Emirates Grows in 2009/New Destinations Merged
Gan only affrd the 12YO stuff myself, 146!
No, it's not just us. There are currently 1700 positions vacant in the business that will NOT be filled. The relevant departments have been told to simply make do with what they've got. As they will be doing their job in an airline that will be 14% bigger with the same staff, it means people doing more work for the same money, just like us.
A scant few months ago, we had the world at our feet.
The world is now very, very different. Did you expect that to happen with NO pain?
No, it's not just us. There are currently 1700 positions vacant in the business that will NOT be filled. The relevant departments have been told to simply make do with what they've got. As they will be doing their job in an airline that will be 14% bigger with the same staff, it means people doing more work for the same money, just like us.
A scant few months ago, we had the world at our feet.
The world is now very, very different. Did you expect that to happen with NO pain?
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Out of 17 AC that SQ planned to park inculde 14 B744 which was going to be phase out by 2011, therefore SQ is only accelerating the retirement of those AC and the other 3 would be the older 777-200A.
However, SQ is taking delivery of A330-300 plus few 777-300ER so it seems that no net loss to the size of its fleet.
However, SQ is taking delivery of A330-300 plus few 777-300ER so it seems that no net loss to the size of its fleet.
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Now that is just false!! Tell me how any other hourly employee will work 14% harder. An engineer, check in agent etc etc may process more but will still work the same number of hours, get the same breaks etc.
How about management?? They will just work 14% more?? The pay difference is almost 20% with the new flying rules so that makes it even worse.
How about management?? They will just work 14% more?? The pay difference is almost 20% with the new flying rules so that makes it even worse.
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Personally i could have lived with and understood the productivity cut, but can see no valid reason for the roster changes. If i do my 80 hours in a month it shouldn't matter one bit or cost the company any money wether i get 15 days off and 7 in a row or not. That is simply someone having a go at pilot's lifestyle with no sound commercial reasoning behind it.
Now that is just false!! Tell me how any other hourly employee will work 14% harder. An engineer, check in agent etc etc may process more but will still work the same number of hours, get the same breaks etc.
Other employees may be SCHEDULED for the same work hours, but what they do in reality is work much harder. The engineers, for instance, have just been put on a much less attractive roster. They are also regularly scheduled for overtime for no extra money, with the payoff SUPPOSED to be exrta time off. Of course they can't actually GET exrta time off, and it lapses after a while.
Even if it were exactley as you say, a check-in operator doing 14% more check-ins is being 14% more productive, and meaning 8 staff can do the job of nine- a dirrect saving.
WE can't increase productivitey in any other way than fly more hours.
I know I sound like a management stooge and I don't want too. I thought the roster changes were exactley the wrong thing to do. Beating down morale with less time off, THEN less money is a combination that may bite them in the a**e, and I would shed no tears if it did.
But the global crisis is real, severe, and hitting Dubai and Emirates as hard as anyone.
If we all have jobs two years from now, with no redundencies and the airline in a position to grow again, I think we can count ourselves lucky.
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Further effects of the productivity raise :
Well just for those aspiring still to join this airline : Upgrades on the Boeing now will take place after minimum 4-5 years after DOJ. That's a minimum and whithout including the usual DECs shafting...On the bus it's even worse.
So remove that quick upgrade of your positive list.
So remove that quick upgrade of your positive list.
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etops777,
i don't know why you didn't read that article carefully about capacity reducing of Singapore Airlines...
but okey, here is the official press release of SIA:
Singapore Airlines -- News Releases
this article says until March 2010, 11% cut of capacity.. it's clear and short.
you still don't believe that they will do it? who cares about new aircraft? (anyway the original theme was downsizeing, not fleet, that was just an example - and a very important part of cutting capacity.)
it seems that with new aircrafts it's still downsize. or, more of them are on arrival later than this year, because of strike at Boeing, slowing at Airbus etc...
on the table in that release you can see detailed capacity and aircraft modifications.
z
i don't know why you didn't read that article carefully about capacity reducing of Singapore Airlines...
but okey, here is the official press release of SIA:
Singapore Airlines -- News Releases
this article says until March 2010, 11% cut of capacity.. it's clear and short.
you still don't believe that they will do it? who cares about new aircraft? (anyway the original theme was downsizeing, not fleet, that was just an example - and a very important part of cutting capacity.)
it seems that with new aircrafts it's still downsize. or, more of them are on arrival later than this year, because of strike at Boeing, slowing at Airbus etc...
on the table in that release you can see detailed capacity and aircraft modifications.
