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We at "Fleet" have decided that you should concentrate on getting in your jammies and staying out of the way till your called upon for duty.
Please dont do things that would require you to think too much as it might wind you up before you get in the bunk. As well no cookies or chocolates before bunk time because you might have nightmares about things like having me as "head knob of trivial affairs".
Make sure you go pee-pee as well before so you dont wet the bed and also there are no monsters in the other bunks.
In fact just stay out of the whole process until you magically awake hours later feeling refreshed and happy.....
So much for commanders delegation of duties to the crew (FOM CH14, pg 11). Way to micro-manage from behind the desk.
"sink rate"
Please dont do things that would require you to think too much as it might wind you up before you get in the bunk. As well no cookies or chocolates before bunk time because you might have nightmares about things like having me as "head knob of trivial affairs".
Make sure you go pee-pee as well before so you dont wet the bed and also there are no monsters in the other bunks.
In fact just stay out of the whole process until you magically awake hours later feeling refreshed and happy.....
So much for commanders delegation of duties to the crew (FOM CH14, pg 11). Way to micro-manage from behind the desk.
"sink rate"
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But , the augment crew is to be ready for sleep and NOT to operate. So if there is a last min crew change they cant use them as operating crew. Ya stay out of the way but dont you dare sit in the cabin.
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And remember, uniform standards-always ties on in public, no rolled up sleeves, hats on, gotta look professional, blah blah. But okay walking down the aisles looking like Papa Smurf with "Emirates Crew" emblazoned across the back. Now that's a professional look that any EK manager can be proud. Next edict for augmenting crew-No other attire, other than EKs professional, high quality jammies are to be worn. No golf pullovers, no jumpers, etc.
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The augment policy is simply a "no respect for the employee" scheme. And deliberately so. Even the clowns down the road have 5 Y-seats where you can go out of the working crews way. And by that I mean the tech crew, galley operators, station personnel at the door, and even the passengers. We are simply in every one's way up there and distracting heavily. Even worse now that we are not allowed to help. But that's just a legal FCI, as to please the investigators. As augmenting crew we are to be invisible. Only when battling our way through 350 passengers, in a outfit merely suitable for the next gay parade, only then we are visible: "Just follow the queers with the cute nighty-night costumes, Osama, they'll lead you right up to the flight deck."
No respect for the employee is the subject.
It comes to no surprise that the treatment endured is given back by the victims. A recent experience as SLF (not recognised as crew) was very revelatory, the cabin crew were not rude, but simply robotic and absent minded, visibly fatigued and couldn't care less. Lots of flight deck operate in the same way, only to the book, robotic and quite inefficient. We lose a lot of money, unneccessarily, that way.
It is a human constant: We work the way we get treated.
No respect for the employee is the subject.
It comes to no surprise that the treatment endured is given back by the victims. A recent experience as SLF (not recognised as crew) was very revelatory, the cabin crew were not rude, but simply robotic and absent minded, visibly fatigued and couldn't care less. Lots of flight deck operate in the same way, only to the book, robotic and quite inefficient. We lose a lot of money, unneccessarily, that way.
It is a human constant: We work the way we get treated.
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Take a deep breath....
and relax ladies!
The avalanche of FCI/FCNs, the grasping at straws by managers who have not moved an EK aircraft one solitary CENTIMETER, and the propaganda you are inundated with on a daily basis via the management-by-email portal, need to be taken in the context in which they are issued.
We all know that when it comes to our professional standards and sensibilities, the best person we can rely upon at EK is the professional pilot(s) sitting to the right/left/behind us in the pointy end of the high-speed aluminum tube.
Let them issue their random edicts, let them prattle on, let them show how totally impotent, craven, and completely out of touch they are. It is of no consequence.
Utilize your fellow crew members as you best see fit. Take care of each other, fly safely, and most of all, try and have some fun. We're flying jets (really big and cool looking ones at that). This is something the great un-winged masses hold in total respect, awe, and in the case of EK management, malignant envy.
I totally agree that we are dealing with individuals who either have lost the plot, or were never really worthy of their positions of authority and influence.
.....But.....
Be that as it may, we have only ourselves to rely upon. So don't let management drive even the tiniest of wedges between us.
In the words of Rufus: "BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER!"
Take care of the folks in back who put everything they have, or ever hope to have, in your skilled hands, and enjoy this ride for what it IS, not what it should/could be.
Stand Fast Gentlemen! I am proud to be in the ranks amongst you!
