View Poll Results: Keep it for the EK guys - where's your stress level?
2 - No Stress
27
4.86%
3 - Stress? What stress?
12
2.16%
4 - Occasional light chop
58
10.45%
5 - Who you calling grumpy?
38
6.85%
6 - I've had enough of this.
111
20.00%
7 - Clenching fists, biting nails. Often.
66
11.89%
8 - If you do that again I'll kill you!
59
10.63%
9 - Uncontrollable sobbing. Even in your sleep.
22
3.96%
10 - AAAAAAAAAAAaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!
162
29.19%
Voters: 555. This poll is closed
Stress Levels at Emirates
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Yep, stand corrected: 18%.
I just don't see the funny side of seeing my colleagues losing upgrade opportunities, working 90+ hour months for less money & having my life ruled by a bunch of second rate, spineless sycophants.
If we were real lions we'd find a way of biting back.
I just don't see the funny side of seeing my colleagues losing upgrade opportunities, working 90+ hour months for less money & having my life ruled by a bunch of second rate, spineless sycophants.
If we were real lions we'd find a way of biting back.
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Leadership style article
Stop Overdoing Your Strengths - HBR.org
Interesting article in the Harvard Business Review pertaining to leadership styles. For EK management reading this you may want to reconsider your statement that low morale does not affect productivity...but then again its just Harvard educated business leaders saying this.
Interesting article in the Harvard Business Review pertaining to leadership styles. For EK management reading this you may want to reconsider your statement that low morale does not affect productivity...but then again its just Harvard educated business leaders saying this.
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A Massive 10+++
It all started with the arrival of That C$nt Alan Stealey and his cronies. The guy is as popular in Emirates as a pork sausage at a Bahmitzvah! Oops, sorry, I meant in a mosque...
And what Business School qualifications do any of our managers have? I'd love to see their (real) CVs!
It all started with the arrival of That C$nt Alan Stealey and his cronies. The guy is as popular in Emirates as a pork sausage at a Bahmitzvah! Oops, sorry, I meant in a mosque...
but then again its just Harvard educated business leaders saying this
And what Business School qualifications do any of our managers have? I'd love to see their (real) CVs!
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It actually started under TCK, TCAS has refined the process to an artform.
TCK started all this when he tried to set up AAR but it all backfired on him and consequently on us as well!!
TCK started all this when he tried to set up AAR but it all backfired on him and consequently on us as well!!
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Posted on Prune elsewhere
The dark side of Dubai - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
It's no wonder you guys are stressed.
The dark side of Dubai - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
It's no wonder you guys are stressed.
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Gents,
what Do you exspect from a company, which wanna get rid of their employees ?
Couple month ago, they changed the shifts in NCC, from comfortable 4on/4off to 6on/2off and pissed off they whole middle management , who runs the daily business. The new FCI for U guys, was in a more childish form , also sent to NCC. They are also now really relaxed.
And Cosmodrift:
U have my full respect, like everyone who runs the daily work.
But why they hire only morons in the managment ??
No raise no bonus. Prices up everywhere. Time to go.
My stressfactor is 0.
I don't even think about the BS-company. They dig their own hole.
Keep discovering
what Do you exspect from a company, which wanna get rid of their employees ?
Couple month ago, they changed the shifts in NCC, from comfortable 4on/4off to 6on/2off and pissed off they whole middle management , who runs the daily business. The new FCI for U guys, was in a more childish form , also sent to NCC. They are also now really relaxed.
And Cosmodrift:
U have my full respect, like everyone who runs the daily work.
But why they hire only morons in the managment ??
No raise no bonus. Prices up everywhere. Time to go.
My stressfactor is 0.
I don't even think about the BS-company. They dig their own hole.
Keep discovering
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H3DXB was talking about experience requirements for Maintenance Engineers not flt crew. The experience requirement has come down from Engineers having 10 years signing with at least 2 types EK operate to 5 years and no types, i.e 5 years signing on an aircraft EK dont fly. This has occured over last 3 years. Number of Europeans, Aussies, Kiwis, North Americans who have arrived has probably been matched by the number who have left, replaced by people with less experience from countries with less stringent licensing and training requirements. You guys see the logs and the people each day on line so you would be better judges on whether the service has improved or is worse. Frankly eng. management appear similar to Flt ops management, MEL DD's hit new heights recently and the Teddy went out the cot big time, answer, we are not working hard enough or smart enough!! I would like to offer that more aircraft, less engineers, less mechanics = more MEL DD's. Or 7 or 8 daily check aircraft per 12 hour shift at 1 1/2 hours per daily = no time to work MEL DD's/ questionable whether enough time for daily checks? This is up from 4-5 aircraft per engineer less than 2 years ago. Avionics engineers are allocated anywhere between 13 and 18 aircraft so please don't be surprised if you cant get an electrician at the last minute, it's a big airport!!
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Ha
Greenies - always making excuses
Joking a little. Whygaf You are totally right, the corners are being cut all over the place. I work just up the road and we have an abundance of the wobbly ones. 
I, for one care; thats why I do gaf. Good luck 
Joking a little. Whygaf You are totally right, the corners are being cut all over the place. I work just up the road and we have an abundance of the wobbly ones. I, for one care; thats why I do gaf. Good luck
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One good thing about the internet is that it allows communication that previously would be impossible...
To our maintenance brethren I do hope they realize that the flight deck do very much appreciate them and realize they are under the same bunch of tyrants we are, squeezing them for more productivity...
I think the only reason EK gets away with their present maintenance practices (referring to the skimpy rostering, etc) is due to the young age of their fleet. The problem will rise exponentially as the fleet grows and ages at the same time. If they continue to cut resources when they should be expanding them to match, the writing is on the wall. It ain't rocket science...