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New Routes
Does anyone know which routes are planned or considered to be introduced by Emirates?
I personally don´t have any information concerning new routes, but believe that the following cities might be an interesting addition to the Emirates network (I estimated the market share of Emirates on similar routes - like Sao Paolo for Buenos Aires -, looked at the seat place available to those destinations on routes from which transit passengers could come from and studied the geographical advantages for Emirates):
By the way: I would be glad to hear your opinion about these route propositions (especially from Emirates employees)
From Dubai (DXB) to:
America:
Buenos Aires 5x weekly; 777-200LR
(to be able to receive those 777-200LR they have of course first to replace them on routes like for example Perth or Beijing which also might run well with 777-300ER instead)
Africa:
Algier 5x weekly; Airbus A330-200
Dakar 3x weekly; Airbus A340-300 (via Abidjan - which would then be offered nonstop)
Luanda 2x weekly; Airbus A330-200
Europe:
Barcelona or Madrid 4x weekly; Airbus A330-200
Oslo)
Australia:
Adelaide 3x weekly; Boeing 777-300ER (via Singapore)
Asia:
Ho Chi Minh City 3x weekly; Boeing 777-300ER
Taipei 4x weekly; Boeing 777-300ER
NOTICE: THESE ROUTES ARE PROPOSITIONS FROM ME AND PROBABLY NOT PLANNED BY EMIRATES!
I personally don´t have any information concerning new routes, but believe that the following cities might be an interesting addition to the Emirates network (I estimated the market share of Emirates on similar routes - like Sao Paolo for Buenos Aires -, looked at the seat place available to those destinations on routes from which transit passengers could come from and studied the geographical advantages for Emirates):
By the way: I would be glad to hear your opinion about these route propositions (especially from Emirates employees)
From Dubai (DXB) to:
America:
Buenos Aires 5x weekly; 777-200LR
(to be able to receive those 777-200LR they have of course first to replace them on routes like for example Perth or Beijing which also might run well with 777-300ER instead)
Africa:
Algier 5x weekly; Airbus A330-200
Dakar 3x weekly; Airbus A340-300 (via Abidjan - which would then be offered nonstop)
Luanda 2x weekly; Airbus A330-200
Europe:
Barcelona or Madrid 4x weekly; Airbus A330-200
Oslo)
Australia:
Adelaide 3x weekly; Boeing 777-300ER (via Singapore)
Asia:
Ho Chi Minh City 3x weekly; Boeing 777-300ER
Taipei 4x weekly; Boeing 777-300ER
NOTICE: THESE ROUTES ARE PROPOSITIONS FROM ME AND PROBABLY NOT PLANNED BY EMIRATES!
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To all the sciolists around who are wasting their time making false statements and stupid judgements and just confusing other people...take a look at this report
The outlook for Middle East airlines in 2009: poised to shine | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation
The outlook for Middle East airlines in 2009: poised to shine | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation
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Vision versus Contract
Emirates: The award winning airline? I rather correct EK blows its own trumpet. EK invests millions into advertisements to get praised to the skies. EK wants to be the No One in the word - exceptional.
Well, Emirates is exceptional but why? Whilst other airlines struggle, Emirates continues to expand.
But why? - A company, at least as we are used to see it in the developed countries with human rights, respects and a democratic leadership, is a complex structure inter alia regulated in contracts. The contract is the basis for two sides, employee and employer, it reflects what is given and taken.
Simplifying the structure of employee´s in colors, we have the cyan´s, the magenta´s and yellow´s but only with all of them on the same strength level we will be able to see the color white.
That´s why we have agreed in a contract: the cyan´s to the magenta´s, the yellow´s to the cyan´s, the yellow´s to the magenta´s.
Whilst big companies are struggle for survival, the situation in Emirates is not critical at all.
·The load factors proceeds would cover all the expenditures.
·The Company has Billons in cash reserves.
·Not a single a/c had to be parked; instead latest from June 2009 on Pilots will be in constant overtime.
But the vision of profit for 2009 set by the EK top management will not be achieved by the end of the year.
