New housing policy in Qatarairways?
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Qatar Airways should e-mail all the pilots that will be affected by the housing situation and let them know in advance what is really happening and what can they expect once they land in Doha.
What are their options? are the apartments only temporary?, how long they expect the pilots to be there?, are they prepared to offer a rental allowance so the pilot can look for his own accommodation?
Let the pilots decide what they want to do, is better to do it now than letting the rumor spread all over the place.
What are their options? are the apartments only temporary?, how long they expect the pilots to be there?, are they prepared to offer a rental allowance so the pilot can look for his own accommodation?
Let the pilots decide what they want to do, is better to do it now than letting the rumor spread all over the place.
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What you should do before joining:
1) Contact whatever person you have been dealing with in HR. Use the coordinates of the person wo send you the joboffer!
2)As him/her to clarify the situation in writing to you. If this seems to be impossible to obtain,ask the coordinates of his/her manager so you can contact HR directly. But remembre, you WANT something in writing. Ad Verbum means nothing in this part of the world!
3) If this does not work, contact Mr J.Gonzales on [email protected]. He is the flight ops admin manager and he is in charge of pilot welfare. If he can not help you, nobody can! He is not our biggest fan but I am sure if you annoy him long enough, he will make sure the person responsible will deal with you!
This housing thing seems to be all messed up so especially for the pilots on the verge of moving here, everything should be cleared out before making the move!
Stand up for your rights! It is not because at EK everything is going down the drain, the same should happen overhere!
1) Contact whatever person you have been dealing with in HR. Use the coordinates of the person wo send you the joboffer!
2)As him/her to clarify the situation in writing to you. If this seems to be impossible to obtain,ask the coordinates of his/her manager so you can contact HR directly. But remembre, you WANT something in writing. Ad Verbum means nothing in this part of the world!
3) If this does not work, contact Mr J.Gonzales on [email protected]. He is the flight ops admin manager and he is in charge of pilot welfare. If he can not help you, nobody can! He is not our biggest fan but I am sure if you annoy him long enough, he will make sure the person responsible will deal with you!
This housing thing seems to be all messed up so especially for the pilots on the verge of moving here, everything should be cleared out before making the move!
Stand up for your rights! It is not because at EK everything is going down the drain, the same should happen overhere!
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The housing policy in QR has never been adequate anyway.
We have single captain in Villa, and F/O with family and kids in 2/3 bedroom flat desperated to have a villa.
And if they asked to swap; the standard answer in Q.R: "not allowed"!
Pilots with family should be given a villa, Single pilots should be given a flat;that's it.
We have single captain in Villa, and F/O with family and kids in 2/3 bedroom flat desperated to have a villa.
And if they asked to swap; the standard answer in Q.R: "not allowed"!
Pilots with family should be given a villa, Single pilots should be given a flat;that's it.
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United2009,
if you read between the lines I would say that P.C. was exactly saying that! He is asking all the new joiners to flood your friend JG with mails so he finally does what he is is OVERpaid for!
I agree totally with LOC: PILOTS with family should get a villa, pilots without villa an appartement! Has got nothing to do with being Capt or FO! But it seems like no villas are being given anymore!
So the Doha rental market prices are going down but still HR opts to annoy the pilots by, once more, unilaterally changing the housing policy? While they offered villas of 15000QR/month the last 3 years, nowadays when a villa costs 12000QR they refuse the same?
Sounds once more like a cocked up policy from an overly active HR manager trying to score with the big boss. Or is it RF again, just copying the new housing policies at EK and EY blindly, just for the sake of it!
QR has a chance during this crisis to surpass their main competitors, to become the best employer in the region and to successfully stock up on pilots for when the market picks up again (first signs of recovery passed us already). But the HR dictatorship apparently has decided otherwise...
The chief maybe should start considering that his whole HR department might be staffed by EK/EY spies, trying to bring down QR from the inside! Because that is exactly what they are doing at the moment!
if you read between the lines I would say that P.C. was exactly saying that! He is asking all the new joiners to flood your friend JG with mails so he finally does what he is is OVERpaid for!
I agree totally with LOC: PILOTS with family should get a villa, pilots without villa an appartement! Has got nothing to do with being Capt or FO! But it seems like no villas are being given anymore!
So the Doha rental market prices are going down but still HR opts to annoy the pilots by, once more, unilaterally changing the housing policy? While they offered villas of 15000QR/month the last 3 years, nowadays when a villa costs 12000QR they refuse the same?
Sounds once more like a cocked up policy from an overly active HR manager trying to score with the big boss. Or is it RF again, just copying the new housing policies at EK and EY blindly, just for the sake of it!
