Hours building in the UAE
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Hours building in the UAE
Does anybody know whether it's possible to do some hour building in the UAE?
I need to do about 100 hrs IFR,and the first idea was to go to the states,but that means I have to do the FAA IR,which I really don't feel like (even tho it would be quite fast having already an IR).
how does it work in the UAE,will my JAA CPL IR be accepted to fly around IFR?
any good schools there and/or aircraft rentals?
thanks to all for the answers
I need to do about 100 hrs IFR,and the first idea was to go to the states,but that means I have to do the FAA IR,which I really don't feel like (even tho it would be quite fast having already an IR).
how does it work in the UAE,will my JAA CPL IR be accepted to fly around IFR?
any good schools there and/or aircraft rentals?
thanks to all for the answers
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Plane rental is expensive.
Most of the airspace is restricted.
Not sure for IFR, but VFR traffic is restricted flying into Dubai during certain time periods.
Its also really hot during summer.
You will require security clearance, which requires a residence visa
Your license will need to be validated, which requires you to write air-law. Very difficult to get the air law syllabus.
I am planning in doing half my hour building in SA and the other half in the U.S., more to see and a whole lot friendlier
If you still want to try:
Fujairah Aviation Academy, They have C172S's and a DA20 and DA60.
Umm al Quain Flying Club, have C172 not sure if its the R or S model.
Most of the airspace is restricted.
Not sure for IFR, but VFR traffic is restricted flying into Dubai during certain time periods.
Its also really hot during summer.
You will require security clearance, which requires a residence visa
Your license will need to be validated, which requires you to write air-law. Very difficult to get the air law syllabus.
I am planning in doing half my hour building in SA and the other half in the U.S., more to see and a whole lot friendlier
If you still want to try:
Fujairah Aviation Academy, They have C172S's and a DA20 and DA60.
Umm al Quain Flying Club, have C172 not sure if its the R or S model.
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Well mutt,
As far as my info goes, the serious guys are getting pretty faster than the dumb ones, even though there were delays in the first batch as the school was getting setup. I have heard about many conversion cases getting done along with a guy needing about 50 hours to make it upto 270TT to be eligible SV Cadetship. He got done in about 25 days.
CBAFIL
As far as my info goes, the serious guys are getting pretty faster than the dumb ones, even though there were delays in the first batch as the school was getting setup. I have heard about many conversion cases getting done along with a guy needing about 50 hours to make it upto 270TT to be eligible SV Cadetship. He got done in about 25 days.
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Rabigh Wings in Jeddah! Who exactly are these guys, it's the first I've ever heard of them? Would love to hear more.
I tried to hire a 172 recently in the UAE. The quote I had was US$400 an hour with an instructor. The aeroplane was AOG anyway.
You could always try the Dubai Flying Association, who have a nice IF equipped Cherokee 180. I have the contact details somewhere. They have flown their aircraft all over the Gulf and would love new members - few people know about them and they have Shk Ahmed as their benefactor.
Otherwise South Africa remains one of the least expensive places to build hours and it's a big country with lots of airfields, friendly flying community and as yet, few annoying security issues.
I tried to hire a 172 recently in the UAE. The quote I had was US$400 an hour with an instructor. The aeroplane was AOG anyway.
You could always try the Dubai Flying Association, who have a nice IF equipped Cherokee 180. I have the contact details somewhere. They have flown their aircraft all over the Gulf and would love new members - few people know about them and they have Shk Ahmed as their benefactor.
Otherwise South Africa remains one of the least expensive places to build hours and it's a big country with lots of airfields, friendly flying community and as yet, few annoying security issues.
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Check out Rabigh Wings Flight School :: مدرسة أجنحة رابغ للطيران
CBAFIL, you are talking about individuals, what about the majority? Has ANYONE completed the course and received a GACA licence?
Mutt
CBAFIL, you are talking about individuals, what about the majority? Has ANYONE completed the course and received a GACA licence?
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Do Saudi Airlines only accept saudi nationals from rabigh wings as cadet pilots, or are they willing to accept foreigners who graduate from rabigh wings. Also , what is the total cost of flight training ar rabigh wings?
P.S. Mutt : Which airline do you fly for and on what type?
Thanks.
P.S. Mutt : Which airline do you fly for and on what type?
Thanks.
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What have Saudi Airlines got to do it Rabigh Wings?
Cadet positions are only for Saudi nationals, regardless of which school they came from. Expats accepted with experience.
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Cadet positions are only for Saudi nationals, regardless of which school they came from. Expats accepted with experience.
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Former Rabigh Wings Flight Instructor.
Hello all,
My name is Jesse and I am a former Rabigh Wings Flight Instructor. I strongly recommend that you reconsider going to Rabigh Wings flight school for your flight training. I believe that another flight school is opening in Riyadh soon. I'd strongly recommend that any students that wish to do their training in KSA wait for the school to open in Riyadh, or seek their flight credentials elsewhere. Please e-mail me any of your questions and I would be more than happy to help you.
Jesse Holmes, CFII
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My name is Jesse and I am a former Rabigh Wings Flight Instructor. I strongly recommend that you reconsider going to Rabigh Wings flight school for your flight training. I believe that another flight school is opening in Riyadh soon. I'd strongly recommend that any students that wish to do their training in KSA wait for the school to open in Riyadh, or seek their flight credentials elsewhere. Please e-mail me any of your questions and I would be more than happy to help you.