The solution: Letter of Contract Adjustment What is a letter of contract adjustment? The basis of a contract is the agreement of at least 2 parties. To cut the story short: One of the major tools of success Emirates is using: The company does not stand to any contract, if they do not have to. As we know this Letter of Contract Adjustment is not an exemption, already common practice. As a reminder:
·Years ago: Salaried leave stipulated by contract had been changed to unsalaried (letter of advice 6 weeks before)
·Regular cutback in the health insurance package
·Accommodation agreed to enlisted pilots before they joined ended up in dreadful temporary accommodation for many month
Emirates are capitalizing on the dependent situation of their Flight Crew. Families moved to Dubai and not everyone because they lost their jobs. Overwhelmed by all the impressing adverts, it bred the faith in a candid Airline; unfortunately it had been a momentous trap.
It is not the ~16% pay cut to compensate for profit; it is the contumelious treatment of a powerful Emirates leadership. It will be not the last decision, as Emirates knows the market situation; now the EK Pilots are double-trapped. The next will be your water- and electricity bills: Emirates will make you paying at the end. And even more of your salary will be returned into the Sheik´s hands
A court case in Dubai against Emirates would end up in a nightmare for the employee and the family. Of course all Europeans would be supported by their respective Country Labor Law which is quite similar in the European Countries and Emirates would lose those cases. Pilots do not want to fight we are enthusiast.
The Airline business behaves like a wave after bad times will be good times, but employee´s and being interested will have learned a lesson.
·Superior appearance- and performance should always create suspiciousness; there are no super heroes but a lot of fraud in the world; Part of Emirates success is that they can treat their personal arbitrarily. At the end Emirates employee´s have no right´s. If you try to argue you are more than welcome to go !
·Audit´s etc, great written OM´s pretend a well structured Airline, but the daily cycle shows that rules will be disobey, (Example. : Req. Min Rest, Max Flight Duty, Expected work on OFF day´s (i.e. Emirates mandatory online home study courses), improper in-flight rest, CPT Discretion, ), and the worst: The chairman of Emirates leads the UAE General Civil Aviation Authority whatever Emirates wants .
·Not mentioning the poor cabin crew at this stage they got blackmailed and threaded. But that is another story.
· It is a clap in the face for all the other airlines. Who treat their employee´s with respect and responibility that someone like Emirates compares its success with them.
·The modern slavery work in the U.A.E, common practice with all the poor workers etc, has found its admittance into Emirates. WELCOME ON BOARD; EMIRATES KEEP DISCOVERING
·If not with EK - AVOID , if with EK - SURVIVE, smiley faces
and leave a.s.a.p
Well, Emirates is exceptional but why? Whilst other airlines struggle, Emirates continues to expand.
But why? - A company, at least as we are used to see it in the developed countries with human rights, respects and a democratic leadership, is a complex structure inter alia regulated in contracts. The contract is the basis for two sides, employee and employer, it reflects what is given and taken.
Simplifying the structure of employee´s in colors, we have the cyan´s, the magenta´s and yellow´s but only with all of them on the same strength level we will be able to see the color white.
That´s why we have agreed in a contract: the cyan´s to the magenta´s, the yellow´s to the cyan´s, the yellow´s to the magenta´s.
Whilst big companies are struggle for survival, the situation in Emirates is not critical at all.
·The load factors proceeds would cover all the expenditures.
·The Company has Billons in cash reserves.
·Not a single a/c had to be parked; instead latest from June 2009 on Pilots will be in constant overtime.
But the vision of profit for 2009 set by the EK top management will not be achieved by the end of the year.
The solution: Letter of Contract Adjustment What is a letter of contract adjustment? The basis of a contract is the agreement of at least 2 parties. To cut the story short: One of the major tools of success Emirates is using: The company does not stand to any contract, if they do not have to. As we know this Letter of Contract Adjustment is not an exemption, already common practice. As a reminder:
·Years ago: Salaried leave stipulated by contract had been changed to unsalaried (letter of advice 6 weeks before)
·Regular cutback in the health insurance package
·Accommodation agreed to enlisted pilots before they joined ended up in dreadful temporary accommodation for many month
Emirates are capitalizing on the dependent situation of their Flight Crew. Families moved to Dubai and not everyone because they lost their jobs. Overwhelmed by all the impressing adverts, it bred the faith in a candid Airline; unfortunately it had been a momentous trap.
It is not the ~16% pay cut to compensate for profit; it is the contumelious treatment of a powerful Emirates leadership. It will be not the last decision, as Emirates knows the market situation; now the EK Pilots are double-trapped. The next will be your water- and electricity bills: Emirates will make you paying at the end. And even more of your salary will be returned into the Sheik´s hands
A court case in Dubai against Emirates would end up in a nightmare for the employee and the family. Of course all Europeans would be supported by their respective Country Labor Law which is quite similar in the European Countries and Emirates would lose those cases. Pilots do not want to fight we are enthusiast.
