Reduced Annual Leave for GF pilots
GF leave probably one of the best in the industry. Even with the planned reduction (if it materialises), you should see what else is out there. Now flying with a carrier that ranks high in the global list, but nevertheless the leave (and staff travel benefits) are nowhere near GF!
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i am shocked that is HR had work in Bahrain labour law and tryies to reduse our leave
that telles you he knows nathing about that law in bahrain
i think it's time to kick him out
that telles you he knows nathing about that law in bahrain
i think it's time to kick him out
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Its mr al banna
The new HR man is the one to blame he is the one that approved it, plus ops management looses too.
We should talk loudly about his corruption(appointing so many managers that the company dont realy want and how many and how much do the get a month).
Dont say its Naff no its him.
some one (captain) told me a good point .Its about an airline thats have 28 or 30 A/C with 30 to 35 destinations but has 2000 office employees and 200 managers with pay checks of 4 to 30 thousand BD a month .
We should talk loudly about his corruption(appointing so many managers that the company dont realy want and how many and how much do the get a month).
Dont say its Naff no its him.
some one (captain) told me a good point .Its about an airline thats have 28 or 30 A/C with 30 to 35 destinations but has 2000 office employees and 200 managers with pay checks of 4 to 30 thousand BD a month .
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HR could not do anything without the aproval of CEO.But anyone can pull the wool over his eyes.How much more proof does the board need to wake up to the fact that this job is too much for him?
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What's yellow bent and hangs round in bunches........a banana.
According to sources at the highest level this latest attack on Flight Crew T&C's originates with HR. However, for what it's worth, there will be no attempt to reduce the leave below the 50 days. HR is trying to justify itsself by removing the 2 travel days and recoup some 900+ days in doing so.
Gentlemen we must resist this, its the thin end of the wedge.....what next?
Get on those computers and right to the COO, HOFO, Fleet Managers etc etc Let them know we will not accept this unilateral action. Give them some ammunition with which to fight our corner.
According to sources at the highest level this latest attack on Flight Crew T&C's originates with HR. However, for what it's worth, there will be no attempt to reduce the leave below the 50 days. HR is trying to justify itsself by removing the 2 travel days and recoup some 900+ days in doing so.
Gentlemen we must resist this, its the thin end of the wedge.....what next?
Get on those computers and right to the COO, HOFO, Fleet Managers etc etc Let them know we will not accept this unilateral action. Give them some ammunition with which to fight our corner.
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This just received on company email from the HOFO....
Dear All,
Please note that it has come to my knowledge that two days travelling entitlement of leave have been removed.
I will discuss this issue with HR to find out on which basis this decision has been made and will inform you accordingly.
Best Regards,
On behalf of:
Dear All,
Please note that it has come to my knowledge that two days travelling entitlement of leave have been removed.
I will discuss this issue with HR to find out on which basis this decision has been made and will inform you accordingly.
Best Regards,
On behalf of:
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They save nothing by removing the two travel days because, if I remember correctly, they simply came from the minimum days off per month that you receive anyway! ( could be wrong though)
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still......the NERVE of banana-man!!! he doesn't get the point.
this all stems out of jealousy, a trait that keeps surfacing. if growth is on gf's minds and recruiting pilots is part of that plan, they had better be IMPROVING conditions, not the other way around.
losing 2 travelling days effectively reduces expats leave by two days that more often than not is required to get home.
this all stems out of jealousy, a trait that keeps surfacing. if growth is on gf's minds and recruiting pilots is part of that plan, they had better be IMPROVING conditions, not the other way around.
losing 2 travelling days effectively reduces expats leave by two days that more often than not is required to get home.
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Please note
Gentlemen,
Please note that if you do not take your 50 days leave you are not entitled to the 2 travel days. i.e you are entitled to 1 travel day per block of 25 days taken. Is this allocation of 25 days just a step to pre-empt the fact that you may not take your leave or have it cancelled any way?
May be HR has not terminated the 2 days but will tag it on once the 50 days are taken in 2 separate blocks. If you take only 1 slot or part thereof you are only entitled to one extra day.
Please note that if you do not take your 50 days leave you are not entitled to the 2 travel days. i.e you are entitled to 1 travel day per block of 25 days taken. Is this allocation of 25 days just a step to pre-empt the fact that you may not take your leave or have it cancelled any way?
May be HR has not terminated the 2 days but will tag it on once the 50 days are taken in 2 separate blocks. If you take only 1 slot or part thereof you are only entitled to one extra day.
