Avoid joining Emirates.
 

To all of the Pilots out there thinking about joining Emirates.

Please don't. That's what I want to say to all of you. What you read here on PPRune is true, all of it.

If you have a job in your home country and you're not about to be made redundant then stay where you are! It's not the right time to come to Emirates or Dubai. (If there is a right time)

What they aren't telling you at the road shows is that you have no rights, no contract and the management rule by 'fear and intimidation'. Remember what happened to the First Officer under training on the Manchester flight? Screw up and you're out!!! it's simple, and you get no support, even during training.

Yes you sign a contract for sure but all that amounts to is a bond for xxx$ and nothing else.

We have a shortage of pilots and we have to cancel flights because we don't have the crews to operate them, then and only then will our conditions here improve, they will have to up the package, to attract quality Pilots.
Everything here from management (UAE style), flying hours per month, days off, crew rest on ULR flights and two pilots operating max hours at night is appalling.

From Clark down to Stealey they are all doing their best to destroy all goodwill that has been built up over the years, and as long as people help them out by working days off and other favours then nothing will change. All they want is "bums on seats" and they don't care who.

So all I want to say is read these treads very carefully, i'll say it again, it's true what you read about Dubai and about Emirates.

Only join if you are desperate, and don't say you've not been told.

100% true
 

Guys

as Puff says ..don't.
Before doing something stupid send me a PM. I will tell you my name and my desert stories and then you will know what is Emirates about.
Unless you are really really desperate stay away!

I thank you both for these innovative and groundbreaking posts!

Mods, it's high time you start to tidy up the ME forum. 10+ EK front page threads with the same cr@p over and over again.
How about a; "Don't come, you have been warned, EK edition" thread where you can collect all the whining about EK.
Then a QR, EY, GF, etc, edition as well.

Maybe we should have a discussion about what we want the ME forum to be?

And while we're at it, let's have a thread dedicated to the people who complain about the people complaining. You could call it the "if you don't like it, leave" thread. Since you're into innovative and groundbreaking comments.

The fact that the front posts tend to be dominated by negative comments about Emirates is perhaps because the climate at the company lately tends to be dominated by negative, repressive changes. If you have some good news feel free to spread the sunshine. Standing by.

If you don't like it, perhaps don't read it? It's not like you couldn't guess what the topic was from the title.

EY thread already exists.... and it's full of the same don't join posts , slightly a less amount coz it's been fewer years old.....
Please ManaAdaSystem, go back to your desk/office, whatever you call it, and let people warn about dangers of going to ME, whatever the carrier is, there is no difference in management style....fear
Contract ain't worth the paper it's written on
No right
No life
No future

I've been a reader only here and have to say something finally. I would highly advise against any of you out there considering Emirates.... just don't do it!!! Plain and simple. If you are not starving, there is a better course in another profession.

This place has turned to absolute rubbish.

You've seen how many posts are on this forum of how bad it is at EK.
Take it all on advise from those who know.

Stay away from here...... far away!

K

If you don't like it, leave. That should apply to nearly all EK drivers in here, don't you think?

*yawn*

What were you saying about innovative and groundbreaking comments?

I swear, the only thing more boring than people complaining, are the people who complain about them...yes, yes, there there, we're all trying to leave, don't worry...lol

Freedom of Speech
 

ManaAdaSystem:

Why should the mods "tidy up the ME forum"? Is "tidy" where posts you do not like are deleted? This is purely freedom of speech and your calls to subdue it are entirely contrary to what Pprune is about.

The repetitive gripes about EK simply show that things are not all well in the opinion of many who choose to express themselves in the same forum you express yourself. If their claims were unfounded, their noise would die down not rise in volume. That is the nature of expression. Freedom of speech takes care of itself. What is false dies. What is true grows.

If 10000 posts all said exactly the same thing, it would be repetitive certainly but also make a strong point. Isnt that the background to any backlash? The growing volume and agitation shows all is not well. Others must be allowed to judge not only on the points made but how often, how strongly and by how many.

Regarding your "if you dont like it leave" attitude: This is uneducated in the extreme. If you cannot see the issue as more complex than your naive solution, then you have a lot to learn about the world, life and people. I can only assume that you are either from a repressive regime or are a repressor yourself.

Grow up. Let others say their peace. If you have contrary opinions or arguments that show the claims of others to be untrue then express them. You too can benefit from the freedom. If many vocally support your stance then once again freedom of speech will win the day.

If attempts to muzzle others is your only retort then I conclude you have nothing useful to say

There is a difference between giving factual information in one or two different threads, and starting a new thread stating the same information over and over again. Not to mention starting one to complain about pajamas-use or @sslicking in EK. Those threads should be binned, they have nothing to do with freedom of speech. It's just garbage.

All this talk about being overworked? To me it seems like you have way to much spare time, time you spend here complaining about anything and everything. It's coordinated effort by EK pilots to turn away new joiners so you can force an improvement in T & C's.

Emirates posts
 

"Forum" 1. the public square of an ancient Roman city where business was done and courts and public assemblies were held. 2. an assembly for the discussion of questions of public interest. 3. law court. 4. tribunal

"Middle East" region from the eastern Mediterranean to India

"aviation" flying in airplanes; the art or science of navigating aircraft.

