Terrible Road Accident Rate in the UAE.
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The last 2 posts on the lunacy and stupidity of these locals are spot on.
The "get out of my country attitude" just shows their real colours.
Let them all die ,just please dont kill innocent people.Hey thats a thought ,this place would be kinda nice without them
The "get out of my country attitude" just shows their real colours.
Let them all die ,just please dont kill innocent people.Hey thats a thought ,this place would be kinda nice without them
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The solution to local lads killing themselves and others in fast cars is really simple, as with "born again bikers" in the UK the horsepower of the machines they are allowed to drive is physically limited by a shunt in the exhaust system.
That way you can ride or drive any flash motor you want but it has the perfrormance of a shopping trolley!
Only trouble is that it will not be applied or enforced.
Alwayz
That way you can ride or drive any flash motor you want but it has the perfrormance of a shopping trolley!
Only trouble is that it will not be applied or enforced.
Alwayz
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You can't blame anybody when some people who never lived out of their village are racists and idiots. This is valid for any nationality. The lack of education, open mind and experience can easily explain this.
What disturbs me is when I read some comments from expatriates, and especially pilots who are supposed to be little bit more educated, open minded and experienced about the "global village".
If some of you are concerned (I understand why) by SOME local driving skills, it can be expressed in an adult and polite way. When it goes to Darwin selection and that some "stupid local morons that deserve to die" expressions are used, it is pure primal racism which shouldn't be tolerated by decent people over this forum. I just stopped wondering why so unhappy people are still working here, but at least try to express yourself in a way that would show your education matches your profession requirements.
Thank you for your understanding.
What disturbs me is when I read some comments from expatriates, and especially pilots who are supposed to be little bit more educated, open minded and experienced about the "global village".
If some of you are concerned (I understand why) by SOME local driving skills, it can be expressed in an adult and polite way. When it goes to Darwin selection and that some "stupid local morons that deserve to die" expressions are used, it is pure primal racism which shouldn't be tolerated by decent people over this forum. I just stopped wondering why so unhappy people are still working here, but at least try to express yourself in a way that would show your education matches your profession requirements.
Thank you for your understanding.
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You can't blame anybody when some people who never lived out of their village are racists and idiots. This is valid for any nationality. The lack of education, open mind and experience can easily explain this.
f some of you are concerned (I understand why) by SOME local driving skills, it can be expressed in an adult and polite way.
When it goes to Darwin selection and that some "stupid local morons that deserve to die" expressions are used, it is pure primal racism
Thank you for your understanding.
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I had to laugh yesterday (because noone was hurt), local in 4x4 tank ignores fact that I'm on the roundabout 5 feet from him as he pulls out without a single glance.. ( its why i drive automatics,, foot always hovering by brake). 10 seconds later he is wiped out on other side of roundabout by another local driving a bigger tank, who also didnt bother looking before driving on.. classic.
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One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic. -Joseph Stalin
There are all kinds of drivers here in Dubai. Todays news paper talks about 5 deaths in just one accident involving a van. The other day it was a pedestrian. All these tragedies end up as a statistic, which has no effect on the general public driving here. I simply dont understand the need for speed! I lost a friend in a car accident, and know of a girl who's still learning to walk after 2 years of her horrific accident.
There are all kinds of drivers here in Dubai. Todays news paper talks about 5 deaths in just one accident involving a van. The other day it was a pedestrian. All these tragedies end up as a statistic, which has no effect on the general public driving here. I simply dont understand the need for speed! I lost a friend in a car accident, and know of a girl who's still learning to walk after 2 years of her horrific accident.
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Hey Sispanys,
You are all a bunch of racist, hatefilled lunatics on the road and I now laugh when ever I hear of more local road deaths as it means the road is just that bit safer for the rest of us.
You are all a bunch of racist, hatefilled lunatics on the road and I now laugh when ever I hear of more local road deaths as it means the road is just that bit safer for the rest of us.
I guess he thought that my life was not worth much as he forced me into the dirt at 130kph.
It was either that or a head on with a truck.
