MEA putting out tenders for new AC
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MEA putting out tenders for new AC
MEA is putting out tenders to Airbus and Boeing for up to 8 A350s or 787's. Not sure which variations. This is on top of its newly bought 6 A321's and recently factory purchased 6 A320's and 4 A332's.
This carrier is inspiring for all its countries woes.
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This carrier is inspiring for all its countries woes.
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And I hope soon enough it becomes fully 100% Lebanese, as we have very well trained people In Lebanon and it will be a joke to hire non Lebanese.
As fo the Aircraft order I was informed that MEA is getting about 15mllion dollar per aircraft cheaper deal to go with the B787 however it is very likly that they would still stick with the A350-800 due to fleet harmonisation costs over all.
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As fo the Aircraft order I was informed that MEA is getting about 15mllion dollar per aircraft cheaper deal to go with the B787 however it is very likly that they would still stick with the A350-800 due to fleet harmonisation costs over all.
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Given the "terms and conditions", salaries (the lowest in the region after Egyptair maybe)...etc, MEA would not dare hire expats...
MEA would still be lucky if it prevents its newly hired Lebanese cadets from running away.
and it's 100% Lebanese...already.
MEA would still be lucky if it prevents its newly hired Lebanese cadets from running away.
and it's 100% Lebanese...already.
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Fact's
-fleet is brand new-youngest in the region
-cabin crew all degree qualified and tri lingual
-runs at a profit
-no need for expats-tech or otherwise
-growing each year, slowly but surely
-a sustainable and workable strategy for the future
-Informed and satisfied employees
AND
MEA To Construct Flight Training Center In Beirut — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
take note GF
MEA has been operating since 1945 and I haven't seen any of its Lebanese nationals "running away" mate
In the region it was the carrier in 50's, 60's and early 70's..then Gulf Air was it for the 80's and early 90's , now it's Emirates..perhaps it will be EY or QR in the future....
Take a closer look if you wish:
MEA Ξ Photo gallery
Oddy.
-fleet is brand new-youngest in the region
-cabin crew all degree qualified and tri lingual
-runs at a profit
-no need for expats-tech or otherwise
-growing each year, slowly but surely
-a sustainable and workable strategy for the future
-Informed and satisfied employees
AND
MEA To Construct Flight Training Center In Beirut — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
take note GF
MEA has been operating since 1945 and I haven't seen any of its Lebanese nationals "running away" mate
In the region it was the carrier in 50's, 60's and early 70's..then Gulf Air was it for the 80's and early 90's , now it's Emirates..perhaps it will be EY or QR in the future....
Take a closer look if you wish:
MEA Ξ Photo gallery
Oddy.
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MEA has already lost one or two of their junior FOs to companies like Etihad. That's why they bond the new guys for over $100,000 over 12 years with no prorating. I personally know of a few guys that interviewed and got accepted at other airlines but could not fish out the cash to pay off their bonds to leave. So its not all nice and green at Cedarjet.
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You forgot to add that it was MEA aircraft and personel that helped Emirates kick start its operation in the 80s in the middle of a Civil War now if thats not professionalism and dedication then I dont know what is.
I think that had we have a ruler who happens to be a kazillionaire and who pays for our fuel and such other costs like other Gulf based Airlines then we may well be on a same playing field.
The Fact of the Matter is even with Wars and Airport Blockades MEA still making NET profits and still buying new aircraft and I think those around us are simply Jealous, I would very much love to see how Emirates or Gulf Air can or could cope if thier respective nations were involved in a Civil war or a war with thier neighbours (god forbid off course) but lets just say they will be running around like headless chickens and will most probably be on the phone to MEA for advice
As for cadets defecting to other Airlines who cares for every defector there are no less than 25 cadets waiting to take his or her place, secondly MEA wages are not the Lowest in the region and perhaps you need to speak to Cpt. Balaa before you start saying such misleading and unfounded comments.
So I hear MEA is expecting upwards of 75 million USD net profit this is even though the Airport was closed for upwards of 10 days and also Lebanon doesnt get the most favourable of press around the world but hey can you imagine little old MEA without such bad press about the most beautiful nation on earth and without external powers trying to cuase grief inside Lebanon MEA will be on close to 120 million NET.
MEA = Failure is not in our vocabulary
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You forgot to add that it was MEA aircraft and personel that helped Emirates kick start its operation in the 80s in the middle of a Civil War now if thats not professionalism and dedication then I dont know what is.
I think that had we have a ruler who happens to be a kazillionaire and who pays for our fuel and such other costs like other Gulf based Airlines then we may well be on a same playing field.