The Airline business behaves like a wave after bad times will be good times, but employee´s and being interested will have learned a lesson.
·Superior appearance- and performance should always create suspiciousness; there are no super heroes but a lot of fraud in the world; Part of Emirates success is that they can treat their personal arbitrarily. At the end Emirates employee´s have no right´s. If you try to argue you are more than welcome to go !
·Audit´s etc, great written OM´s pretend a well structured Airline, but the daily cycle shows that rules will be disobey, (Example. : Req. Min Rest, Max Flight Duty, Expected work on OFF day´s (i.e. Emirates mandatory online home study courses), improper in-flight rest, CPT Discretion, ), and the worst: The chairman of Emirates leads the UAE General Civil Aviation Authority whatever Emirates wants .
·Not mentioning the poor cabin crew at this stage they got blackmailed and threaded. But that is another story.
· It is a clap in the face for all the other airlines. Who treat their employee´s with respect and responibility that someone like Emirates compares its success with them.
·The modern slavery work in the U.A.E, common practice with all the poor workers etc, has found its admittance into Emirates. WELCOME ON BOARD; EMIRATES KEEP DISCOVERING
·If not with EK - AVOID , if with EK - SURVIVE, smiley faces
and leave a.s.a.p
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SilveR5,
yep, all the people who want to convince others with false statements are just to be ignored.
but to discover that their statements are false, we have to do our own research, based on much more points of view than only one, specially if this point is 2 months old; the economy changes faster than that.
as it was proposed by me and till now nobody resisted, press releases could be considered as PR-glitters; if someone takes a little bit of attention to read between the lines (yes, it's more tiring than simply accept the content) then one can discover interesting things, only 2 example from the article cited by you:
"There is a lot more capacity coming on line in the next 12-18 months. Emirates, Etihad, Qatar Airways and several other operators have large order books and, according to current reports, there is no intention to slow the delivery process."
1., this outview goes far beyond this year; of course, the crisis could be smoothened until mid-2010, as aircraft deliveries can be speeded up again, as well.
nobody (including me as well) said Emirates will suffer deeply until the end of time.
me, personally, i said that for this calendar year, 2009, with the cancelled cabin crew (and apparently pilot) recruiting, delays by Boeing (and probably by Airbus as well) are just facts showing that something restructuring has to be taken at EK, in these (and probably in the forthcoming) months.
and, most important, internal sources such as pilots and cabin crew here and in other threads and forums are saying that a perceptible change is in line at EK.
2., "according to current reports": sparkling, glitter... let's say, in October 2009, "current reports" of december 2008 are still effective? of course not.
it's just an excuse for future questions.
"Emirates, by contrast, is much longer established and without the direct financial support of the Dubai government." - uhm, and what's up with indirect support? deep silence... and i'm not judgeing at all! just asking.
and so on... you have to make your point of view based upon several opinions and facts.
tell me, after last years' practice with several new routes each year, why only 1 new destination will be launched this year, and frequency upgrades and downgrades as well on other routes, according several observations and press releases?
it's just a signal of something as "this year is not so shiny as before", not?
plus, i really hope that everything goes allright for EK and for all the airline industry, but want to see clearly through the glitter of PR-shine, and wanted to show other opinions.
peace!
z
yep, all the people who want to convince others with false statements are just to be ignored.
but to discover that their statements are false, we have to do our own research, based on much more points of view than only one, specially if this point is 2 months old; the economy changes faster than that.
as it was proposed by me and till now nobody resisted, press releases could be considered as PR-glitters; if someone takes a little bit of attention to read between the lines (yes, it's more tiring than simply accept the content) then one can discover interesting things, only 2 example from the article cited by you:
"There is a lot more capacity coming on line in the next 12-18 months. Emirates, Etihad, Qatar Airways and several other operators have large order books and, according to current reports, there is no intention to slow the delivery process."
1., this outview goes far beyond this year; of course, the crisis could be smoothened until mid-2010, as aircraft deliveries can be speeded up again, as well.
nobody (including me as well) said Emirates will suffer deeply until the end of time.
me, personally, i said that for this calendar year, 2009, with the cancelled cabin crew (and apparently pilot) recruiting, delays by Boeing (and probably by Airbus as well) are just facts showing that something restructuring has to be taken at EK, in these (and probably in the forthcoming) months.
and, most important, internal sources such as pilots and cabin crew here and in other threads and forums are saying that a perceptible change is in line at EK.