It was either that or a head on with a truck.
By the way there is no road on the way to Munsadam where you can legally drive 130 kph... do you mean you were speeding ?
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sispanys ria - while I don't agree in whole with LR3's wording or opinion, your head is in the sand if you cannot understand how someone can be driven off the road. Can you not see that if someone in the opposite direction overtakes, he can leave you with no place to go except for the ditch or the wrong lane???? Equally someone in your direction could overtake YOU, then brake for no good reason, again leaving you with a choice of hitting the back of him, hitting the ditch, or driving into the wrong lane.
While it would be wrong to say that all locals are bad drivers, it is equally wrong to regard drunk driving as the sole excuse for deaths on the roads here. The vast majority of expats would not dare drive when drunk, even if they would happily drive after 2 pints of beer in their homes countries (where that is usually just under the legal limit).
How about taking a step back and realising that bad driving is a problem here, and powerful cars in the hands of inexperienced drivers makes that problem worse. Some nationalities appear more willing than others to tailgate at speed, turn without looking or signalling, and to drive in an aggressive fashion. However much we may wish to avoid that conclusion and the inevitable stereotyping involved, the evidence is reinforced every day.
While it would be wrong to say that all locals are bad drivers, it is equally wrong to regard drunk driving as the sole excuse for deaths on the roads here. The vast majority of expats would not dare drive when drunk, even if they would happily drive after 2 pints of beer in their homes countries (where that is usually just under the legal limit).
How about taking a step back and realising that bad driving is a problem here, and powerful cars in the hands of inexperienced drivers makes that problem worse. Some nationalities appear more willing than others to tailgate at speed, turn without looking or signalling, and to drive in an aggressive fashion. However much we may wish to avoid that conclusion and the inevitable stereotyping involved, the evidence is reinforced every day.
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Scooby, when I mentioned drunk drivers I was referring to foreign countries where lots of people are also dying on the roads, not because of crazy driving but for alcohol. I just meant there is no point to say that a guy is more dangerous than another just because one is from UAE while the other might be a nasty european boozer.
I am not pretending that LR3 wasn't pushed out of the road, I just asked for more info to understand how he could be pushed to face a truck and exceed speed limits because of this mighty local driver...
I am not pretending that LR3 wasn't pushed out of the road, I just asked for more info to understand how he could be pushed to face a truck and exceed speed limits because of this mighty local driver...
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Well, bad as drunk driving is, apparently it's not as bad as bad driving.
This is a copy and paste from Drive and Stay Alive -- Home Page
If you remove the deaths caused in Europe and the USA by drunk drivers and assume (this is a huge assumption, and frankly I include it more for amusement than anything else...) that NONE of the deaths in the UAE were caused by local drunk drivers, then the UAE fares even worse in this comparison.
This is a copy and paste from Drive and Stay Alive -- Home Page
In 2003, there were 7,397 serious traffic accidents in the UAE, 873 deaths & over 10,000 injuries. Relative to the number of vehicles on the road, UAE has six times more deaths from road traffic accidents per year than the USA & Europe.
If you remove the deaths caused in Europe and the USA by drunk drivers and assume (this is a huge assumption, and frankly I include it more for amusement than anything else...) that NONE of the deaths in the UAE were caused by local drunk drivers, then the UAE fares even worse in this comparison.
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If you want to look at the numbers it's also interesting to check the evolution.
The number of registered cars in UAE reached 1 million in 1999 with 9000 crashes and 900 deaths.
End 2007 we had 1,7 millions of registered cars, 6800 crashes and 830 deaths.
In addition, since the 1st of march and the increase of minimum fine in Dubai, the amount of deadly accident decreased by 14% (compared to other Emirates).
It takes time to change bad habits, but I'm not sure western countries did evolve faster.
30 years ago being drunk or not wearing the seat belt wasn't a problem in Europe.
The number of registered cars in UAE reached 1 million in 1999 with 9000 crashes and 900 deaths.
End 2007 we had 1,7 millions of registered cars, 6800 crashes and 830 deaths.
