All EK ULR Flights to be 3 pilot crews!
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All EK ULR Flights to be 3 pilot crews!
Straight from the Horses mouth to my ears: Emirates ULR flights will shortly consist of only 3 pilots, yep that's right even IAH. So, that ol' pilot shortage that we thought we were having is about to end. I know the super sharp guys out there are about to quote some regulation about how this could never happen but let's face it there aren't any regulations here, human rights or compassion. Oh and remember if your kids are seen on motor vehicles like "3 wheelers" you will be fired. HA! I haven't seen a 3-wheeler since Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome was in the cinema and Phil Collins was all the rage and Ronald Reagan was sworn in for his second term! Way to keep up on current evens EK.
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3 Pilot ULR's
Maybe that's what the VPFT was alluding to, when he said it's going to get worse before it get's better.
Saves about 5 hours of "logged stick time" per ULR times 16 sectors per day, that's 80 hours a day or 30 pilots per month, about 1.4 % productivity increase.
Congrats to all EK Pilots, you must be the most productive in the business.
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Saves about 5 hours of "logged stick time" per ULR times 16 sectors per day, that's 80 hours a day or 30 pilots per month, about 1.4 % productivity increase.
Congrats to all EK Pilots, you must be the most productive in the business.
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Believe me, if you think TCAS and TCED are sh*ts towards us, just wait till MM gets TCAS's job (Which he prob will), he will squeeze the living crap out of us, because he thinks he can run EK like he did MyTravel.
He was just about to get kicked out of his last job when he got the EK job, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, he's a professional schmoozer and brown noser.
Just press 2, quite frankly there's bugger all left of my career in this sh*thole for me to care about anymore.
The CV is getting dusted down.........
He was just about to get kicked out of his last job when he got the EK job, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him, he's a professional schmoozer and brown noser.
Just press 2, quite frankly there's bugger all left of my career in this sh*thole for me to care about anymore.
The CV is getting dusted down.........
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Trust me Habibis, this is true. There are also some more sh1t ideas in the pipeline. This is just the start, due to the advanced planning in crew numbers (not). When people are leaving, in what is supposed to be "difficult" economic times, EK should really wake the fu$k up.
At a time when they are asking for our help on the recruitment front, they are shafting us in the next breadth. EK, you will get no help whatsoever from us
Start treating us with some modicum of respect and we will help you. For now, no chance
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At a time when they are asking for our help on the recruitment front, they are shafting us in the next breadth. EK, you will get no help whatsoever from us
Start treating us with some modicum of respect and we will help you. For now, no chance SyB
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Contact the Aviation Safety Hotline
Arrive in USA (hopefully without incident if you're fortunate). Call eveeeeeta! Fatigue is dangerous.
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Arrive in USA (hopefully without incident if you're fortunate). Call eveeeeeta! Fatigue is dangerous.
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I'd love to see them try!
Me thinks the SOS doctors down route would be raking it in, as we call in fatigued and unable to operate on the morning of the return flight!(4 hrs before report, according to their rules, would really screw the schedule)
LAX, SFO and IAH are knackering enough with 4 crew, certainly takes me a good 2 days to recover from the zombie mode, and still marginally unsafe to fly on the third day!
Me thinks the SOS doctors down route would be raking it in, as we call in fatigued and unable to operate on the morning of the return flight!(4 hrs before report, according to their rules, would really screw the schedule)
LAX, SFO and IAH are knackering enough with 4 crew, certainly takes me a good 2 days to recover from the zombie mode, and still marginally unsafe to fly on the third day!
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just wait till MM gets TCAS's job
What a nightmare this place has become. So unnecessary but inevitable with the idiots they get in to run it.
What part of the 'fatigue' study said that reducing pilots on the ULRs would improve things? FUEK
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if this is true.......they are going to royally screw themselves. Now if a pilot downroute gets ill, they get the crew to operate with three back (maybe that's where this idea has come from). But if a crewmember gets sick on the layover with this provision.....flight canceled, end of story. How will they compensate getting a full load of pax on the next day's flights. IF true, this is sort of like the HEAVY bag tag SNAFU.
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No ULR for A345...return to 79 hours
On a similar thread, since Ed said that because everyone's doing ULRs, it's no longer practical to have a 79 hour 'cap' plus productivity pay. Since the 345 is no longer going to be doing ULR flights as they shift to Boeing, doesn't it make sense that we should return to the old 79 hour / month system?
Why does the handle above remind me of the saying "Be careful what you wish for"?
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if this is true.......they are going to royally screw themselves. Now if a pilot downroute gets ill, they get the crew to operate with three back (maybe that's where this idea has come from). But if a crewmember gets sick on the layover with this provision.....flight canceled
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if this is true.......they are going to royally screw themselves. Now if a pilot downroute gets ill, they get the crew to operate with three back (maybe that's where this idea has come from). But if a crewmember gets sick on the layover with this provision.....flight canceled
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A 3 crew ULR flight frees up one captain for another flight. Where will the FO come from? They'll still be begging us to tell our friends to come here for a while yet.
I'll be telling my pals to take the free ride out here for a week, for sure!
I'll be telling my pals to take the free ride out here for a week, for sure!
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By the way:
EK's very own BM will just write us a new, load-of-sh!t FCI and "Operational Plan" permitting just a little over whatever they need to make it work, complete with all these "rules" which prevent us from being abused with 3Crew ULR flights more than, oh, three times per month or so.
Because the in-flight rest pattern is altered, it will be best for us for them to reduce the layover rest period to 24hrs again in keeping with the new plan.
Reference 3-wheelers: Has Ed been threatening the sack again?
Longest planned FDP is DXB-LAX. 17hrs 30min.
With one augmenting crew member, Max FDP for the operating crew is 16hrs 45min. 16:30 divide by 6 plus 14 (FOM Ch21 p29.)
How can a single crew augment, work on all ULRs?
Or have I miscalculated?
With one augmenting crew member, Max FDP for the operating crew is 16hrs 45min. 16:30 divide by 6 plus 14 (FOM Ch21 p29.)
How can a single crew augment, work on all ULRs?
Or have I miscalculated?
Because the in-flight rest pattern is altered, it will be best for us for them to reduce the layover rest period to 24hrs again in keeping with the new plan.
Reference 3-wheelers: Has Ed been threatening the sack again?
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Oh one more thing.... what they gain with reduced pilot hours, they will throw away with the reduced effect of their BULL**** factoring scheme, (the father of which was the version TCAS signed on his first day on the job, don't forget that).
So the short term gain would be lost when the pilots edge closer, faster to their annual limits. Then again, I wouldn't put it past these tight-arsed rocket scientists to do exactly that... anything to save a bean and NOT pay the pilots more.
So the short term gain would be lost when the pilots edge closer, faster to their annual limits. Then again, I wouldn't put it past these tight-arsed rocket scientists to do exactly that... anything to save a bean and NOT pay the pilots more.
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Nobody will report sick downroute as everybody wants to keep his job, in these troubled times.
Ed, JH, and AAB know that and they laugh together ....
As sad as it is, pilots will stay, suffer in silence, while life gets worse and worse....
Good luck
Ed, JH, and AAB know that and they laugh together ....
As sad as it is, pilots will stay, suffer in silence, while life gets worse and worse....
Good luck
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Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
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