Avoid joining Emirates.
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From: DontBai
It's not Pprune, it's you!!!
Rumour has it that recruitment have said the negative info on here is making it difficult for them to get people. Well it may come as a shock, it ain't pprune making it difficult it's the deceit, lies and dishonesty of the management within ek that's making it difficult.
Keep up the good work boys.
Keep up the good work boys.
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From: Europe
A piece of advice
How many pilots outside the UK know about PPRUNE ?
Would it not be better to write to the various Pilot Unions and ask them to provide the web address in their Union magazine?
This way EK will only get those guys that are really motivated and loyal.
Would it not be better to write to the various Pilot Unions and ask them to provide the web address in their Union magazine?
This way EK will only get those guys that are really motivated and loyal.
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From: You Name It.
Any pilot anywhere looking at leaving their home likely comes onto pprune!
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From: Dubai
At the same time one can not discount what is being said here. There is a lot of negativity but that negativity is generated by managment not pprune.
When the pilots say their contract is shreaded that is true. It is also negative but the management decieded to shreed our contract not us. So if we as EK pilots tell the world what management has done to our contract does that make us negeative or just a mouthpiece of freedom of speech?
When the pilots say their contract is shreaded that is true. It is also negative but the management decieded to shreed our contract not us. So if we as EK pilots tell the world what management has done to our contract does that make us negeative or just a mouthpiece of freedom of speech?
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From: Desert
The company will not tell us. Usually they publish the list every month but according to the TRE,I they have not published the list in quite awhile. Remember the only news in the middle east and especially at EK is good news or the news that they feel fit to say. This is not information that management thought we as pilots should have.
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From: Gangster Paradise, RSA
Wonder how they are going this explain this during their 10th of March road show in SA.....
Friday, February 5, 2010
Alexandra Johanna
A friend of mine has just had an incredible thing happen to her, it's almost like fiction. I'll explain it via an e-mail that I sent to George Hook today...
Hi George,
Greetings from a cold and snowy Toronto. Regarding my tweet about an Irish citizen in a spot of bother in South Africa, heres the story:
My wife and I used to live in Dubai, my wife used to fly for Emirates, we still have quite a few friends there who are flying for them, one being an Irish girl (her name is Liz). Liz has had a history of stomach problems, ulcers etc... before Christmas she went to the Emirates clinic in Dubai (they are so large that they have their own hospitals and clinics for their staff) complaining of stomach pains and general tiredness etc. She went back to them for test results a couple of weeks ago but the clinic had lost her results, so in the interim the Doctor decided to up her ulcer medication.
On the 21st of Jan, Liz was on an overnight Johannesburg stop, she had severe stomach aches during the night - it turns out that they weren't cramps, they were labour contractions. She self delivered a premature baby girl in the hotel room and with the assistance of the staff was able to get the baby breathing and get to a private hospital. Liz did not know she was pregnant. I believe that staff in Emirates welfare department back in Dubai were initially being very good to Liz & baby but as of a few days ago (George heres the real kicker) her contract has been terminated and her health insurance revoked, She's now alone in JNB stuck with USD$86k medical bill (the hospital need payments up front for the next three months worth of care for baby Alexandra) along with accommodation costs, food etc... why, you ask did they terminate her employment and revoke her insurance? Because she is unmarried. She has worked for them for seven years and they have left her stranded in JNB.
Emirates have also told her to vacate the hotel she is staying in and she now has to find alternative accommodation for the next 5 months (baby Alexandra will be in hospital for three and it will be another two months afterwards that she can travel back to Ireland)
Liz has told me that the staff in the hotel shes in (and soon has to leave) have been superb and even had a baby shower for her in her hotel room. I have written to one of the Vice Presidents of HR in Emirates who I know and explained the situation to him as I suspect it wasnt escalated that high up the ranks. He has said they will investigate it.
If there is a silver lining, its that Liz is lucky that she didnt give birth whilst in Dubai as she would have been jailed as its against the law to have a baby out of wedlock.
The unfortunate part is that shes now stuck in JNB for the next five months. There is a facebook group called Alexandra Johanna where there are details of an account that any donations can be made to help Liz and baby out. Her family and friends have managed to raise a good amount of the medical fees but were still many thousands of dollars/euros away from what the hospital are asking.
Anyhow George, thats the story. I hope its of interest to you. If you need more info including mine or Liz (in SA's) tel number, please let me know.
Alexandra Johanna
A friend of mine has just had an incredible thing happen to her, it's almost like fiction. I'll explain it via an e-mail that I sent to George Hook today...
Hi George,
Greetings from a cold and snowy Toronto. Regarding my tweet about an Irish citizen in a spot of bother in South Africa, heres the story:
My wife and I used to live in Dubai, my wife used to fly for Emirates, we still have quite a few friends there who are flying for them, one being an Irish girl (her name is Liz). Liz has had a history of stomach problems, ulcers etc... before Christmas she went to the Emirates clinic in Dubai (they are so large that they have their own hospitals and clinics for their staff) complaining of stomach pains and general tiredness etc. She went back to them for test results a couple of weeks ago but the clinic had lost her results, so in the interim the Doctor decided to up her ulcer medication.
On the 21st of Jan, Liz was on an overnight Johannesburg stop, she had severe stomach aches during the night - it turns out that they weren't cramps, they were labour contractions. She self delivered a premature baby girl in the hotel room and with the assistance of the staff was able to get the baby breathing and get to a private hospital. Liz did not know she was pregnant. I believe that staff in Emirates welfare department back in Dubai were initially being very good to Liz & baby but as of a few days ago (George heres the real kicker) her contract has been terminated and her health insurance revoked, She's now alone in JNB stuck with USD$86k medical bill (the hospital need payments up front for the next three months worth of care for baby Alexandra) along with accommodation costs, food etc... why, you ask did they terminate her employment and revoke her insurance? Because she is unmarried. She has worked for them for seven years and they have left her stranded in JNB.
Emirates have also told her to vacate the hotel she is staying in and she now has to find alternative accommodation for the next 5 months (baby Alexandra will be in hospital for three and it will be another two months afterwards that she can travel back to Ireland)
Liz has told me that the staff in the hotel shes in (and soon has to leave) have been superb and even had a baby shower for her in her hotel room. I have written to one of the Vice Presidents of HR in Emirates who I know and explained the situation to him as I suspect it wasnt escalated that high up the ranks. He has said they will investigate it.
If there is a silver lining, its that Liz is lucky that she didnt give birth whilst in Dubai as she would have been jailed as its against the law to have a baby out of wedlock.
The unfortunate part is that shes now stuck in JNB for the next five months. There is a facebook group called Alexandra Johanna where there are details of an account that any donations can be made to help Liz and baby out. Her family and friends have managed to raise a good amount of the medical fees but were still many thousands of dollars/euros away from what the hospital are asking.
Anyhow George, thats the story. I hope its of interest to you. If you need more info including mine or Liz (in SA's) tel number, please let me know.
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From: camelshitcity
EK .. stay away!!
In the animal reign the fittest prevails.
Ek is an extreme example of the absurd mechanism that unregulated capitalism has created in mankind, the survival of the bastards!
It is not the individual with desirable human qualities like empathy, solidarity,altruism, integrity, morality prevailing but exactly the opposite.
In a democratic and secular environment this is somehow mitigateted by a legal system.
In a religious dictatorship like in Dubai this is taken to the limit.
Morality and integrity are just screamed from the minarets to provoke fear and prevent any attempt of emancipation from the enslaved and disinherited working masses ,while immorality, servility, greed are the desirable charaterictics for the people chosed to manage them.
In this perspective the goal of this "manager" becomes only to ammass the biggest amount of money taking advantage of the situation and of the large unaccountability they have, and run.
Would you like to be managed by greedy, immoral, servilist anaccountable managers? This is what is going to happen if you join EK. May be you are a lucky chap but sooner or later you will have some kind of problems.
