Reduced Annual Leave for GF pilots
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Well, still no news from N.S. so I guess Naf & the F***er from HR won. Enjoy your 50 days leave is 2009 & thank God for them cuz in 2010 there will be even less.
Also not much longer to wait for the much anticipated departure of Naf as an Eid gift for us from the board.
Auf wedersehen!!!
Also not much longer to wait for the much anticipated departure of Naf as an Eid gift for us from the board.
Auf wedersehen!!!
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Are every one happy now......do you want still fly on your days off and leave...?
i know that the no. of tech crew who's refused to fly on days of are increasing...up to now i can say about 41 between captain and f/o........let them won 2 days...but instead have any one noticed the no. of flight which has been cancelled........ mr A.A.. and rest of sh.........
....this is only the start...
i know that the no. of tech crew who's refused to fly on days of are increasing...up to now i can say about 41 between captain and f/o........let them won 2 days...but instead have any one noticed the no. of flight which has been cancelled........ mr A.A.. and rest of sh.........
....this is only the start...
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keep_dreaming does have a point. there is underhanded tactics that are being played by mr banana-bandana from HR.
i am of the understanding that when the roster was published, there were flights that were un-crewed. in other words, rostering was hoping people would sell their leave or work days off.
on the other hand, are you barking up the right tree? this is not the rostering departments' fault. they've got to work with what they have...kinda like gf pilots in crappy aircraft!!
this debacle lands squarely with mr banana-boat and his aggresive anti-pilot rhetoric.
i am of the understanding that when the roster was published, there were flights that were un-crewed. in other words, rostering was hoping people would sell their leave or work days off.
on the other hand, are you barking up the right tree? this is not the rostering departments' fault. they've got to work with what they have...kinda like gf pilots in crappy aircraft!!
this debacle lands squarely with mr banana-boat and his aggresive anti-pilot rhetoric.
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You (we) guys have the power! The company runs cause of you (us)! On top we are they only people accountable!!! Let them understand that nothing will go on without us!! They need us to run their show!! BN(turboprop f/0) or AA(unknown) or ABannana(unknown) have to pay respect on us ! We run the show in all aspects!!
"we need to train 200 pilots" Give the trainners what was said and documented last year!!!!!!! ...............(rejected by HM F/O bn)
"Improved life style package for our pilots"Rostering?school fees?housing?leave?(?????????????_)
"cut costs" introducing a Manager an a Head every day(ABannana..Unknown)!!
Lets organize an pilots union (not allowed) and organized simple things!
NO DAY OFF NO LEAVE as NO "BA AA"
Sick is not an option cause it is not proffesional
PM so we can organize a common way of acting
Thanks
"we need to train 200 pilots" Give the trainners what was said and documented last year!!!!!!! ...............(rejected by HM F/O bn)
"Improved life style package for our pilots"Rostering?school fees?housing?leave?(?????????????_)
"cut costs" introducing a Manager an a Head every day(ABannana..Unknown)!!
Lets organize an pilots union (not allowed) and organized simple things!
NO DAY OFF NO LEAVE as NO "BA AA"
Sick is not an option cause it is not proffesional
PM so we can organize a common way of acting
Thanks
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Unfortunately the only option for us is to stop working on days off or leave & (I know it's extremely unprofessional but...) start going sick. The only way to make these scumbags understand is to go down into the sewer right into their backyards & teach them that they are not so damn high & mighty.
It just seems to be getting worse & worse here & I was actually glad to see the back of Hogan & co but now...
tmax, if you have any better ideas let us know.
It just seems to be getting worse & worse here & I was actually glad to see the back of Hogan & co but now...
tmax, if you have any better ideas let us know.
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if they want to cut fat, they should start from the top.
tmax is right. the number of useless managers jobs created every week is RIDICULOUS!!!!!
if they don't have enough crew to cause flight cancellations, why are they pushing the boundaries even more? are they stupid or something?
someone please, puncture his tyre or something!!!!! either for being anti-pilot or just for being plain stupid!!
another point i want to add is that if pilots have a 'no show', he gets a warning letter and if it recurs, he gets fired. the reason is because a flight possibly got cancelled and passengers possibly got inconvenienced unless they got a replacement pilot. and it's downright unprofessional.
well what happens if our esteemed planners, in all their wisdom, put gf in it's current position where over 50 flights are not being crewed and being cancelled due lack of planning and over a thousand passengers are being inconvenienced and have to be accommodated at hotels??
that one person responsible for this is the head of hr and i want his head on a platter!
we can not be measured by different yard sticks.
tmax is right. the number of useless managers jobs created every week is RIDICULOUS!!!!!
if they don't have enough crew to cause flight cancellations, why are they pushing the boundaries even more? are they stupid or something?
someone please, puncture his tyre or something!!!!! either for being anti-pilot or just for being plain stupid!!
another point i want to add is that if pilots have a 'no show', he gets a warning letter and if it recurs, he gets fired. the reason is because a flight possibly got cancelled and passengers possibly got inconvenienced unless they got a replacement pilot. and it's downright unprofessional.
well what happens if our esteemed planners, in all their wisdom, put gf in it's current position where over 50 flights are not being crewed and being cancelled due lack of planning and over a thousand passengers are being inconvenienced and have to be accommodated at hotels??
that one person responsible for this is the head of hr and i want his head on a platter!
we can not be measured by different yard sticks.
