Ramadan fasting time ?
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From: Arizona USA
Recall flying some years ago in Saudi when the First Officer requested we fly lower to enable the sun to 'set' sooner
so I did just that...you would be surprised how much a TriStar consumes at FL160 flying at the barber pole....and never a peep from the fleet manager,either.
Keep the locals happy....smile all the way to the bank.
so I did just that...you would be surprised how much a TriStar consumes at FL160 flying at the barber pole....and never a peep from the fleet manager,either.Keep the locals happy....smile all the way to the bank.
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From: The Palm
Big Footer,
Look in here if you are here in Dubai:
Ramadan Time Table 2009
If you are elsewhere on duty, ask the hotel staff. Local papers also have it.
Easy mate, the net is wonderful. No excuse for not fasting or adhering to the fasting timings.
411A, "flying at the barber pole....and never a peep from the fleet manager,either"
"That wouldn't be possible today, unless...
Look in here if you are here in Dubai:
Ramadan Time Table 2009
If you are elsewhere on duty, ask the hotel staff. Local papers also have it.
Easy mate, the net is wonderful. No excuse for not fasting or adhering to the fasting timings.
411A, "flying at the barber pole....and never a peep from the fleet manager,either"
"That wouldn't be possible today, unless...
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From: no clue
The way I was told it should be done, is to calculate the sunrise/sunset from the jeppesen tables and codes section, and subtract 20 minutes for altitude, this I was told, is a rough as near as damn it way of doing it.
The guise calling ATC for timings are doing it for gross error check.
On ground however, local papers have these timings, hotel receptionist have them, a quick search on the net provides them.
Having said that, Muslims are allowed and encouraged to break fast when travelling a distance more than 80 KM, by land, sea or air.
Hope this answers your question.
Safe flying
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From: Middle East
Like 411 said, I work for Saudia now, just as they did back in the L1011 days, it is when the top of the sun goes below the horizon. Dropping altitude will make that happen earlier. In the last 5 minutes of the fast you tend to hear a lot of requests for lower altitudes.
The guys use the sunset time tables/charts only if they can't see the sun. The whole fast is based on the sun, so why use a chart when you can actually see the sun??
The guys use the sunset time tables/charts only if they can't see the sun. The whole fast is based on the sun, so why use a chart when you can actually see the sun??
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From: Indonesia
Interesting reading all the above. I do remember something I read years back that long distance travellers are to use the timing from their point of departure to break their fast. It was an item in Garuda magazine about 1980.
Depending on which way you are flying round the globe the sun could take an awful long time in setting!
The old, ill, lactating women, women in their period, young children do not fast, but I bet there are some that do.
As someone that has lived more than half my life in mainly Muslim countries and had a small food business here in Indonesia, its interesting to find out the detail of who and who cannot fast and certainly to the items that can and can't be eaten. Some of this even goes down to what herbs can be used in the food. Again some people are more strict than others in their view of this.
We have two kitchens in our patch of land here. One in the house for standard anything goes food, and the other (now defunct) with its own eating utensils, fridge, and strictly controlled food items for Muslim intake.
Depending on which way you are flying round the globe the sun could take an awful long time in setting!
The old, ill, lactating women, women in their period, young children do not fast, but I bet there are some that do.
As someone that has lived more than half my life in mainly Muslim countries and had a small food business here in Indonesia, its interesting to find out the detail of who and who cannot fast and certainly to the items that can and can't be eaten. Some of this even goes down to what herbs can be used in the food. Again some people are more strict than others in their view of this.
We have two kitchens in our patch of land here. One in the house for standard anything goes food, and the other (now defunct) with its own eating utensils, fridge, and strictly controlled food items for Muslim intake.
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From: dubai
It's not the fasting that worries me, although that's bad enough. It is the people who are not drinking, that really scare me during Ramadan.
If you are not drinking water during the "hours of daylight" you are in no fit state, physically or mentally to be anywhere near machinery of any description.
When does Ramadan finish BTW, so I know to avoid certain airlines?
If you are not drinking water during the "hours of daylight" you are in no fit state, physically or mentally to be anywhere near machinery of any description.
When does Ramadan finish BTW, so I know to avoid certain airlines?
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From: S E Asia
Have a look here, I am not Muslim but this tells you prayer times, and Sunrise sunset can be worked out from this. Usefull in Saudi when the shops shut for prayers.
The Muslims Internet Directory: header_general country here
The Muslims Internet Directory: header_general country here
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From: guess where
If you are an owner of a Palm OS device, here is a program that uses FMS-style inputs and corrects for your flightlevel.Sunfly for Palm OS
Anyone in the know if such a program exists for Windows Mobile?
Anyone in the know if such a program exists for Windows Mobile?
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From: Asia
Recent case of a QATAR Airways pilot who announced time to break the fast based on time in Doha, the destination. Muslim cleric on board took exception to this as according to him it's based on time of sunset at your present position.
He issued a religious order regarding this and told some passengers who had started eating that they would have to fast an extra day to make up for it.
BTW Have noticed some of our muslim cabin crew looking "distressed" by mid afternoon.
He issued a religious order regarding this and told some passengers who had started eating that they would have to fast an extra day to make up for it.
BTW Have noticed some of our muslim cabin crew looking "distressed" by mid afternoon.
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From: Blighty
Here is a question. What if you live in permanent daylight in Ramadan. For those Muslims living in Iceland or Northern Norway for example. I mean what to do???
Serious answers please.
EGGW
Serious answers please.
EGGW