You will be on your own, always guilty and if you will stand for your rights they will mobb you to death!! Moreover unfortunately many Cpts in EK are part of this "managing class" they will spy on you, report you, pretending they are your friends, to please their superior and to safeguard their salary and benefits. Think about the italian idiot that reported the guy that gave the sandwiches to the driver? How can you be like that?
Anybody thinking of joining EK and needing insights you can PM me. I have some interesting stories for you.
Ek is an extreme example of the absurd mechanism that unregulated capitalism has created in mankind, the survival of the bastards!
It is not the individual with desirable human qualities like empathy, solidarity,altruism, integrity, morality prevailing but exactly the opposite.
In a democratic and secular environment this is somehow mitigateted by a legal system.
In a religious dictatorship like in Dubai this is taken to the limit.
Morality and integrity are just screamed from the minarets to provoke fear and prevent any attempt of emancipation from the enslaved and disinherited working masses ,while immorality, servility, greed are the desirable charaterictics for the people chosed to manage them.
In this perspective the goal of this "manager" becomes only to ammass the biggest amount of money taking advantage of the situation and of the large unaccountability they have, and run.
Would you like to be managed by greedy, immoral, servilist anaccountable managers? This is what is going to happen if you join EK. May be you are a lucky chap but sooner or later you will have some kind of problems.
You will be on your own, always guilty and if you will stand for your rights they will mobb you to death!! Moreover unfortunately many Cpts in EK are part of this "managing class" they will spy on you, report you, pretending they are your friends, to please their superior and to safeguard their salary and benefits. Think about the italian idiot that reported the guy that gave the sandwiches to the driver? How can you be like that?
Anybody thinking of joining EK and needing insights you can PM me. I have some interesting stories for you.
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From: KUL
I worked for a unionized '1st world' outfit 20 years ago. Similar thing happened to a cabin crew down route at the time. Gave birth during layover. She was fired the same day. Nobody, not even the union believed that the pregnancy was unknown to her. She had to settle her own medical bills as well. Doesn't make EK a charity ... but who in the industry is?
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From: any where that will have me.
Help on the way.
It seems that help may be on the way for this lady.
Sassypilotswife might be own to something here.
http://www.pprune.org/showthread.php...=1#post5545333
Sassypilotswife might be own to something here.
http://www.pprune.org/showthread.php...=1#post5545333
Joined: Dec 2006
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From: KUL
Jeez. sheikibumms ... really! I also have interesting stories about the Vatican, the NZ brewers union and the Austrian sailors-in-nun's clothing fetish group...But you probably shouldn't be posting after having a couple...
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From: Dubai ,U.A.E.
I have been with EK for over 12 years and joined with great expectations, I have enjoyed some good times but it has gone too far now. I am off as soon as I can get my family out of here. It will take at least 6 months for me to get my ducks in a row but I am away as I am fed up with the deception.
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From: Uncle Sam's Locker
You couldn't make this stuff up. The very same and much much worse is going on down the road in QR. The message is simple, no matter how desperate you are for a job, for your own sake hold out and try to get something away from this region.
Wakbar
Wakbar
Joined: Nov 2007
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From: Europe
Surely the ME has to be taken in the right spirit?
A good place to spend a couple of years, get some experience, maybe save some money, and then go home. Don't plan to spend your whole life there and don't take it too seriously.
Well, that's the way it used to be
A good place to spend a couple of years, get some experience, maybe save some money, and then go home. Don't plan to spend your whole life there and don't take it too seriously.
Well, that's the way it used to be
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From: Dunesville
Times have changed.
EK once billed itself, maybe perhaps even prided itself on a long term career option.
The pilots used to be the best advert for a career here. Now the effect of many, many detrimental changes and p**s poor management at all levels have driven a once good job into the ground.
EK once billed itself, maybe perhaps even prided itself on a long term career option.
The pilots used to be the best advert for a career here. Now the effect of many, many detrimental changes and p**s poor management at all levels have driven a once good job into the ground.