2., "according to current reports": sparkling, glitter... let's say, in October 2009, "current reports" of december 2008 are still effective? of course not.
it's just an excuse for future questions.
"Emirates, by contrast, is much longer established and without the direct financial support of the Dubai government." - uhm, and what's up with indirect support?
deep silence... and i'm not judgeing at all! just asking.and so on... you have to make your point of view based upon several opinions and facts.
tell me, after last years' practice with several new routes each year, why only 1 new destination will be launched this year, and frequency upgrades and downgrades as well on other routes, according several observations and press releases?
it's just a signal of something as "this year is not so shiny as before", not?
plus, i really hope that everything goes allright for EK and for all the airline industry, but want to see clearly through the glitter of PR-shine, and wanted to show other opinions.
peace!
z
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hey guys,
i would like to ask: the managerial structure is really so overheated at Emirates?...
i mean, concerning some opinions, it is much more simple than those of other major carriers... is it true or, concerning your point of view here, it's a bullsh.t?
z
i would like to ask: the managerial structure is really so overheated at Emirates?...
i mean, concerning some opinions, it is much more simple than those of other major carriers... is it true or, concerning your point of view here, it's a bullsh.t?
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specially if this point is 2 months old; the economy changes faster than that.
And if you want to talk about NEW news! Abu Dhabi Airport traffic has gone up during last January vs. same period 2008!! something like 14% up I think!! quite amazing in the middle of the struggle isn't it?
My friend, no need to mention the names of airline companies who got busted so far...only those who would survive, will surely have their say in the sky! I'm quite confident that many middle east airliners will make it to the other side...this doesn't really mean that I 100% agree with the strategies and decision-makers...despite all, I won't go and exaggerate the situation like many people would love to live for such twisted purpose
In the end, I think the bigger picture is "who will escape this economic mess stronger than the other..or more able to stand up again"
And by the way...as far as I know, CAPA offers non-funded/non-sponsored articles and outlook reports! they are not that kind of people who would like to add glittering gloss to the objective analysis..and you can refer back to them about the very technical points you are concerned about and your doubts about the sources they've utilized to conduct their report...for me, I can see it very balanced and logical...no offense
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SilveR5,
i didn't take it as offense, don't worry.
but how Abu Dhabi came here? we are talking about EK.... not?
just to resume shortly: i didn't said, never did and never will that EK and Gulf's airlines won't make it through the crisis with quite good results. nobody doubts the financial strenght of Gulf's airlines!
so i don't understand why you want to paint that picture on me.
i just cited several infos, independent from each other, that suggest EK won't be able to keep the growing rate assumed in their press release (cancelled crew hiring, just one new destination, aicraft manufacturers' delays etc.), and, more precisely, that this growing is mainly for the end of his year and for the beginning next year.
and we started to debate of this years future results...
i said no more and no less, just in a more detailed way.
z
i didn't take it as offense, don't worry.
but how Abu Dhabi came here? we are talking about EK.... not?
just to resume shortly: i didn't said, never did and never will that EK and Gulf's airlines won't make it through the crisis with quite good results. nobody doubts the financial strenght of Gulf's airlines!
so i don't understand why you want to paint that picture on me.
i just cited several infos, independent from each other, that suggest EK won't be able to keep the growing rate assumed in their press release (cancelled crew hiring, just one new destination, aicraft manufacturers' delays etc.), and, more precisely, that this growing is mainly for the end of his year and for the beginning next year.
and we started to debate of this years future results...
i said no more and no less, just in a more detailed way.
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Salaam SilveR5,
cool! and me, i got yours.
anyway, what about the internal rumours that suggest EK won't take all of the ordered A380s because of the several problems concerning engines and other stuff... as far as i know Scarebus has overweight, and fuel consumption is less attractive as promoted...
did somebody more infos about it?
z
cool! and me, i got yours.
anyway, what about the internal rumours that suggest EK won't take all of the ordered A380s because of the several problems concerning engines and other stuff... as far as i know Scarebus has overweight, and fuel consumption is less attractive as promoted...
did somebody more infos about it?
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Problems related to the fuel pump are the most popular in A380 now...these were also reported TWICE before with Singapore Airlines.
Such things happen with almost every new type..but this time it's surely the wrong time to encounter any of these!!
Such things happen with almost every new type..but this time it's surely the wrong time to encounter any of these!!