In addition, since the 1st of march and the increase of minimum fine in Dubai, the amount of deadly accident decreased by 14% (compared to other Emirates).
It takes time to change bad habits, but I'm not sure western countries did evolve faster.
30 years ago being drunk or not wearing the seat belt wasn't a problem in Europe.
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It ishan indispotable fact that drinken......drunken driversh cause 19.772% of all road accshidents. Shurely thish means you sober buggers should get off our roadsh and leave us in pieces.......peace? We have way less accidentsh than you lot!
P.S. My boss din't know I drank until I shobered up once!
P.S. My boss din't know I drank until I shobered up once!
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Five dead on SZR. But according to the chief of police or whatever the title here is, it is the fault of company that hired the driver. You see if THE COMPANY had just given proper instruction and education to the driver (rest his soul) all would be ok. No mention by the head gumba of the police that if there were some decent law enforcement on the roads.....Oh well, ain't never goin' to happen. Just shift the blame. But all hell breaks loose if a couple is found to be engaging on the beach in "inappropriate behavior"...front page news, editorials, letters to the newspaper. But carnage on the highways...biz as usual.
Ya'll be careful out there, ya hear.
Ya'll be careful out there, ya hear.
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I find it hard to believe anyone is defending the driving practices of many people in Dubai.
Syspa.. you state, ''Local drivers are not more or less dangerous just on an origin basis and I'm sure you are not stupid enough to mix these things.''
I know for a fact that driving skills and attitudes are often a direct result of 'origin basis'
Even the statistics prove it. What was the latest??..... 15% Emirati drivers and 80% involvement in fatal accidents. This is not one of those statistics manipulated to lead to an otherwise contestable opinion. It is irrefutable evidence of what any sane individual who has experienced driving in Dubai, already knows. I would even wager that the TRUE statistics are much more conclusive.
As far as drinking and driving goes in other countries.......... It is not only socially unacceptable (which says alot), it is illegal. In Dubai, it is socially acceptable to drive like a moron.
There are 2 reasons this Dubai attitude must be addressed. And I believe it is ALL about attitude by the way.
1. They are killing innocent people each and every day in Dubai.
2. They are killing themselves and in particular their youth.
I am not talking just about the inability to remain in the center of one's lane, or the lack of use of indicators, or the barging into any space available even if it delays or hinders an entire line of traffic, or the overall lack of courtesy. I am also referring to the erratic lane changes at high speed, the lack of knowledge regarding basic physics of a vehicle and yes I'll say it again, ATTITUDE !
It is true though that expats (sadly usually expat wives) drive in Dubai in a different manner than in their homeland. It is a temptation hard to resist for some. Rudeness and ignorance breeds more rudeness and ignorance. If anyone demonstrated the Dubai driving attitude in my homeland, they would eventually get dragged from their car and taught a lesson. Of course it usually would not get that far as the Police would have done their job already.
The only thing that will change driving in Dubai is if the Police watch for, apprehend and then arrest or charge individuals who are putting themselves and others at risk due to their stupidity. Due to the 'CLASS' system in place, that will never happen.
The problem is ATTITUDE. The answer is ENFORCEMENT. Neither of which will change in the foreseeable future in Dubai.
Syspanis Ria, I truly hope that no one you know or love gets killed by one of these idiots on the road. I know you would be questioning your beliefs when the cops handed YOU or your family the pink slip as the ambulance drove away.
Syspa.. you state, ''Local drivers are not more or less dangerous just on an origin basis and I'm sure you are not stupid enough to mix these things.''
I know for a fact that driving skills and attitudes are often a direct result of 'origin basis'
Even the statistics prove it. What was the latest??..... 15% Emirati drivers and 80% involvement in fatal accidents. This is not one of those statistics manipulated to lead to an otherwise contestable opinion. It is irrefutable evidence of what any sane individual who has experienced driving in Dubai, already knows. I would even wager that the TRUE statistics are much more conclusive.
As far as drinking and driving goes in other countries.......... It is not only socially unacceptable (which says alot), it is illegal. In Dubai, it is socially acceptable to drive like a moron.
