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Eid in 4 days time and if many of us still dont know wether we are celebrating Eid or flying some where then it proves only one thing that we have got some really incompetent staff running the crew planning department.
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Guys Seriously!!!
Look back x amount of years with GF and has anything really changed? These were the same BS I dealt with 3 years ago under hogie. The bored, dosey and naf and guess what ... nothing changes.
You guys are getting screwed and you are your own worst enemies.
STOP THE MADNESS!!!
ps ... everything will be fine soon ... enshallah!
Look back x amount of years with GF and has anything really changed? These were the same BS I dealt with 3 years ago under hogie. The bored, dosey and naf and guess what ... nothing changes.
You guys are getting screwed and you are your own worst enemies.
STOP THE MADNESS!!!
ps ... everything will be fine soon ... enshallah!
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what a joke that the f/a's get their rosters first since all the fracas had been about them.
now waiting for all locals to go sick during eid while my roster gets chopped and changed HOURLY.
i wonder what will happen if expats go sick as well. will there be a bidding system on who gets priority sick leaves? will it be based on seniority or just....arab-ness? i think i will fall ill....just to find out.
now waiting for all locals to go sick during eid while my roster gets chopped and changed HOURLY.
i wonder what will happen if expats go sick as well. will there be a bidding system on who gets priority sick leaves? will it be based on seniority or just....arab-ness? i think i will fall ill....just to find out.
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well the rostering has gotten a lot worse since AA has taken over. we are short but the attitude of "let's get them for what we can" has taken over in the pink palace for short term hopefully. GF is a good place but the lack of control is seriously concerning. Let's hope in the future they can get it together. These late rosters are getting ridiculous!!!!!
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The objective was to maximize the crew utilization..unfortunately this had some undesireable side effects which were felt by us and the operation as a whole. Hopefully over the next couple months the blocks will be reconstructed allowing a smoother operation, and more desireable environment for the crews...320 in particular
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Hopefully over the next couple months the blocks will be reconstructed allowing a smoother operation
Wake up Ironbutt, you are dreaming.
AA and his team only react to one thingh: crew sickness rate. They don't care about line feed back or common sense. It is sad but it is our only way to communicate with them. They pack the roster to the legal limit and wait to see the sickness rate to plan for the following month.
Smoooooooooooooth operator!
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IB i think u are dreaming. Just thank Allah the Chief threw a hissy fit over 12hr BKK and Indian turns for the crew. Just makes me wonder hwo they got in the roster withour being approved by anyone other than AA. The real problem in the theology of how the department is run. Seems to me they are just packing things in and hoping it works with no real regard for crew safety or common sense. Just got of phone with a friend going out this morning after he arrived yesterday late morning from an all nighter. To me this seems typical. Anyways I am glad we are all on here again complaining about somehting got to quiet for a while 
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I'm normally quite a keen worker but I must say that my last block was a bit on the rough side.
First day, BAH-KRT-BAH-KWI, minimum rest, next day KWI-BAH-DEL-BAH. That's sixteen and a half hours in two days! As much as I prepared for this block, there was nothing to prevent fatigue set in.
I hope IB57 is right that this does not continue on it's present course.
First day, BAH-KRT-BAH-KWI, minimum rest, next day KWI-BAH-DEL-BAH. That's sixteen and a half hours in two days! As much as I prepared for this block, there was nothing to prevent fatigue set in.
I hope IB57 is right that this does not continue on it's present course.
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Interested to know if Ironbutt flys a full months line roster for several years or has retired hurt into the simulator feather bed....that is what used to happen when seniors could not hack the line flying in my time their....refreshed they then got a job eastwards.
Gf has been running short of at least 11 crews to make a legal roster to my knowledge since 1977..Gf rosters are dependent on pilots selling leave/working on rest days/and extending duty/and reduceing rests to help out....
We swallowed this sob story and cooperated for 25plus years and still it is a mess for you guys...things did not get better.
I hope you do not enjoy your Rad Gammage moment and treatment which will follow...a serious health event is the sure result of this abuse.
