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Emirates Career prospection update

Old 7th Nov 2008, 08:20
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Emirates Career prospection update

Gentlemen, Ladies,

Just as I was reading through the tempo accommodation presentation our beloved leader Mr. Ed gave to our less fortunate colleagues who are living in areas unheard of by most Dubai residents, I noticed a little remark that made me feel sorry even more for these poor lads.

Incoming pilot classes numbers reduced in FY 2009/10
Expecting to hire approximately 150 new joiners in FY 2009/10

As far as I'm concerned, this means that there will only be about 75 'new' Captain slots available for next financial year. This combined with the financial turmoil in the real world, meaning that most people with plans of leaving the company soon won't do so anymore in the current economic situation, means that actually, that will be it, 75 captain slots for a whole year.

I know that this sounds like a great number for people who are not flying for EK, since most companies are scaling down, but for the guys here, it will be a huge disappointment... Don't forget that in order to come to Emirates, you must have a certain level of experience, so don't compare this career with other companies where you can get in with no jet time etc...

Anyway, after having a quick look at the seniority list, I came up with following conclusion:

In the BEST case, your fleet will upgrade about 75 people as from today until end of Financial Year 2010 (31 March 2010). For both fleets, this means that in the BEST case scenario, by April 2010, upgrade time will be 4.5 years.

Also, today there are about 550 FO's on the A330/A340 and 610 on the B777. I don't even want to start calculating when a new joiner today will have his shot at a command in EK, but my guess is that it will be close to 7 years at least.

Just my thoughts.

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Old 7th Nov 2008, 09:59
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The question then becomes how do they plan to crew the fleet?? Either less aircraft come or they increase the flying. Oddly enough I heard that the average flying time was around 550 hours per year and the plan was to increase that to 750 per year.

So my guess is that they will tighten up rsv coverage and push more people into overtime (since they actually pay less per hour of OT then they do for a regular hour). Also results in lower costs for housing and other benefits. It is always cheaper to pay the overtime (up to a point).

What I find interesting is that they constantly play with the rostering system to limit guys to 14 days off per month etc and each time they do they handcuff themselves further. The little mafia in rostering have a very poor understanding of the program. EK had a chance last year to get someone in who could sort those problems and they blew it.

So, if I had to guess, upper management calculated the increase in flying per pilot and rostering will not be able to effectively (cost wise and simple coverage wise) implement it.
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Old 7th Nov 2008, 12:38
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Emirates always win; pilots always lose. If we win something, they change the rules and everything goes back to "normal."

The roster system doesn't work for us; always for them. The upgrade thing? Well, if they feel the need for captains, they just go and hire some DEC. It is quicker and cheaper.
There is no sympathy for the f/o waiting his turn.

Housing? It is going to get worse, I am afraid.
Sorry, no good news

On the brighter side, we still have a job and they're still sticking the their expansion plans.
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Old 7th Nov 2008, 16:00
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To make things worse for new joiners or guys in the right seat: as we speak they still get DECs in... All fleet upgrades have been delayed and at the same time they get min 3 to 4 DECs per month. This implies that these guys will block HALF of those 09/10 upgrade slots at the current pace....

Get ready to bend over for the big EK shafting.
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Old 7th Nov 2008, 17:55
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3 to 4 DEC,s a month what fleet? Have not seen a DEC for a while now. A quick look at the list does not show that many DEC's maybe a hand full in total in the last 6 months and those maybe trainers, dont know
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