The Fact of the Matter is even with Wars and Airport Blockades MEA still making NET profits and still buying new aircraft and I think those around us are simply Jealous, I would very much love to see how Emirates or Gulf Air can or could cope if thier respective nations were involved in a Civil war or a war with thier neighbours (god forbid off course) but lets just say they will be running around like headless chickens and will most probably be on the phone to MEA for advice
As for cadets defecting to other Airlines who cares for every defector there are no less than 25 cadets waiting to take his or her place, secondly MEA wages are not the Lowest in the region and perhaps you need to speak to Cpt. Balaa before you start saying such misleading and unfounded comments.
So I hear MEA is expecting upwards of 75 million USD net profit this is even though the Airport was closed for upwards of 10 days and also Lebanon doesnt get the most favourable of press around the world but hey can you imagine little old MEA without such bad press about the most beautiful nation on earth and without external powers trying to cuase grief inside Lebanon MEA will be on close to 120 million NET.
MEA = Failure is not in our vocabulary
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fleet is brand new-youngest in the region
OD and WA, you seem to love MEA cause you love your country. That's fine but try not to be fooled because you are blind:
- it's quite easy for a company to make profit when that company pays a monthly average of 2000 usd for junior F/O, 600 usd for cabin crew, 400 usd for ground personnel,...and bonding everyone.
a sustainable and workable strategy for the future
on a daily basis perhaps. But who said it's their fault?- They did lost some F/O's already...more to come. Even if MEA keeps threatening them with illegal bonds and penalties against any basic rules of Labor Law.
Informed and satisfied employees
You forgot to add that it was MEA aircraft and personel that helped Emirates kick start its operation in the 80s in the middle of a Civil War now if thats not professionalism and dedication then I dont know what is.
there are no less than 25 cadets waiting to take his or her place
you need to speak to Cpt. Balaa before you start saying such misleading and unfounded comments.
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Some folks think that hiring Western folks makes them expertise what ever happened to national pride and dignity in one's people thats gone down the window in gulf.
As for wages Oh please dont talk to me about wages because MEA wages are some of the best in the region and beat those offered by many European companies its fact and has got nothing to do with being Lebanese or otherwise you need to get your facts correctly before hands.
Secondly as for Emirates not hiring Lebanese in top management, let them Hire Emiraties first then we can talk about other Arab nationals, and MEA did help Emirates if you dont believe then look at the history books if still you dont beleive then ask Maktoum al Maktoum who himself praises the help MEA gave Emirates so lets not try distorting History.
As for Females well MEA management has a 65-35 ratio Male to Female it may not seem much but its the Highest Female management ratio in the Region and some say in Asia, as for Female Pilots MEA was hiring those before Emirates was Created I know they had 3 707 Female pilots back in the 70s so lets not talk about sexism when its strife at Emirates and Gulf Air.
Illigal bonding whats so Illigal about MEA bonding all the top Airlines Bond you so why not MEA and besides Bonding your cadets when you have just spent upwards of 100 000 euros on them is the natural thing to do.
Now wages wise the average fresh cadet is on no less than 2000USD a Junior Pilot is on close to 4000 and a Captain is on close to 8000 dollars, cabin crews are on 850 usd these wages are exceptional based on the per capita of the Lebanese economy.
SF i think you have had way too many sand blasts in your eyes that your distorting History and the truth have they threatned to kick you out of the Gulf if you dont knod your head in agreements with management at Emirates or Gulf Air shame......
WA
As for wages Oh please dont talk to me about wages because MEA wages are some of the best in the region and beat those offered by many European companies its fact and has got nothing to do with being Lebanese or otherwise you need to get your facts correctly before hands.
Secondly as for Emirates not hiring Lebanese in top management, let them Hire Emiraties first then we can talk about other Arab nationals, and MEA did help Emirates if you dont believe then look at the history books if still you dont beleive then ask Maktoum al Maktoum who himself praises the help MEA gave Emirates so lets not try distorting History.
As for Females well MEA management has a 65-35 ratio Male to Female it may not seem much but its the Highest Female management ratio in the Region and some say in Asia, as for Female Pilots MEA was hiring those before Emirates was Created I know they had 3 707 Female pilots back in the 70s so lets not talk about sexism when its strife at Emirates and Gulf Air.
Illigal bonding whats so Illigal about MEA bonding all the top Airlines Bond you so why not MEA and besides Bonding your cadets when you have just spent upwards of 100 000 euros on them is the natural thing to do.
Now wages wise the average fresh cadet is on no less than 2000USD a Junior Pilot is on close to 4000 and a Captain is on close to 8000 dollars, cabin crews are on 850 usd these wages are exceptional based on the per capita of the Lebanese economy.