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not six days..?
Gentlemen.......it is the time ......just glance the below and try to work it out.....
As extracted from FCAM
14.6.1 Entitlement.
Technical crew are entitled to 42 cleander days of annual leave per year, 8 days in liue of public holidays, and an addition 2 days traveling time, per year.The traveling time shall be granted when a minimum of 12 calender days is taken in one block.
However the personal manual disputes the above as following:
1- Grade 1 - 9 who worked for 5 years , the annual leave is 21 days, and if he worked for more than 5 yrs entitlement is 28 days.
2- Grade 10 and above who worked for 5 years, the annual leave is 25 days, if he worked for more than 5 yrs the entitlement is 28 days.
and bothe above base on working days.
3- Cabin crew 36 days
4- Fleet teck crew 50 days.
and above base on calender days.
so by doing a simple comparison between the final outcome of leave days for general who worked for more than 5 years and pilots...is as follow:
general staff 5 yrs and above
leave entitled ..28(working days)
Weekend days ..12 (because of
working days)
public holidays ..16
traveling days.. nil
TOTAL 56
Fleet Technical crew
Leave entitled... 42 ( clender days)
Weekend days off ..... nil
public holidays..... 8
traveling days...... 2
TOTAL ..... 52
now by reducing it two more days so we will be 6 days less...
Now either fight or lose........best way...just simply stop flying in your days off and leaves.......let us teach mr A.A a lesson...and rest of the HR team.....just say no...and wait...i am sure we will win.... V1....rotate.........
As extracted from FCAM
14.6.1 Entitlement.
Technical crew are entitled to 42 cleander days of annual leave per year, 8 days in liue of public holidays, and an addition 2 days traveling time, per year.The traveling time shall be granted when a minimum of 12 calender days is taken in one block.
However the personal manual disputes the above as following:
1- Grade 1 - 9 who worked for 5 years , the annual leave is 21 days, and if he worked for more than 5 yrs entitlement is 28 days.
2- Grade 10 and above who worked for 5 years, the annual leave is 25 days, if he worked for more than 5 yrs the entitlement is 28 days.
and bothe above base on working days.
3- Cabin crew 36 days
4- Fleet teck crew 50 days.
and above base on calender days.
so by doing a simple comparison between the final outcome of leave days for general who worked for more than 5 years and pilots...is as follow:
general staff 5 yrs and above
leave entitled ..28(working days)
Weekend days ..12 (because of
working days)
public holidays ..16
traveling days.. nil
TOTAL 56
Fleet Technical crew
Leave entitled... 42 ( clender days)
Weekend days off ..... nil
public holidays..... 8
traveling days...... 2
TOTAL ..... 52
now by reducing it two more days so we will be 6 days less...
Now either fight or lose........best way...just simply stop flying in your days off and leaves.......let us teach mr A.A a lesson...and rest of the HR team.....just say no...and wait...i am sure we will win.... V1....rotate.........
Last edited by keep_dreaming; 10th Oct 2008 at 17:05.
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fire A.A + HR
rostering in shiii####
..... they calling every one like a mad....well done boys, keep holding........let our managers knows who are we......... the situation will not get better, till we see A.A out of office.......this is the first warning....... +ve rate......gear up.
..... they calling every one like a mad....well done boys, keep holding........let our managers knows who are we......... the situation will not get better, till we see A.A out of office.......this is the first warning....... +ve rate......gear up.
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Hey let us all try to bring Gulfair to its knees and then we can all be out of work.Great idea,especially at the moment with the world going through such a crisis.I am certainly up for it can not wait to be un-employed.Maybe Keep-Dreaming can start his own airline and we can all have a job with him.!!!!!!!!!
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this is not an issue...GF will never go out of busines....what is a different between having an idiot head of planner which he do not know any thing about aviation and having a crash very soon , by making pilot so under pressure.....just wake up .....if GF goes out of business which i doubt....there are a lot of companies around which willing to take you in...... if we keep quiet..at the end you will be neglected, in this world........ pilot= prestige ....my friend...i been here so long ...i know all this shi######, keep quiet and lose ......... if not stabilize-------go around
, keep quiet and lose ......... if not stabilize-------go around
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This whole leave debacle is the brainchild of Mr Baharna, Chief People Officer & our gracious leader Mr Been-Here-Long-eNaf & guess what? These two are still trying to figure out how to screw us out of even more leave!!!