If I had my time over again at GF I would never fly on my days off and work the roster to the selfish max like the As are said to now do...they are smart..best command decision I ever made was not to sell leave it probably saved my life when my rostering heart attack arrived...just enough energy remained in my tank to survive. I joined on the same day as Rad we both worked our butts off...he hung around a few more years than me and paid a higher price.
If you ask a cardio doctor like I did in 1988 to look at your GF roster he will tell you to retire at 40 if you want to make 70+
Your rosters today are considerably more intense than Rads and mine were.
Glad to read Ironbutt has made it into the sim for a well earned rest and does not fly on his days off...he is smarter than we were.
Gf has been running short of at least 11 crews to make a legal roster to my knowledge since 1977..Gf rosters are dependent on pilots selling leave/working on rest days/and extending duty/and reduceing rests to help out....
We swallowed this sob story and cooperated for 25plus years and still it is a mess for you guys...things did not get better.
I hope you do not enjoy your Rad Gammage moment and treatment which will follow...a serious health event is the sure result of this abuse.
If I had my time over again at GF I would never fly on my days off and work the roster to the selfish max like the As are said to now do...they are smart..best command decision I ever made was not to sell leave it probably saved my life when my rostering heart attack arrived...just enough energy remained in my tank to survive. I joined on the same day as Rad we both worked our butts off...he hung around a few more years than me and paid a higher price.
If you ask a cardio doctor like I did in 1988 to look at your GF roster he will tell you to retire at 40 if you want to make 70+
Your rosters today are considerably more intense than Rads and mine were.
Glad to read Ironbutt has made it into the sim for a well earned rest and does not fly on his days off...he is smarter than we were.
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I think AA and the crew had a long row to hoe, and responded in kind..attempting to save money on hotels maximize crew utilization...unfortunately due to the nature of our operation, and flight timings, one small hiccup let to service reliability problems...making the potential savings unworkable..there appears to be a lack of understanding of human factors by some there as well...hopefully it's sorted
and yes...hail to the chief for putting the brakes on an otherwise unteneble situation...
and yes...hail to the chief for putting the brakes on an otherwise unteneble situation...
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I do a combination of both, not enough flying I'm afraid..but have been there done that with the night turns, 4 sectors with the last being into a cat-c airport.(no, I'm not a "seagull" don't have to throw a rock at me to make me fly)..they don't ring me on days off..it's a lost cause for them
..not that I'm un cooperative in spirit..but just relish my days off..
Let's not forget that AA himself was very much in favor of purchasing the additional AIMS modules necessary to allow a preferential bidding/equalization system to be put in place...it may have well saved crewing costs many times more than it's own cost...
..not that I'm un cooperative in spirit..but just relish my days off..Let's not forget that AA himself was very much in favor of purchasing the additional AIMS modules necessary to allow a preferential bidding/equalization system to be put in place...it may have well saved crewing costs many times more than it's own cost...
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who is this AA? You work to the edge of legality and the system breaks when the system hiccups. Usually a proper planning department has a cost analysis and determines that sickness, disruptions, fatigue are a clear sign that more money is being spent in other areas in the company that are in direct relationships to the crew welfare. Any incident and the house of cards in that place will fall. Some unlucky driver, crew and pax pay the price at best with losing their career. The other scenario is unthinkable.§
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I have version 1.0 of the latest roster, it almost looks well balanced. We will see at version 7.0 or 8.0 how it looks for the month.
Good luck to all.
Better late than never.
Good luck to all.
Better late than never.
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Hi IB
I'm afraid your chief has got to do a little better than this...I saw a friend's roster that had a trip that squeezed in 23hrs and 20mins in under 37 hrs.
Anybody able to top this?
I'm afraid your chief has got to do a little better than this...I saw a friend's roster that had a trip that squeezed in 23hrs and 20mins in under 37 hrs.
Anybody able to top this?
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already on version two 0.2. departure delayed into the early hours tomorrow. As I'm pushing the envelope age wise these delays and all through the night flights will start taking there toll. I should heed 40 & 80's warning.