" air line" 1. system of transportation of people and things on aircraft. 2. business that transports people or things by aircraft. 3. route of aircraft. 4. a straight line

Thordike . Barnhart, dictionary

Cheers ,:}Good Luck

ManaAdaSystem

The same would of course apply to you...if you don't like it don't read it. :ugh:

My thread was for people thinking of coming here, not it would seem for you.

It matters not how many threads of similar information are posted here, we are free to say what ever we wish and what we feel. These posts are for the benefit of other people who don't know whats going on in this airline.

ManaAdaSystem, obviously you're missing the point here. As most of the posts you complain about make abundantly clear, pilots at EK have lost any sense of fair consideration by the company execs with their apparent scant regard for T and C's and there is no form of recourse... hence, the outflow of criticism in this forum. People will find a way to vent. Fix the problem and the symptoms will go away.

BTW, this is my first post on pprune after observing for 3 years while working at EK. I'm a patient sort but the current situation is getting to me as well. It's time to say something. :ugh:

Hey Mana,

What the hell do you care if people complain? It is their right as it is yours to not like it but I have to wonder, what is your agenda in discouraging negative threads or comments? What if the pilots goal was as you say, to improve T&Cs, what business is it of yours and what harm would it do you if that were the case? It makes me think you may be some typical management stooge or suck up. This is a pilot forum. IF you are indeed management, start your own board where you can spout off all you want about how great you think things are at EK and in the industry in general. I doubt anyone would read it, but knock yourself out. I for one appreciate the honest and real experiences that pilots are talking about because you certainly won't get that from a dog and pony road show. So, Mana, I would like to request that you respectfully pi$$ off.

Don't even think of joining EK
 

Notwithstanding the fact that any profession involving responsabilities would require a higher level of morality, in certain environment, the ones with the lower level of it tend to prevail cause they are able to think only of their own personal advantage, lke beasts. If in nature the fittest survives, in the jungle of an unregulated and absurd capitalistic system , the one with the more evident lack of human desirable qualities like honesty, integrity, empathy, understanding and solidarity will.
In democratic and secular society this does leads to widespread corruption and other undesirable effect, but is somehow mitigated by a legal system, while in a place like Dubai where morality and legality are just screamed to the masses three times a day to prevent their rebellion to the objective situation of slavery they live in, this is far more true and dangerous.
So before thinking of joining Emirates consider that
1) UAE is a federation of dictatorships resisting democratic reforms using a non existent culture as an excuse.
2)you will not have any rights
3)your life will be in the hands of some asslcking idiots trying to make as much money as he can pleasing his local superior.. and run.
4) you and your family may find your self in serious trouble for any stupid reasons and you will be guilty until proven innocent
5) to prove your self innocent if someone think your guilty will be impossible
6) nobody will help you

Don't trade you freedom and rights for a few bucks. Just think of the ME as an absurd commistion of middle age and modernity. It is in fact year 1400 and somethign according to the islamic calendar and that is where they stand on the civil and human rights .Add an insatiable greed in the equation and you have the full picture.
They will get what they deserve sooner or later and actually it is already happening. Stay away!!!

Well NZ X Man said it: "discussion of questions of public interest."

@sslicking?

So 5000-10000 Dirhams extra pr month will take care of DXB traffic, will make the Arabs go away, give you 50 hrs/month rosters, give the right to wear the pajamas when and where you so choose, turn UAE into a Democracy, and all those who have failed the upgrade will now breeze through?
I'm not saying all is well at EK, but I will say that you are not as unique as you seem to think you are. You all know it, that's why most of you don't have the cohones to bail out. Maybe all the good guys left, and only the monkeys are left?
So tell me, what will it take to make your lives complete again?
It's not like whining EK drivers are a new breed of pilots. You were here complaining even in the "good old" days.

You've got the answers mate, take the job, no amount of discussion here is going to make any difference to you.

lol

Ah ManaAdaSystem...such breast-beating...cohones? Who are these "you all" that you refer to? Do you even work for Emirates? If you do, then you are one of "us", except perhaps more in denial...if you do not, why do you care what is posted or said? Who has the sad life, that they need to voluntarily be offended? As far as I know, the FOM does not yet mandate reading PPrune. (Probably an FCI being drafted as we speak.)

I still await your positive news and sunshine, to refute even a word of what has been said.

Dear god can you be more obvious of your slant than your comment about a coordinated effort by EK pilots? Would that it were that sophisticated! What splendid "monkeys" we truly would be! hahahah Like all good EK managers you speak out of both sides of your mouth...which is it, are we whiners, or plotters? You can't have it both ways, my little man.

Please, back to your desk. I'm sure there's a dirham to be saved somewhere.

Mana A S

You never answered the question addressed earlier; are you an oppressor or from an oppressed country. Either way that explains your lack of the concept of freedom of speech. I come from the land of the free and love freedom of speech. Even if I don't agree with what the person is saying at least I know where he/she stands and we can talk about it. That concept as we all know is sorely lacking at EK.
Let Freedom (of Speech) Reign!

The sad thing is , all this good advice will fall on deaf ears. The same deaf ears who join Ryanair after reading ALL the threads, and then say "how could we know it would be like this", or are, even now, shelling out large wads of cash to subsidise Easy Jet for the "dream" :rolleyes: to play airline pilot for (maybe) 6 mths.
These bright young things are exactly the cannon fodder that will wing its way to you, no matter what good advice you offer.

Ostriches can fly ! ! :ugh: