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To be fair, I don't think pilots are leaving due to the money, it's more about job security and lack of confidence in the future. In addition many simply don't want to fly the 'jungle jet' when they have the option of flying a squeaky clean, new widebody with career progression rather than regression etc.
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1. gf under pressure to bahrainize pilots
2. gf expat pilots planned for the e-jets
3. all-local fleet office will spell disaster due lack of check and balance, nationalism, nepotism, shiitism/sunnism, etc-ism
4. no news seems good news, no news always
5. gf fails to plan, gf plans to fail
2. gf expat pilots planned for the e-jets
3. all-local fleet office will spell disaster due lack of check and balance, nationalism, nepotism, shiitism/sunnism, etc-ism
4. no news seems good news, no news always
5. gf fails to plan, gf plans to fail
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what! and i thought the meeting was not before the 22nd! well i'm not going now since we've got all the juicy stuffs. great work brasseplate! and may i add AMEN!
oh by the way, it would not surprise me if we hear that Bahrain Air is buying us out lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol, i can think of one company who did just that and well, if you remember the last "big announcement" ... there was only one company in a worst financial situation than GFA but with 150+ aircrafts, yeah it's in Europe and has been bought or "saved" buy a smaller company who now is operating under the older name, anyhow it's shaped like a boot.
hmmm... pay rise, layoffs, merger, cost cutting, efficiency, transparency ... i don't know who what to believe
oh by the way, it would not surprise me if we hear that Bahrain Air is buying us out lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol, i can think of one company who did just that and well, if you remember the last "big announcement" ... there was only one company in a worst financial situation than GFA but with 150+ aircrafts, yeah it's in Europe and has been bought or "saved" buy a smaller company who now is operating under the older name, anyhow it's shaped like a boot.
hmmm... pay rise, layoffs, merger, cost cutting, efficiency, transparency ... i don't know who what to believe
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OK, what's the rumor of RJ pilots coming over on contract to show us the ropes?
Funny, but I thought they were doing really well following the M model of airline management...making money hand over fist and all that. I guess you can't believe what you hear these days, can you?
Funny, but I thought they were doing really well following the M model of airline management...making money hand over fist and all that. I guess you can't believe what you hear these days, can you?
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New minimums for captains!!!!
Heard last night that our beloved geniuses on the top floor are seriously thinking, if they have not all ready taken the decision to do it, to lower the minimums for captains to 3500. Hmmmm.... 0....7.....2.... .....
As always, s...a...f...t...y first
As always, s...a...f...t...y first
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It all depends!
There are pilots here with 3 times more hours than the actual minimum and still can't make de command assessment or have the mindset for it and there are others with around 3500h TT that can do the job nicely...
There are pilots here with 3 times more hours than the actual minimum and still can't make de command assessment or have the mindset for it and there are others with around 3500h TT that can do the job nicely...
. Know exactly what you mean.
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As long as lowering the minimums is not about getting the "boys" before the foreigners then it could work, but if it's anything but that, then there will be a lot of people pissed off! For me I don't care, they can put a guy with 1000 hours, my seniority wouldn't allow it for the next 2 years, and by then the "boys" will have the required hours, either way ... I just hope they aren't PUSHING the guys to command just because they are desperate, there a still lots of guys who have the hours and not to mention the guys who's second chance is up for grab again. They are not that desperate, they think we are stupid and that they can give us any salad and we'll eat it! Sorry but I stopped believing when I saw the 777 go back! We are looking at a very bright future flying C172 to Tubli and Isa Town!!!!!!!
AND PLEASE, DON'T SAY THAT IF THEY'LL PAY YOU THE SAME YOU'LL DO IT!!! THAT'S B.......T!!!!!
AND PLEASE, DON'T SAY THAT IF THEY'LL PAY YOU THE SAME YOU'LL DO IT!!! THAT'S B.......T!!!!!
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Nothing for cockpit/cabin crew they will review in 2011 for them mainly ground staff will get some pay increase but not been told how much that will be a rough ball game is between 18 to 20%.
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No i am not saying that and no body knows so far what will be the pay raise and who will get it its all up in the air as i said 18 t0 20% is a bracket and who ever will get it will be in this bracket
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If you look around you will find that most reputable airlines require 4000-5000 hours, and for good reason. Nobody disputes the fact there are some people that can do the job well with 3500, however there are many who can't.
Furthermore with the degradation of basic piloting skills through the use of modern automation and indeed in some cases, cadet pilot programs, we have further problem. When you consider the actual 'stick time' or actual handling time with the autopilot off on any given flight in our system, you soon realize that the pilot only really 'handles' the flight controls for a few minutes on every flight and the rest of time is spent 'monitoring' or manipulating the autopilot.
So what's the problem with that? Well, as good as these aircraft are, their Achilles heel is exposed when you have a major failure and you are forced to really fly and not push buttons. Unreliable airspeed, emergency electric configuration, multiple hydraulic failures etc. leave the unskilled pilot or shall we say 'rusty' pilot in a pretty uncomfortable position. Indeed add a bit of weather or poor airport facilities or even a cadet pilot in the right hand seat and things can deteriorate fairly rapidly.
So all of a sudden the 3500 hrs has been shaved down to perhaps a few hundred of actual flying (handling) time.
Furthermore with the degradation of basic piloting skills through the use of modern automation and indeed in some cases, cadet pilot programs, we have further problem. When you consider the actual 'stick time' or actual handling time with the autopilot off on any given flight in our system, you soon realize that the pilot only really 'handles' the flight controls for a few minutes on every flight and the rest of time is spent 'monitoring' or manipulating the autopilot.
So what's the problem with that? Well, as good as these aircraft are, their Achilles heel is exposed when you have a major failure and you are forced to really fly and not push buttons. Unreliable airspeed, emergency electric configuration, multiple hydraulic failures etc. leave the unskilled pilot or shall we say 'rusty' pilot in a pretty uncomfortable position. Indeed add a bit of weather or poor airport facilities or even a cadet pilot in the right hand seat and things can deteriorate fairly rapidly.
So all of a sudden the 3500 hrs has been shaved down to perhaps a few hundred of actual flying (handling) time.
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No question about it, some low-timers are light years ahead of high-timers. It isn't all about flight time in the log book any more since manipulating and monitoring autopilots is the same for one hour or ten hours.
It's not a matter of practice makes perfect, it's 'perfect' practice makes perfect.
So definitely, quality of flight hours play a far more significant 'experience' than total time alone.
Having said that, most of the time, better airmanship will favour the more experienced because nothing can ever replace good experience that only time can deliver.
The insurance companies recognise this and therefore it becomes a premium expense for an airline which pushes for lower times for commanders. (The very same reason why car licence holders of less than two years in Bahrain pay more than double the excess if they have a prang and/or pay much higher insurance premiums).
If GF decides to pursue this, they will have to be prepared for a massive spike in their insurance costs, and, ensure a much more rigorous training and monitoring regime than the current for low-time captains, and, pray nothing untoward happens.
It's not a matter of practice makes perfect, it's 'perfect' practice makes perfect.
So definitely, quality of flight hours play a far more significant 'experience' than total time alone.
Having said that, most of the time, better airmanship will favour the more experienced because nothing can ever replace good experience that only time can deliver.
The insurance companies recognise this and therefore it becomes a premium expense for an airline which pushes for lower times for commanders. (The very same reason why car licence holders of less than two years in Bahrain pay more than double the excess if they have a prang and/or pay much higher insurance premiums).
If GF decides to pursue this, they will have to be prepared for a massive spike in their insurance costs, and, ensure a much more rigorous training and monitoring regime than the current for low-time captains, and, pray nothing untoward happens.
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Gulf air possible expansion could cover all these exocitic destinations;
Kabu,l kandahar, kish, bandar abbas, hafra al batin, Hail, gassim, ras al khaima, fujaira, musaira, salalah,salmaniya.......
Brace for impact Guys!
Kabu,l kandahar, kish, bandar abbas, hafra al batin, Hail, gassim, ras al khaima, fujaira, musaira, salalah,salmaniya.......
Brace for impact Guys!