To our maintenance brethren I do hope they realize that the flight deck do very much appreciate them and realize they are under the same bunch of tyrants we are, squeezing them for more productivity...
I think the only reason EK gets away with their present maintenance practices (referring to the skimpy rostering, etc) is due to the young age of their fleet. The problem will rise exponentially as the fleet grows and ages at the same time. If they continue to cut resources when they should be expanding them to match, the writing is on the wall. It ain't rocket science...
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Unfortunetly the above table is not giving me the full picture as everyone who is anyone can just select an option hence the data is not substanial evidence to what is actually happeneing. Why not put a password or something applicable only to EK staff that would be better presentation.As with every thing else in life stress is part of the equation, you can not rule it out.
While most of you guys in EK are wining just think of the others who are sitting at home with loads of debts on their head. How really stressful can it be for them. So thank your God or your lucky stars for what you have got.
While most of you guys in EK are wining just think of the others who are sitting at home with loads of debts on their head. How really stressful can it be for them. So thank your God or your lucky stars for what you have got.
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Hi Jet II
"jibba - old news and has been done to death several times.
Oh and dont believe everything you read in the papers"
Oh well..don't believe eveything you read in PPrune either but where there's smoke there's usually fire
Quit your Jibba Jabba!
"jibba - old news and has been done to death several times.
Oh and dont believe everything you read in the papers"
Oh well..don't believe eveything you read in PPrune either but where there's smoke there's usually fire
Quit your Jibba Jabba!
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Unfortunetly the above table is not giving me the full picture as everyone who is anyone can just select an option hence the data is not substanial evidence to what is actually happeneing. Why not put a password or something applicable only to EK staff that would be better presentation.As with every thing else in life stress is part of the equation, you can not rule it out.
While most of you guys in EK are wining just think of the others who are sitting at home with loads of debts on their head. How really stressful can it be for them. So thank your God or your lucky stars for what you have got.
While most of you guys in EK are wining just think of the others who are sitting at home with loads of debts on their head. How really stressful can it be for them. So thank your God or your lucky stars for what you have got.
My apologies if I am off-limits !
Take Care !
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Superman-32 And Edforce 1
Our hearts and best wishes go all the way for you guys. At Ek most of us have been in your situation many times and we know where you all are coming
from.
This poll was for EK guys only as it states before you vote. There is absolutely no need for passwords if you can read simple english.
Stress is part of daily life and we have no problems dealing with it. This thread is dealing with STRESS AT EK and not personal stress. Kupish.
Most guys in Dubai are under more financial stress than you guys can ever concieve because of the financial downturn and the fictitious dubai economy
from.
This poll was for EK guys only as it states before you vote. There is absolutely no need for passwords if you can read simple english.
Stress is part of daily life and we have no problems dealing with it. This thread is dealing with STRESS AT EK and not personal stress. Kupish.
Most guys in Dubai are under more financial stress than you guys can ever concieve because of the financial downturn and the fictitious dubai economy
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Given that EK provide housing, utilities (yes I know it doesn't cover the swimming pool heating now), transport, first class medical, private school fees etc.
I dont quite see where all this financial stress comes from.
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Haha Reality
Jet II,
Just to get things straight by housing you mean accomodation different to what was promised in the interview, also by utilities you mean a cap different to what was written into the non existent contract,
So next time I need a ride to the supermarket I can call EK transport for a lift, as opposed to just getting a ride to/from the airport for duty as per the UAE labour law.
When you say First class medical I assume you mean just the GCAA term of first class medical because where I came from this is far from first class medical coverage! Finally the last time I checked back home I didn't need to pay school fees to have reasonable education for my child.
Yeah yeah i dont pay income tax but the indirect taxes here are getting pretty close to the sh!te i had to pay back home so what am I really getting for my AED?
IH
Just to get things straight by housing you mean accomodation different to what was promised in the interview, also by utilities you mean a cap different to what was written into the non existent contract,
So next time I need a ride to the supermarket I can call EK transport for a lift, as opposed to just getting a ride to/from the airport for duty as per the UAE labour law.
When you say First class medical I assume you mean just the GCAA term of first class medical because where I came from this is far from first class medical coverage! Finally the last time I checked back home I didn't need to pay school fees to have reasonable education for my child.
Yeah yeah i dont pay income tax but the indirect taxes here are getting pretty close to the sh!te i had to pay back home so what am I really getting for my AED?
IH
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IH - yes we can all whinge about life - but where's the financial stress?
I know guys back in Europe who have had pay cuts and are reduced time who at the end of the month have mortgage bills dropping on the mat, ever increasing utility bills, bills for running 2 cars as they have to get themselves to work, bills for private medical as the NHS is so crap, schools fee's as they dont want to send their kids to the local comp - and all this out of earnings that are taxed at over 50%
Now that is financial stress.
I know guys back in Europe who have had pay cuts and are reduced time who at the end of the month have mortgage bills dropping on the mat, ever increasing utility bills, bills for running 2 cars as they have to get themselves to work, bills for private medical as the NHS is so crap, schools fee's as they dont want to send their kids to the local comp - and all this out of earnings that are taxed at over 50%
Now that is financial stress.
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Hey Jet II
It's not worth my while to comment on your querry about financial stress.You sound like a BA engineer who wants to hangout with the cool dudes.So there
Just remember guys here at EK have already jumped the european/american or where ever hoops before they end up here, and have already gone through the growing pains that you mention in your post.
Just remember guys here at EK have already jumped the european/american or where ever hoops before they end up here, and have already gone through the growing pains that you mention in your post.
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