Semper Fi,
ANFA out..
The avalanche of FCI/FCNs, the grasping at straws by managers who have not moved an EK aircraft one solitary CENTIMETER, and the propaganda you are inundated with on a daily basis via the management-by-email portal, need to be taken in the context in which they are issued.
We all know that when it comes to our professional standards and sensibilities, the best person we can rely upon at EK is the professional pilot(s) sitting to the right/left/behind us in the pointy end of the high-speed aluminum tube.
Let them issue their random edicts, let them prattle on, let them show how totally impotent, craven, and completely out of touch they are. It is of no consequence.
Utilize your fellow crew members as you best see fit. Take care of each other, fly safely, and most of all, try and have some fun. We're flying jets (really big and cool looking ones at that). This is something the great un-winged masses hold in total respect, awe, and in the case of EK management, malignant envy.
I totally agree that we are dealing with individuals who either have lost the plot, or were never really worthy of their positions of authority and influence.
.....But.....
Be that as it may, we have only ourselves to rely upon. So don't let management drive even the tiniest of wedges between us.
In the words of Rufus: "BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER!"
Take care of the folks in back who put everything they have, or ever hope to have, in your skilled hands, and enjoy this ride for what it IS, not what it should/could be.
Stand Fast Gentlemen! I am proud to be in the ranks amongst you!
Semper Fi,
ANFA out..
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All well and good Major, but when it comes to our upgrades and PPCs and line checks, we had best know every little FCI/FCN and change to the ever changing FOM or OM-whatever this week. Lest you will find yourself with several well known TREs that have memorized every dot and dishdash of said documents and will grade you accordingly. Here, as long as nothing gets dinged up, it's not how you fly, or conduct CRM, but how well you know (re. memorise) the books. Some (and I say just few) TREs seem to make up with "book" knowledge what they lack in real world experience. You know that. However in the real world, your post makes an outstanding point IMHO.
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Well hell Panther - if the TRIs and TREs can remember every little dash and dot then I'm sure you can!!
Or can't you? Don't you go to bed and read the FCOMs before turning the light out? Shame on you!!
Or can't you? Don't you go to bed and read the FCOMs before turning the light out? Shame on you!!
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What was I thinking when I wrote that. Of course I should be memorising all said documents. Actually, downroute is when I should always hit the books. I should be heating up my cup'o'noodles and studying every minute. But then I will probably be grounded due to high blood pressure. Can't win for losing.
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What`s in the picture?
Are the gentlemen all excited about the new "manual insertion tool" they have been issued, to be used in the bunk before going to rest?
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Yep, so as an augmenter, you have to sit in the flight deck and get in the way of things, have a nap on the taxi and climb out, then go to the bunk, but you can't be used at all until it's your turn to come on duty.
FN bloody stupid!!!!!
I can now see why the augmenting guys on the MEL flight didn't get asked to leave as well.
FN bloody stupid!!!!!
I can now see why the augmenting guys on the MEL flight didn't get asked to leave as well.
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Come on this is a knee jerk to the MEL incident, someone (CASA or ATSB maybe) has identified that there is a rest plan authorised by the company and as such the company cannot BLAME the augmenting crew in MEL.
So now they Kneejerk and come out with another crap FCI
So now they Kneejerk and come out with another crap FCI
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Crew Rest Location
If the clowns had allowed the flight crew rest compartment to remain in its original location and configuration then the augmenting crew would be able to scurry away and read the paper without being in anyones way prior to departure. They could return to the flight deck once the operating Captain has given the go ahead to close doors.
Funny how simple ignorance leads to poor decisions that can cause repercussions down the line that managers just cannot see because they have no relevant experience in the field.
Funny how simple ignorance leads to poor decisions that can cause repercussions down the line that managers just cannot see because they have no relevant experience in the field.
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I have to admit that the aft torpedo tube on the 777 is not ideal. If they (or TC) had stuck with the Boeing standard crew rest, the augmenting crew could be out of the way during the busy pre-flight and pre-start time, and even for the takeoff. (I understand the standard crew rest seats are certified for use during takeoff and landing.)
However, from what the Whale crews tell me, the 777's aft torpedo tube is loooxurry compared with the poorly sound insulated play pen they've been saddled with in the middle of the Whale's Economy cabin.
However, from what the Whale crews tell me, the 777's aft torpedo tube is loooxurry compared with the poorly sound insulated play pen they've been saddled with in the middle of the Whale's Economy cabin.
