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EY Unstable App in MNL?

Old 1st Jul 2009, 17:28
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EY Unstable App in MNL?

Can someone confirm that I heard RH correctly at the roadshow when he said the 777 fleet had a recent app into MNL where the gear was selected at 350 RA and F30 at 118 RA and the crew landed ???

What the [email protected]@k were they thinking of...are they still with us!.
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Old 1st Jul 2009, 18:03
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OMDB - what a dumb comment!
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Old 1st Jul 2009, 18:34
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Why don't you ask RH if he has had any hard landings anywhere?
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Old 1st Jul 2009, 18:42
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whats the problem: just another speedy approach. If the RWY is long, so what. Like in the good old times.
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Old 1st Jul 2009, 18:47
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Weve all had hard/firm landings, I think this is a bit more serious

Looking at the nationalities I wouldnt expect anything to happen
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 00:09
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CDRW - Ya I agree, your comment was pretty dumb!
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 01:26
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How hard was RH landing? My last hard landing was in a B727. 160 O2 masks dropped out of 168. It wasn't pretty! Good thing it was Boeing!

Still humbled, and waiting for the next one to bite my a&&.

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Old 4th Jul 2009, 15:12
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Any more news on this episode?
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 16:04
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I don't agree with your retort to CDRW. "All's well that ends well." I agree that the crew managed to escape the sometimes unescapable, but as professionals we have raise, not lower the bar. We all make mistakes and I have made some of the biggest.

I don't think I have gone as far as the MNL approach described, surely even a lowly aircraft such as a Bo'ing must inform the Pilots of such proximity to terrain etc?

noflare - nationalities? B=British, I=Indian, A=Australian. Give us a hint.
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 17:57
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@NoJoke - You and CDRW obviously didn't notice that smilie icon at the end of my message. Your username explains a lot. Goodluck finding what really happened during that flight and help "raise the bar".

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Old 4th Jul 2009, 18:22
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Well, they wouldn't have had the gewar down prior to selcting landing flap, with the associated config warning horn, and the flap would have still beeen runing at touchdown...
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 19:08
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A screw up approach for sure. But to set the record straight... apparently they missed the gear selection at the standard point distracted by comm with ATC (not sure exactly what it was). Gear selected just below 800RA and final flap selected around 400RA (I believe).
Rumours around... they decided to continue due to approaching shower (can't verify this).
For me, still not a good excuse but who am I to judge where I have plenty of time to think about it.
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 19:30
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Well well well must be a stupid way to kill yourself an all the 300 pax in a very expedius easy manner.
PLZ next time just trigger this small lever so nicely called Toga and seat back and relax watch the game when you reach 2000ft call your lovely R1 ask for 2 cups of tea (for both dummies seating at the control) and enjoy the sea view when you reach 15Nm turn on final if not enough ask to extend by another 5 then configure all this lovely vacation at no expenses no need even to write an ASR could you believe how easy it is .
that's what we call rising the bar not lowering it
always fly high and safe
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 22:49
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The gear was down at about 350RA and land flap reached 30 at 118RA figures from the recent Roadshow
As for distracted by ATC Comms.......Boll##ks!

We will all suffer because of these 3 clowns, and what is a real joke I hear they were given a couple of Sims & some CRM...if screw ups like this dont get yerr ass fired/demoted then what does!..

Noflare your right...
Nojoke....OK Lah...thats your hint
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 04:11
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The boys were just too excited! Thinking ahead to Burgos St !
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 05:01
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I find your statement about clowns totally negative. Sorry dude in the real world thats the way these things should be handled, take the guys in the sim see where the problem is and address it. The training Dept. learns we as the pilot group get positive feedback,which I believe if you go back to your CFI 101 days is the way to correct these issues.
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 07:48
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to mr trimotor

Mr Trimotor,
of course they would have had the config landing gear warning, quote:

Any landing gear is not down and locked
when either thrust lever is closed below
800 feet radio altitude or when flaps are in
a landing position.

Do you fly 777? By the way this warning is the same on any modern and not so modern aircraft.

End to everybody who already "fired" the crew. Wouldn't it be a good idea to have more complete information before "firing" someone rather then making such strong statements based on 1 line msg. Give our colleagues a brake.
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 08:34
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Config Gear

Hi "cleared to land"!

Sorry to interfere, but assuming either thrust lever was not closed and/or
flaps less 25
there would be no landing gear configuration warning!

The warning what they should have had comes from the GND PROX WARNING,--TOO LOW GEAR!

My respect to your flight safety office!!! That´s the way occurences like
that should be handled.
Demotion in such a case would be holy stupid!
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 09:59
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A nod is as good as a wink.
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 10:04
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Sandywhatits

Just seen your post. I get the hint. All right, all right.
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