SF i think you have had way too many sand blasts in your eyes that your distorting History and the truth have they threatned to kick you out of the Gulf if you dont knod your head in agreements with management at Emirates or Gulf Air shame......
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The facts remain MEA operates more efficiently than wealthy KU's GF's SR's.Its a much better carrier than MS, syrian, Yemenia, Oman or any Nth african carrier. I dare say it would give any EU carrier a run for its money - hard and soft product wise too!
MEA DOES have the youngest fleet in the region and seems to be able to buy planes quite successfully which is why GF is getting ME's leftovers and RJ's for that matter and SQ's etc etc. Give credit where credit is due buddy. MEA has survived in extraodinary business, economic and social circumstances. If its emplyees were not so loyal ME would have simply collapsed many many years ago. 16 planes today 24 tomorrow.........? Growth is a strategy not a war of egos as in the GCC and its glam carriers.
MEA also did assist EK and GF where the later would come to Beirut for training.
Just look at the picture gallery in the link above"uniform accross the ages" and you will see just where GF and EK came up with the idea of arabian headress for cc. Albeit bar the above the knee mini
I dare say the Cedar tree on the tail of an ME ac conjurs up much more loyalty than the eagle on many GCC carriers-thats the difference.
As for females Lebanese ladies had the vote in the early 50's where was the GCC in the early 50's may I ask, let alone the status of its female population?
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MEA DOES have the youngest fleet in the region and seems to be able to buy planes quite successfully which is why GF is getting ME's leftovers and RJ's for that matter and SQ's etc etc. Give credit where credit is due buddy. MEA has survived in extraodinary business, economic and social circumstances. If its emplyees were not so loyal ME would have simply collapsed many many years ago. 16 planes today 24 tomorrow.........? Growth is a strategy not a war of egos as in the GCC and its glam carriers.
MEA also did assist EK and GF where the later would come to Beirut for training.
Just look at the picture gallery in the link above"uniform accross the ages" and you will see just where GF and EK came up with the idea of arabian headress for cc. Albeit bar the above the knee mini
I dare say the Cedar tree on the tail of an ME ac conjurs up much more loyalty than the eagle on many GCC carriers-thats the difference.
As for females Lebanese ladies had the vote in the early 50's where was the GCC in the early 50's may I ask, let alone the status of its female population?
Oddy
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I'm with Shortfuel on this one. Without saying too much to damage the reputation of this "great carrier", the fact that the company is loosing many of its pilots at an alarming rate says it all. If you choose to put on horse-blinders, then that is your own choice. Sometimes the only way to see what a company is really like is to work for them. Is that your case OD?
Cheers.
P.S. There is only one female pilot at MEA. Considering there are close to 135 pilots, the female/male ratio, compared to the rest of the world's aviation industry, is well below average.
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P.S. There is only one female pilot at MEA. Considering there are close to 135 pilots, the female/male ratio, compared to the rest of the world's aviation industry, is well below average.
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Our wise fellow (ex)PilatusDriver said it all
WA, OD...I won't answer point by point because it will too long and pointless. You clearly don't really know what you are talking about. Live with your fantasy reality about MEA.
WA, OD...I won't answer point by point because it will too long and pointless. You clearly don't really know what you are talking about. Live with your fantasy reality about MEA
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Reality is MEA is a better airline than those stated. The only better carriers are EY, QR EK in the region. Reality is ME operates on a sound strategy and business accumen of its CEO, not his ego. MEA is a successful airline despite all odds and no expats - It 's obvious some are having a hard time swallowing that-I'm not sure why. 
Nothing I have said is up in fairy land. I have stated fact and the proof is in the MEA balance sheet, it's new ac, its hard and soft product, its new training centre, its soon to be Skyteam partner status..these are hardly fantasy, however, I'm sure you will attempt to negate, make light or raise other superflous points regarding these facts yet again.
- It 's obvious some are having a hard time swallowing that-I'm not sure why. Nothing I have said is up in fairy land. I have stated fact and the proof is in the MEA balance sheet, it's new ac, its hard and soft product, its new training centre, its soon to be Skyteam partner status..these are hardly fantasy, however, I'm sure you will attempt to negate, make light or raise other superflous points regarding these facts yet again.
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Re Salaries in MEA
I was a dispatcher in MEA airline one of 6 that took the same Dispatch course but from 6 only one still in MEA sure not me.we signed a 6 years bond & the 5th that was me left after 3.5 years.They are employing in Lebanon but paying in Sirilanka.
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