There are 2 reasons this Dubai attitude must be addressed. And I believe it is ALL about attitude by the way.
1. They are killing innocent people each and every day in Dubai.
2. They are killing themselves and in particular their youth.
I am not talking just about the inability to remain in the center of one's lane, or the lack of use of indicators, or the barging into any space available even if it delays or hinders an entire line of traffic, or the overall lack of courtesy. I am also referring to the erratic lane changes at high speed, the lack of knowledge regarding basic physics of a vehicle and yes I'll say it again, ATTITUDE !
It is true though that expats (sadly usually expat wives) drive in Dubai in a different manner than in their homeland. It is a temptation hard to resist for some. Rudeness and ignorance breeds more rudeness and ignorance. If anyone demonstrated the Dubai driving attitude in my homeland, they would eventually get dragged from their car and taught a lesson. Of course it usually would not get that far as the Police would have done their job already.
The only thing that will change driving in Dubai is if the Police watch for, apprehend and then arrest or charge individuals who are putting themselves and others at risk due to their stupidity. Due to the 'CLASS' system in place, that will never happen.
The problem is ATTITUDE. The answer is ENFORCEMENT. Neither of which will change in the foreseeable future in Dubai.
Syspanis Ria, I truly hope that no one you know or love gets killed by one of these idiots on the road. I know you would be questioning your beliefs when the cops handed YOU or your family the pink slip as the ambulance drove away.
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Synapsis, I will give you credit for sticking to your guns but it is defending the indefencible. You can argue that evolution takes time and that other countires took years to solve their traffic deaths and you would be right. But the UAE has the benefit of that evolution but choses to ignore it and do it all again for themselves.
There are three main causes of motor fatalities around the world (ignoring IEDs) Alcohol, Fatigue and Speed. In the UAE the first cause is greatly minimised by the law and the punishment for breaking it, the second is a function of geography, generally speaking drivers don't drive far enough on a regular basis for it to be a factor. That leaves the three main causes in the UAE as Speed, Speed and Speed. If the influence of drinking can be minimised by the law why isn't there the will to slow these jokers down by the same means? Perhaps a fatalistic culture would explain some of it.
There are three main causes of motor fatalities around the world (ignoring IEDs) Alcohol, Fatigue and Speed. In the UAE the first cause is greatly minimised by the law and the punishment for breaking it, the second is a function of geography, generally speaking drivers don't drive far enough on a regular basis for it to be a factor. That leaves the three main causes in the UAE as Speed, Speed and Speed. If the influence of drinking can be minimised by the law why isn't there the will to slow these jokers down by the same means? Perhaps a fatalistic culture would explain some of it.
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I don't agree that speed is "one of the three main causes" of road deaths. Innappropriate speed is certainly a killer. I would feel a great deal safer though, if the police would deal with unsignalled and unnecessary lanes changes, unsafe pulling out from intersections, barging into spaces that don't exist prior to the barging, slowing down to 40 km/h in the middle lane of SZR/Emirates Road while trying to work out if this is the right exit, etc etc etc, rather than just putting up the odd mobile speed camera.
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I saw the aftermath of the 5 x fatal accident on the Al Gahroud Bridge approach road two days ago quite soon after it occurred. Not to speak ill of the dead - (I'm asuming the driver of the minivan was one of the dead - if he survived, with roof of the van ripped completely off, I'd love to know how) - but I've had some bad scares on more than one occasion by minivan drivers who were driving, with a 8-10 passengers on board, like absolute maniacs. (I could have ended that last sentence totally politically incorrectly, if accurately, by saying "...like locals".)
I may be completely off target here when I say that I suspect so many of these bus drivers drive this way because they're under totally unrealistic "get to destination by xxx" deadlines by their employers and probably get penalised if they are late. Can anyone refute this?
I may be completely off target here when I say that I suspect so many of these bus drivers drive this way because they're under totally unrealistic "get to destination by xxx" deadlines by their employers and probably get penalised if they are late. Can anyone refute this?
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