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Old 25th Jan 2012, 13:36
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The sooner GF gets put out of its misery the better. If it was an animal in this state it would have been euthanased long ago
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Old 25th Jan 2012, 21:27
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Time to pack the bags folks if you don't hold a bahrani passport.
GF to close as to resurrect itself as Bahrain Air so that it can promote the name of the country.
Only run my bahrainis (sunni at the top and shias elsewhere) to enable them to continue to cream off the funds from the government.
Looks like another Kuwait Airways in the making.

Bye!
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Old 26th Jan 2012, 22:54
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So, 340s will be grounded in Feb Any rumors about which destinations we will not see anymore? Heard the KUL is amongst the first ones
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Old 26th Jan 2012, 23:32
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Sorry gents how about who's just about to join?

Will be just not hired or there is a possibility that they will keep the commitments to new joiners?

How many a/c will be grounded in total?

NOF
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Old 27th Jan 2012, 06:37
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Sounds like a regional airline in the making, wonder if we'l still keep our long haul routes or swop them over for profitable ones. Then again the whole plan could change overnight.. Its a tug of war up there.
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Old 27th Jan 2012, 07:02
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I am amazed with people here who still cherish their hopes for GF "bright future"
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Old 27th Jan 2012, 11:20
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Showel, it is, often, all that some folk have left. Aviation is littered with these types. Very loyal but failing to see that there is very little loyalty re ward. I was with two major airlines the time that they went bust. Lots of guys, loyal, but with misguided hope got severely left behind in the race for jobs.If you are a Bahrain National, you probably have a job. What type of job is the question & Long haulers will start to miss, severely, that particular lifestyle. Foreigners, follow Ironbut57's vision; start looking for another farm ! What has got me through to the final stages of my 40 year career is that I am loyal, only to my Licence. What is painted on the side of an aeroplane is of little interest. Good luck to all of you.
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Old 27th Jan 2012, 20:11
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Well they can't squeeze out another ounce of sweat from the crew, and all flights i'v done in the past 6 months were packed to the rafters. If the yeild is low,GF just have to increase the fare slightly.. Most folk i got chatting to like flying GF.. Mayb restructuring and emphasising on a reduced fleet but uping the quality, but then again a sense of style is much lacking here. Hope its all for the best.
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Old 28th Jan 2012, 06:10
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The airline, owned by government investment fund Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Co., is suffering from high costs and massive overstaffing that have plagued it for decades.
Maybe the geniuses: read the MP's, boardmembers (Mumtalakat and GF), Gulf Air's CEO and other executive staff should have another look at what is mentioned above. The key to turning around the airline is there.

It is most certainly not massive overstaffing of operational crew, as GF operates with the absolute minimum of engeneering staff, cabin crew and flight deck.

To support a network with as many non-operational staff as Gulf Air employs, you need either: more airplanes or restructure and reduce the non-operational staff or a combination of both.

To reduce the fleet, without reducing national staff numbers mainly employed at HQ is absolute insanity.

The final nail in the coffin for Gulf Air if they follow through.
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Old 28th Jan 2012, 10:01
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They will follow through because it buys time and shifts the blame somewhere else when the ship finally goes down. It's called NOT "losing face" because that is the ultimate 'No No' in the middle east. Reading through these pages one notices succint summaries coupled with obvious and not so obvious solutions offered by the pilots community.Other corporate failures might have been avoided by listening to other staff & ground root staff too. Modern CEO's are doing just that. Dosse & Naff showed the way too but were thwarted and over-ruled by the dysfunctional Board. And still, GF's CEO talks about reducing fleet but not staff. He dare not reduce National staff levels & fails to acknowledge that expats will take the brunt. Just like watching the Titanic all over again.Failures everywhere. Failure to heed to warnings, failure to recognise the problem exists, failure to admit the ship is holed, failure to take decisive action, failure to listen to advice........oh dear, & as the ship went down, Captain probably still saying.." What f-----g ice berg ???" !!
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 11:57
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So guys, all direct entry cp and fo who were suppose to join in feb and mar are canceled, some were suppose to join on 4th with everithing ready (contract signed, visas ready). Once again GF reveals its true face:-)
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 13:47
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Apparently the 2011 (unaudited) accounts point towards a BHD200M (US$529M) loss.

That's US$1.45M per day!
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 14:03
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I really hope they keep their loyalty to the senior expat Pilots working in the airline..
At the moment it seems, if you are not Bahraini, or a GCC citizen, you should be worried..
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 14:46
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At the moment seems that Embraer pilots are the ones who shall be worried the most
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 15:03
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330airbus, you really think they ever had any loyalty towards expats? And it does not matter senior or junior, it is only a matter of time
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 15:23
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At the moment seems that Embraer pilots are the ones who shall be worried the most
Why? If that is the case, could you substantiate your statement?
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 15:30
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CLB-1, wait until tuesday and inshalah GF will substantiate it to you.
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 15:30
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It would make sense ( open goal, I know) to get rid of the Embraers when the leases expire next year. Wouldn't they otherwise pay a penalty for early contract termination outweighing the cost of finishing another 12 months on the current contract? Also note that the Embraer is the most profitable aircraft in the fleet.
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 15:48
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I can hardly wait
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Old 29th Jan 2012, 16:18
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John21, yeap, especially when it is AOG and 340 has to do its DXB turn
And regarding penalties, why do you think they put 180-250 mil Bd to downsize the company???

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