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Hey Mutt,
Man, too much to list! In my short 2 month stay as a CFI, I personally witnessed the chief CFI make students perform power on/off stalls and slow flight in the traffic pattern, land and take off on the ramp for "short field" operations, fly airplanes that were significantly overweight (by 400 lbs or 181 kg for you metric guys), I mean, it's a miracle that no one has been killed yet. The students are watching this Chief CFI do this stuff and they are starting to think that's the right way to fly. They're going to start trying to do the things they watch him do and get seriously injured or killed. Rabigh Wings Flight School has some serious problems to overcome before it can be a professional flight training platform. I strongly recommend that anyone interested in learning to fly in KSA wait until the new school in Riyadh opens or try somewhere else. Some of the students have been going to the Philipines for flight training.
Man, too much to list! In my short 2 month stay as a CFI, I personally witnessed the chief CFI make students perform power on/off stalls and slow flight in the traffic pattern, land and take off on the ramp for "short field" operations, fly airplanes that were significantly overweight (by 400 lbs or 181 kg for you metric guys), I mean, it's a miracle that no one has been killed yet. The students are watching this Chief CFI do this stuff and they are starting to think that's the right way to fly. They're going to start trying to do the things they watch him do and get seriously injured or killed. Rabigh Wings Flight School has some serious problems to overcome before it can be a professional flight training platform. I strongly recommend that anyone interested in learning to fly in KSA wait until the new school in Riyadh opens or try somewhere else. Some of the students have been going to the Philipines for flight training.
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So why didnt you report this to the new VP Ops? Capt A.W?
Why did you leave or were you fired?
Do you actually know anything about the new school in Riyadh, or are you just hoping that its better?
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Why did you leave or were you fired?
Do you actually know anything about the new school in Riyadh, or are you just hoping that its better?
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I had a long discussion with most of the management about these occurrences, Capt A.W was included. I'd get the same response from each of them, "We'll have a talk with him."
Captain A.W was also on board that aircraft I previously mentioned to be 400 lbs overweight. Any competent pilot would understand that you can't put 5 people in a Piper Seneca V with full fuel and take off with a density altitude as high as it gets in KSA. If they would have lost one of the engines, all on board that aircraft would have been killed. It's amazing it made it off the ground in the first place. Capt A.W. and Capt Al Sharrif are not professional pilots, they're idiots.
The things I mentioned in my last post are the kinds of things that shouldn't be happening at a flight school. RWFS seems to think that these are appropriate ways to utilize the airplanes and train the students. I was requested to leave when I refused to participate.
I'm back instructing at one of the top Collegiate flight schools in the entire United States. The same one that I left to go instruct at RWFS. I strongly recommend that anyone looking to spend $100K USD for their flight training look to spend it somewhere other than RWFS. You will be disappointed and you definitely won't get your money's worth from the school.
I don't know any information on the new school opening in Riyadh, but there is no way possible it could be worse than RWFS.
Captain A.W was also on board that aircraft I previously mentioned to be 400 lbs overweight. Any competent pilot would understand that you can't put 5 people in a Piper Seneca V with full fuel and take off with a density altitude as high as it gets in KSA. If they would have lost one of the engines, all on board that aircraft would have been killed. It's amazing it made it off the ground in the first place. Capt A.W. and Capt Al Sharrif are not professional pilots, they're idiots.
The things I mentioned in my last post are the kinds of things that shouldn't be happening at a flight school. RWFS seems to think that these are appropriate ways to utilize the airplanes and train the students. I was requested to leave when I refused to participate.
I'm back instructing at one of the top Collegiate flight schools in the entire United States. The same one that I left to go instruct at RWFS. I strongly recommend that anyone looking to spend $100K USD for their flight training look to spend it somewhere other than RWFS. You will be disappointed and you definitely won't get your money's worth from the school.
I don't know any information on the new school opening in Riyadh, but there is no way possible it could be worse than RWFS.
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Oh dear. That sounds really bad. But very plausible.
My opinion: If you're going to spend €80.000 on your pilot-career, then don't be cheap about it. What you might save on the flying-hours is not going to make up for the deficit in skills afterwards. Fail a screening only once, and all the money you may have saved during the training is gone to waste: Let's say you saved US$ 25,000 in training costs, but find yourself unemployed for half a year longer-than-average plus you require four extra-simulator sessions. That will eat up anything you might have previously saved, and still you're only playing 2nd-league.
Once you are in an airline-assessment, when doing your TR on a 737 or 320, and even later during the line-training, it will show very clearly on your performance if you come out of a no-name cheap-cheap flying club, or if you graduated at a professional flight academy.
The airline will not be very pleased if they discover that they still have to teach you the basics of SOPs, handling skills and modern CRM.
Apart from pre-destined training deficits in a place like the one mentioned above: Anybody going to a college or university will know how important it is to chose one with a good reputation. It's going to be part of your CV later on, and it is going to be part of your own reference when looking for your first job.
I'd strongly reccomend you go to a well known school in a country where you also hope to find your first employment.
My opinion: If you're going to spend €80.000 on your pilot-career, then don't be cheap about it. What you might save on the flying-hours is not going to make up for the deficit in skills afterwards. Fail a screening only once, and all the money you may have saved during the training is gone to waste: Let's say you saved US$ 25,000 in training costs, but find yourself unemployed for half a year longer-than-average plus you require four extra-simulator sessions. That will eat up anything you might have previously saved, and still you're only playing 2nd-league.
Once you are in an airline-assessment, when doing your TR on a 737 or 320, and even later during the line-training, it will show very clearly on your performance if you come out of a no-name cheap-cheap flying club, or if you graduated at a professional flight academy.
The airline will not be very pleased if they discover that they still have to teach you the basics of SOPs, handling skills and modern CRM.
Apart from pre-destined training deficits in a place like the one mentioned above: Anybody going to a college or university will know how important it is to chose one with a good reputation. It's going to be part of your CV later on, and it is going to be part of your own reference when looking for your first job.
I'd strongly reccomend you go to a well known school in a country where you also hope to find your first employment.
Last edited by Nightfire; 20th Aug 2009 at 20:50.
