crew members .
The only way they found is to fire 2 Captains and 5 cabin crew to spread terror.
While, in the mean time ,Thy made huge profits
All this is true according to my personal experience on A 330/340
It ’s became a Hell.
And I don’t talk about 737 and 320 fleets where the new FTDT is worse and definitely killing them .