QR has a chance during this crisis to surpass their main competitors, to become the best employer in the region and to successfully stock up on pilots for when the market picks up again (first signs of recovery passed us already). But the HR dictatorship apparently has decided otherwise...
The chief maybe should start considering that his whole HR department might be staffed by EK/EY spies, trying to bring down QR from the inside! Because that is exactly what they are doing at the moment!
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familly ,kids ....
O yea what about my 4 wifes ? Maybe i dont want to have kids but i want 4 wifes man thats why i need 4 bedroom villa.
No Capt getting villa and F/O 3 bedroom apartment why not ?
In any country F/o cant aford more then 3 bedroom apartment with his income and 3 bedroom for couple with 2 kids is ok arent we majority lived back home in smaller or same apartments.
In pilots job beeing single or married is variable we all change this situation few times that means every time i devorce i go to small box and then i bring new wife and make kid move to villa ? 80 % pilots are in 2nd merrige.
No Capt getting villa and F/O 3 bedroom apartment why not ?
In any country F/o cant aford more then 3 bedroom apartment with his income and 3 bedroom for couple with 2 kids is ok arent we majority lived back home in smaller or same apartments.
In pilots job beeing single or married is variable we all change this situation few times that means every time i devorce i go to small box and then i bring new wife and make kid move to villa ? 80 % pilots are in 2nd merrige.
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I can see where you are coming from mate...
So far the "UNITED" part in your nickname.
Why is it than that in EK, until 6 months ago, an FO without kids got an apartment and an FO with kids got a villa. Ok, this villa was smaller than a villa for a skipper with kids, but it still was a villa!
All that people are saying here is that it is absolutely obscene and selfish that we have captains, who are single, living in a 4 bedroom villa just because they sit on the left seat in the pointy tube! BS!
And on top of it they rent out 3 rooms to other pilots for about 5000QAR/room. Great, him and his buddies make lots of money. But at the same time next door is an FO living in a 3 bedroom app with 4 kids!
So far for solidarity, social feeling and fairness!
Maybe you are one of the lost souls who feel they are too good to live in an appartement because of some sort of a position you most probably achieved by mere luck?
4 chips on your shoulder and scrambled eggs on your hat do not give you the right to boast an unlimited ego my friend!
And your remark about FOs not being able to afford a villa....CRAP! The difference in housing allowance is 2000QAR! That's how much more value the company gives to a skipper compared to the CM2 in terms of housing. That's exactly what I pay my maid per month! Think about that next time you think you are the world's best aviator!
By the way UNITEDbro, how did the RELTA test go?
So far the "UNITED" part in your nickname.
Why is it than that in EK, until 6 months ago, an FO without kids got an apartment and an FO with kids got a villa. Ok, this villa was smaller than a villa for a skipper with kids, but it still was a villa!
All that people are saying here is that it is absolutely obscene and selfish that we have captains, who are single, living in a 4 bedroom villa just because they sit on the left seat in the pointy tube! BS!
And on top of it they rent out 3 rooms to other pilots for about 5000QAR/room. Great, him and his buddies make lots of money. But at the same time next door is an FO living in a 3 bedroom app with 4 kids!
So far for solidarity, social feeling and fairness!
Maybe you are one of the lost souls who feel they are too good to live in an appartement because of some sort of a position you most probably achieved by mere luck?
4 chips on your shoulder and scrambled eggs on your hat do not give you the right to boast an unlimited ego my friend!
And your remark about FOs not being able to afford a villa....CRAP! The difference in housing allowance is 2000QAR! That's how much more value the company gives to a skipper compared to the CM2 in terms of housing. That's exactly what I pay my maid per month! Think about that next time you think you are the world's best aviator!
By the way UNITEDbro, how did the RELTA test go?
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Housing drama
The whole new housing issue came up because QR doesnt want to pay the price that Ain Khaled gate requires for thiers new villas in phase two. So thier option is put them in the 3 bedroom till the villas already leased open up based on attrition. The 3 bedrooms flats cost 9500QR so they pocket the other 2500.
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EK ? Is that airline which is run by BRitish and Australians ? Or is the airline which just sinking and people are on unpayed leave ?
What about option which many Capt did ? Leave familly in some better country ( home) . At home most of Capt still have loans for house or renting the place . In Doha they save some money and send it home to pay same housing ? It is youre option to bring familly or leave it at home.
You want to have both ? pay . If you want to save sufffer ! choice
If you start to reduce benifits for single pilots you will have resignations and you will have people getting fake wedding certificate and getting what they want .