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Thanks bro...tmax and bras... and rest.......let us be united and we will put there heads down soon........tmax pm us and give us your idea........
hey A.A are you still interested to teach us a listen as you said......believe me we are working very hard to kick you out of office...and it is very soon...............the best solution PILOT UNION without intruption.......and new news for all.......mr HR said pilot's are over paied....expact next step cutting down your salary.......how about his salary , i heard his around BD 8000 to 9000 ( as been told by MP ).......tk cr all
hey A.A are you still interested to teach us a listen as you said......believe me we are working very hard to kick you out of office...and it is very soon...............the best solution PILOT UNION without intruption.......and new news for all.......mr HR said pilot's are over paied....expact next step cutting down your salary.......how about his salary , i heard his around BD 8000 to 9000 ( as been told by MP ).......tk cr all
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well guys, last nite i was enjoying a few drinks in a five star hotel and suddenly the place crowded up with at least 60 or so people. We ended having a chat with one of them and they turned out to be GF pax who had cancelled flights and were put up in the hotel till the next available flight..
They were swearing and cursing at gf and they told us that they wud never ever think of flying GF again..
Now that is sad cause we are losing pax mainly cause of the stupid and incompetent chief and his assistants in managerial positions..
They were swearing and cursing at gf and they told us that they wud never ever think of flying GF again..
Now that is sad cause we are losing pax mainly cause of the stupid and incompetent chief and his assistants in managerial positions..
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we do a hard job , and top management they spend it on .......... even though we losing money , they get the bounes......., my bro and sis....tech + c.crew......how many of you got a thank letter while you flown in your day's off...........go sick, without sick note and you will receive a warning.......not fare......hold every one...just for a while...we want to see A.A and HR and BN out of company.......
.......... even though we losing money , they get the bounes......., my bro and sis....tech + c.crew......how many of you got a thank letter while you flown in your day's off...........go sick, without sick note and you will receive a warning.......not fare......hold every one...just for a while...we want to see A.A and HR and BN out of company.......
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4th frickin roster change in two days. damn these idiots.
do you ever wonder how a pilot can get his picture put up on the 'employee of the month' wall?
that pilot will the one who:
1. happily works on days off,
2. never ever goes sick,
3. accepts a paycut,
4. accepts leave reduction
5. accepts the cancellation of two days travel time.
...in other words, the pilot who enjoys taking it up the tailpipe.
the employee of the month always seems to be someone who does nothing to make tangible changes to gf.
do you ever wonder how a pilot can get his picture put up on the 'employee of the month' wall?
that pilot will the one who:
1. happily works on days off,
2. never ever goes sick,
3. accepts a paycut,
4. accepts leave reduction
5. accepts the cancellation of two days travel time.
...in other words, the pilot who enjoys taking it up the tailpipe.
the employee of the month always seems to be someone who does nothing to make tangible changes to gf.
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Referring to keep_dreaming's post regarding leave days, that actually makes sense.
Where HR will argue is the fact that pilots get days off instead of weekends. I hope not because weekends are for people who work five regular days a week. Pilots work around the clock.
Pilots legally require days off for different reasons to regular workers ie rest periods, 8 daysoff/roster period etc.
Where HR will argue is the fact that pilots get days off instead of weekends. I hope not because weekends are for people who work five regular days a week. Pilots work around the clock.
Pilots legally require days off for different reasons to regular workers ie rest periods, 8 daysoff/roster period etc.
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Roster Changes
"You have changes to your schedule for which you have not yet been advised".
Gentlemen remember to check your system only before you leave home, to avoid them changing your flight to a Sh*** one.
Gentlemen remember to check your system only before you leave home, to avoid them changing your flight to a Sh*** one.
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Just recieved an email from CC ... Pathetic
Here it is"""""
17th Oct 2008
Dear Colleagues,
As I write these lines we are experiencing another difficult weekend in Flight Operations. I know you have all been subject to the changes of roster caused by various factors which are not in our control. We have had many technical problems recently on all the fleets. This has meant constant changes both of flights and aircraft, and for that reason your roster-stability has been suffering greatly. I am well aware that this has a direct impact on your life-style and I would like to thank you sincerely for your willingness to adapt to the changes of plan. Many of you have even been willing to help out by accepting to come to work on your days-off of even leave days, which has helped us in a big way.
