More DEC's for EK
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More DEC's for EK
I just heard news that EK is about to hire 8 DEC's even there are eligible pilots waiting their upgrade. I think this is disaster, why do we have to obey all the rules in our FOM, and management just overruling us all the time. Should there be time to do something about this. Just so frustrated!!!
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If those frustrated First Officers would bother to look at the subject objectively, they would find that hiring DEC's is more cost-effective for the company....especially, if the DEC is already current on type.
However...from some of the posts here it does indeed seem that EK management is far too busy putting out daily fires rather than doing some longer term planning.
However...from some of the posts here it does indeed seem that EK management is far too busy putting out daily fires rather than doing some longer term planning.
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Shame on you 411A! FYI the DEC's are given a "short"transition anyway even if current on type.The cost saving for the company is minimum.
Oh wait a minute,maybe some of your buddies are coming and you'r trying to justify this...
Oh wait a minute,maybe some of your buddies are coming and you'r trying to justify this...
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Bin Liner... haha...
I too would like to find the facts. Any names? At least I can do a proper job at shooting myself in the foot at the EK interview. If it is true I would like to bring that up in the interview and wouldn't care about ruining my chances, because I wouldn't join if this was the case. I think that EK needs to get the message that this will have an impact on their future recruitment drives.
Something fun about sending ones self to the slaughter... haha... Don't care!!!
I too would like to find the facts. Any names? At least I can do a proper job at shooting myself in the foot at the EK interview. If it is true I would like to bring that up in the interview and wouldn't care about ruining my chances, because I wouldn't join if this was the case. I think that EK needs to get the message that this will have an impact on their future recruitment drives.
Something fun about sending ones self to the slaughter... haha... Don't care!!!
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EK could care less how you feel about DEC's. If you cant deal with them dont waste your time or put you family through hell just becauce you wanted to fly a big plane.
Also you might want to have a read of the latest sackings for a number of reasons. You bring that attitude you might find yourself packing your bags at short notice.
Also you might want to have a read of the latest sackings for a number of reasons. You bring that attitude you might find yourself packing your bags at short notice.
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I have one observation and one question relating to the DEC debate. Firstly Emirates have been taking DEC's since the days of the B727, so why would anybody be suprised by the continuation of the policy. Secondly, isn't a transition course much shorter than a full first officer upgrade to captain.
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Dare I say that the B727 days were during the intial start up of a small and not terribly desirable airline. It is true that DEC's have periodically been hired in small numbers, with no affect on upgrades of qualified F/O's until about 2004. Every since then, EK has always had suitable and qualified F/O's able to upgrade, and the company even admitted the policy was based on money/costs. Dumb but true.
Nowadays, every single pilot on the planet who is considering EK, should realize that the DEC policy will certainly make their years at EK less enjoyable.
In answer to your question, yes the DEC course takes less time and costs the company less money in the short term, as compared to upgrading an F/O. But subsequents costs increase because we get a corresponding decrease in the best F/O's applying and DEC's have a higher rate of issues with respect to flight safety and personal issues. The long term affects cannot even be measured.
Even if you disagree with me, it is impossible to deny that the DEC policy is in direct contradiction to the written policy in our FOM. So why the deception? Because EK thinks pilots are stupid and won't comprehend the negatives until they pack up their families and move here......by then it is too late.
I personally know 3 pilots who have been sacked in the last 12 days and in each instance it was an unreasonable response from managment. THINK ABOUT THAT, after you arrive here and your DEC Captain knows less about the aircraft and the operation than you do!
Nowadays, every single pilot on the planet who is considering EK, should realize that the DEC policy will certainly make their years at EK less enjoyable.
In answer to your question, yes the DEC course takes less time and costs the company less money in the short term, as compared to upgrading an F/O. But subsequents costs increase because we get a corresponding decrease in the best F/O's applying and DEC's have a higher rate of issues with respect to flight safety and personal issues. The long term affects cannot even be measured.
Even if you disagree with me, it is impossible to deny that the DEC policy is in direct contradiction to the written policy in our FOM. So why the deception? Because EK thinks pilots are stupid and won't comprehend the negatives until they pack up their families and move here......by then it is too late.
I personally know 3 pilots who have been sacked in the last 12 days and in each instance it was an unreasonable response from managment. THINK ABOUT THAT, after you arrive here and your DEC Captain knows less about the aircraft and the operation than you do!
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To Daviddea or whoever
How can you say the FO's are nor compatible? I have previous command on larger than 737, and waiting my upgrade. Yet more DEC's taken in to the company and I find out that senior FO's are more suitable for the position than most of DEC's. It is not about flying hours... having done this for 20 years years and having 10 000 hours on the logbook. My question is about the morality!
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It is true that DEC's have periodically been hired in small numbers, with no affect on upgrades of qualified F/O's until about 2004
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It is not about flying hours... having done this for 20 years years and having 10 000 hours on the logbook.
Were no other suitable positions available?
First rule when working in the middle east....enter at the position you desire, not what is promised.
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From: Dubai
While you're on the Rumour Buster..........
Take a look at the 12th Jan 2009 where ED says he won't put the flying hours up by 10 hours a month.
Then recall an e-mail sent by the same author on the 10th Feb 2009 advising that ........you guessed it!
SM
Take a look at the 12th Jan 2009 where ED says he won't put the flying hours up by 10 hours a month.
Then recall an e-mail sent by the same author on the 10th Feb 2009 advising that ........you guessed it!
SM
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From: Europe
I remember the (I will not use the banned word) "lady", who replied on the rumor buster , saying that the DEC policy was the way to go for EK in the future. Oops...
Btw it seems that our "lady" finally found the reply button on the mail server.
Well done!!!
Btw it seems that our "lady" finally found the reply button on the mail server.
Well done!!!