What about option which many Capt did ? Leave familly in some better country ( home) . At home most of Capt still have loans for house or renting the place . In Doha they save some money and send it home to pay same housing ? It is youre option to bring familly or leave it at home.
You want to have both ? pay . If you want to save sufffer ! choice
If you start to reduce benifits for single pilots you will have resignations and you will have people getting fake wedding certificate and getting what they want .
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Lets start with this single /married :
Lets put all married pilots on A320 since A320 roster dont have many overnights and they want to be at home most of time with there familly.
Lets increase salary of single pilots : as single pilot has more time to operate on days off and can work more, and single pilot when he has leave use only one anual ticket or ID90 while married with familly sometimes 4 tickets ( woops there Rosmery can save money for airline)
Single pilot has only one alianz card marriied sometimes 4-6 (woops another saving for Rosmery)
Single pilot can operate all the time like a mashine while married must see wife and kids and if he dont he will cry and say he is not happy with roster should they hire only single pilots ?
Its all a joke what i say but dont play with single and married as ailrine might see what is more cheap for them .
Close youre mouth when you see next house single pilot saving money for hime self it is his buisness .
Lets put all married pilots on A320 since A320 roster dont have many overnights and they want to be at home most of time with there familly.
Lets increase salary of single pilots : as single pilot has more time to operate on days off and can work more, and single pilot when he has leave use only one anual ticket or ID90 while married with familly sometimes 4 tickets ( woops there Rosmery can save money for airline)
Single pilot has only one alianz card marriied sometimes 4-6 (woops another saving for Rosmery)
Single pilot can operate all the time like a mashine while married must see wife and kids and if he dont he will cry and say he is not happy with roster should they hire only single pilots ?
Its all a joke what i say but dont play with single and married as ailrine might see what is more cheap for them .
Close youre mouth when you see next house single pilot saving money for hime self it is his buisness .
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What the hell are you talking about? Such gibberish indicates the level ...... No wonder we don't get a pay rise! 
And before you rant about the 'BRitish' and the Australians, check who is in charge of the lot of them.
Pupy???? Judging by the lack of English comprehension and execution, no wonder this Airline is going to the dogs.
And before you rant about the 'BRitish' and the Australians, check who is in charge of the lot of them.Pupy???? Judging by the lack of English comprehension and execution, no wonder this Airline is going to the dogs.
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QR UNITED: everybody got his own problem, in UAE it's a "sinking" airline, in Qatar it's a sinking airport..
(this cost another 1BILLION U$ to qatar airways just to build up (another temporary) terminal on the east apron to cope with this new delay.
(And let's be careful about propaganda...Except from the CEO, nobody knowns today the economic situation of Qatar Airways.....).
(this cost another 1BILLION U$ to qatar airways just to build up (another temporary) terminal on the east apron to cope with this new delay.(And let's be careful about propaganda...Except from the CEO, nobody knowns today the economic situation of Qatar Airways.....).
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United and pupy,
are you brothers? Lovers?
What a ****** up mentality boys. Honestly! Continue like this and I will start to support the company with their crazy housing policy.
I guess one can not hide his background....
And pupyboy, you can bet your ass on it that next time I will see someone making a business on the back of all others (e.g pilots) I will NOT shut my mouth anymore! As it is NOT HIS own business, it affects us all! Do you think the company does not know about this? Do you think they do not see it as an abuse of a privilege given to someone?
You want to have a business, fine, go and have one out of my line of sight! But I will not allow your dodgy business to jeopardise my well-being and my chance on descent accommodation!
You selfish B******D
are you brothers? Lovers?
What a ****** up mentality boys. Honestly! Continue like this and I will start to support the company with their crazy housing policy.
I guess one can not hide his background....
And pupyboy, you can bet your ass on it that next time I will see someone making a business on the back of all others (e.g pilots) I will NOT shut my mouth anymore! As it is NOT HIS own business, it affects us all! Do you think the company does not know about this? Do you think they do not see it as an abuse of a privilege given to someone?
You want to have a business, fine, go and have one out of my line of sight! But I will not allow your dodgy business to jeopardise my well-being and my chance on descent accommodation!
You selfish B******D
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Come ST, dont bother with the company idiots. Back to earth boys, its seems the only solution that i see the company doing is going back to offering housing allowance. At Qr rate of growth somethings gotta give.
If they had any brains they would increase the allowance at least to the level of the current matket rates(decent stuff) and downsize on the huge housing department and all its managers.
If they had any brains they would increase the allowance at least to the level of the current matket rates(decent stuff) and downsize on the huge housing department and all its managers.