All these changes also put enormous pressure on the crew-rostering department. The shortage of pilots (particularly on the A320 fleet) has made it extremely difficult to crew all the flights and this means that short-term changes have almost become the order of the day. This situation is being addressed by the Flight Ops management in various ways. The recruitment is in full swing and we are processing direct-entry pilots to join as A320 F/Os. Obviously it will take a little time before the newcomers will ease the situation since there is a limited capacity to the amount of training that can be handled on A320, but we are determined to stick to the Seniority System.
Apart from roster-stability, I know that one of the hot topics being discussed by the pilots at the moment is the issue of leave. There is a lot of speculation on this subject, which I hope I can clarify from a Flight Ops perspective. As far as I understand, all pilots have a leave entitlement of 50 days, which is written in the contracts. Until now, Gulf Air also granted 2 'travel days' which were mentioned in the HR manual. The travel days are applicable to all staff in the company. I understand that it is being considered to eliminate these days company-wide, although I have not yet seen this published anywhere. If this should happen, we are working on a contingency-plan, so that the effect of this for the pilots will be minimal. Please rest assured that we will be working on this in your best interests.
I hope that you all are not too affected by the changes over the next few days, and would like to thank you in advance for helping the company through this difficult period.
Best regards,
COO
And then when you write a CVR, they tell you write only facts, don't be emotional. Please apply it to your self first
Here it is"""""
17th Oct 2008
Dear Colleagues,
As I write these lines we are experiencing another difficult weekend in Flight Operations. I know you have all been subject to the changes of roster caused by various factors which are not in our control. We have had many technical problems recently on all the fleets. This has meant constant changes both of flights and aircraft, and for that reason your roster-stability has been suffering greatly. I am well aware that this has a direct impact on your life-style and I would like to thank you sincerely for your willingness to adapt to the changes of plan. Many of you have even been willing to help out by accepting to come to work on your days-off of even leave days, which has helped us in a big way.
All these changes also put enormous pressure on the crew-rostering department. The shortage of pilots (particularly on the A320 fleet) has made it extremely difficult to crew all the flights and this means that short-term changes have almost become the order of the day. This situation is being addressed by the Flight Ops management in various ways. The recruitment is in full swing and we are processing direct-entry pilots to join as A320 F/Os. Obviously it will take a little time before the newcomers will ease the situation since there is a limited capacity to the amount of training that can be handled on A320, but we are determined to stick to the Seniority System.
Apart from roster-stability, I know that one of the hot topics being discussed by the pilots at the moment is the issue of leave. There is a lot of speculation on this subject, which I hope I can clarify from a Flight Ops perspective. As far as I understand, all pilots have a leave entitlement of 50 days, which is written in the contracts. Until now, Gulf Air also granted 2 'travel days' which were mentioned in the HR manual. The travel days are applicable to all staff in the company. I understand that it is being considered to eliminate these days company-wide, although I have not yet seen this published anywhere. If this should happen, we are working on a contingency-plan, so that the effect of this for the pilots will be minimal. Please rest assured that we will be working on this in your best interests.
I hope that you all are not too affected by the changes over the next few days, and would like to thank you in advance for helping the company through this difficult period.
Best regards,
COO
And then when you write a CVR, they tell you write only facts, don't be emotional. Please apply it to your self first
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S*** is hitting the fan & all CC can do is send us a whining email thanking us before hand! He didn't even consider the loss of 2 days leave a major point as "we are experiencing another difficult weekend in Flight Operations". It seems he thinks the biggest problem is the technical status of the aircraft not pilots under his management being shafted by HR. Great management, maybe somebody should teach this donkey FORDEC. It might, at least, put him on the right track.
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This was discussed last year during the initial 'pay review'. They dumped the idea of reducing leave because the first 'package' offered nothing at all and to introduce a reduction would have been suicide. I was suprised to see them up the pay and keep the leave a few months later because that would have been the time to reduce the leave while claiming that the other Gulf carriers had 42 days leave.
Then again that was during the Ameena days and she had no clue how to go about it legally. This new guy may well be versed in the law (and connected) and, by the sounds of it, gunning to make the change.
This will be coming from the very top levels and I doubt CC has much say. The new VP came from a government post and, I would guess, gets his way more often than not.
I would say the GF guys banding together and doing what you have been doing is excellent. The few comments about Bahraini's working on days off etc might be true about a few of the senior captains who feel GF is their own personal airline but the rest have been fighting for the same things the expats have been - fair pay and improved rostering. It is good to see everyone sticking together!!!!!!!!!!
Then again that was during the Ameena days and she had no clue how to go about it legally. This new guy may well be versed in the law (and connected) and, by the sounds of it, gunning to make the change.
This will be coming from the very top levels and I doubt CC has much say. The new VP came from a government post and, I would guess, gets his way more often than not.
I would say the GF guys banding together and doing what you have been doing is excellent. The few comments about Bahraini's working on days off etc might be true about a few of the senior captains who feel GF is their own personal airline but the rest have been fighting for the same things the expats have been - fair pay and improved rostering. It is good to see everyone sticking together!!!!!!!!!!