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Another Question For TCAS
Got a call from crewing at midday(on my day off).....did nt answer but out of interest called back after 10 mins to see what they wanted (and so I could have my story straight)
"we need you to go to XYZ tonight" was what I was told!!!" we are really stuck and have no one to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Sorry gotta terrible tummy bug!"
Last week while at this farce of a meeting when TCAS was questioned about tiredness/fatigue he replied that "No one could be tired as we have 130 extra pilots sharing the workload"
Maybe someone could relay this story at the meeting and ask him if there are so many guys sitting around why are the controllers calling guys to work on their days off???
LIARS!!!
"we need you to go to XYZ tonight" was what I was told!!!" we are really stuck and have no one to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Sorry gotta terrible tummy bug!"
Last week while at this farce of a meeting when TCAS was questioned about tiredness/fatigue he replied that "No one could be tired as we have 130 extra pilots sharing the workload"
Maybe someone could relay this story at the meeting and ask him if there are so many guys sitting around why are the controllers calling guys to work on their days off???
LIARS!!!
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They pulled the same trick on me, but I just said no.
Apparently, if you chip in, they mark it as "volunteered", and you get no doe! THAT'S the trick. I don't blame them, but the powers above.
Looking at random day's sick list makes me laugh. More and more guys pull in their sickies. Fair enough if it's our only defense.
I think it starts sinkin' in, allthough it will take time for them to admit and make the connection with their infantile management culture.
So, don't give up, keep it up, it's your health, mental and physical.
Apparently, if you chip in, they mark it as "volunteered", and you get no doe! THAT'S the trick. I don't blame them, but the powers above.
Looking at random day's sick list makes me laugh. More and more guys pull in their sickies. Fair enough if it's our only defense.
I think it starts sinkin' in, allthough it will take time for them to admit and make the connection with their infantile management culture.
So, don't give up, keep it up, it's your health, mental and physical.
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Creful guys. The crew controlers are as beat up as we. My advice is be polite, be professional (recorded phone calls), but be firm. Funny, I have friends on reserve this month that have done next to nothing. See, I believe they want to "save" the guys on reserve for disruptions and use AD guys and guys on off days. Of course it's never the "primo" trips that they are looking to crew.
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A friend of mine has just been to his meeting this past week. When the Manchester "event" was discussed someone asked what the situation was with the crew. Ed answered that the situation was still under review.
I'm not sure what they might be 'reviewing' exactly, but the crew were sacked some time ago & remain so. They have both had their appeals against their dismissal heard some 3 weeks ago now.
The same 'Ed' was at the appeal meetings for both the Captain & the F/O. I don't know what was said at the meeting with the Captain, but he remains terminated. The F/O was told by Ed in his meeting that there was no new infomation in his appeal documentation & the appeal was dismissed. He remains terminated & leaves Dubai later this month.
It appears that management are being somewhat "loose" with the truth & I now know that I can't believe anything that was said by management at the commanders conference I attended, or in fact anything they have said since!
Keep discovering.
I'm not sure what they might be 'reviewing' exactly, but the crew were sacked some time ago & remain so. They have both had their appeals against their dismissal heard some 3 weeks ago now.
The same 'Ed' was at the appeal meetings for both the Captain & the F/O. I don't know what was said at the meeting with the Captain, but he remains terminated. The F/O was told by Ed in his meeting that there was no new infomation in his appeal documentation & the appeal was dismissed. He remains terminated & leaves Dubai later this month.
It appears that management are being somewhat "loose" with the truth & I now know that I can't believe anything that was said by management at the commanders conference I attended, or in fact anything they have said since!
Keep discovering.
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Being intimately familiar with one of the cases i can assure you that not only are they being "loose" with the truth in at least one case, they are outright lying in order to make their position look better...take it all with a degree of skepticism.
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Yes they came up with a slide and a google map what actually happened. Not a big deal actually (certainly not compared to MEL).
Now the whole thing gets another dimension if you know this was a training flight for the FO. So this poor guy is SACKED during his initial training for making a mistake which should have been picked up by the trainer?
How LOW can you go EK? Maybe if your training would have been of modern airline standard this one would not have happened.
I tell you, if they would do this to me I would sue them. I hope both guys do it.
What a poor show EK. Fear will never work in the cockpit.
As soon as this economy picks up, I'm outta here. And I will not be the only one.
Now the whole thing gets another dimension if you know this was a training flight for the FO. So this poor guy is SACKED during his initial training for making a mistake which should have been picked up by the trainer?
How LOW can you go EK? Maybe if your training would have been of modern airline standard this one would not have happened.
I tell you, if they would do this to me I would sue them. I hope both guys do it.
What a poor show EK. Fear will never work in the cockpit.
As soon as this economy picks up, I'm outta here. And I will not be the only one.
