Salary in EK
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Hey guys,
Just got one question and was wondering if you could help me out. Its to do with EK salary. On the website it says that for FO's the salary is $20,000AED/month approx. It also says that hourly pay is $35AED/hour upto the productivity limit which is 78 hours. Does this mean that you get 20K plus 78*35 for a 78 hour month, which means that the pay is approx 23000K?
Are FO's getting much overtime in EK? Thanks for the help guys
azamat
Just got one question and was wondering if you could help me out. Its to do with EK salary. On the website it says that for FO's the salary is $20,000AED/month approx. It also says that hourly pay is $35AED/hour upto the productivity limit which is 78 hours. Does this mean that you get 20K plus 78*35 for a 78 hour month, which means that the pay is approx 23000K?
Are FO's getting much overtime in EK? Thanks for the help guys
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Here are the pay figures for F/O:
Basically we get paid for flying hours at the hourly rate of AED35 up to the threshold for the month. Now depending on the length of the month that is 70 hours for a 28 day month, 73 hours for a 29 day month, 76 hours for a 30 day month and 78 hours for a 31 day month. Any flying done above these thresholds we get paid an overtime rate of AED325/hour. If you accept a duty on a day off you also receive a payment of AED650.
EG. My roster for March indicates 98 block hours, therefore March is a 31 day month so AED35 x 78 hours = AED2730 Flight Pay
I did 98 block hours minus 78 hours = 20 hours, therefore 20 hours x AED325 = AED6500 overtime
Basic Salary AED21470
Telephone allowance AED100
Exchange Rate Protection AED1610 (for an Australian F/O)
So I received about AED32410 for the month, so that = 8824USD/5619EUR/9492AUD
Last month I did 20 hours of overtime on the Boeing 777
I hope this helps
Basically we get paid for flying hours at the hourly rate of AED35 up to the threshold for the month. Now depending on the length of the month that is 70 hours for a 28 day month, 73 hours for a 29 day month, 76 hours for a 30 day month and 78 hours for a 31 day month. Any flying done above these thresholds we get paid an overtime rate of AED325/hour. If you accept a duty on a day off you also receive a payment of AED650.
EG. My roster for March indicates 98 block hours, therefore March is a 31 day month so AED35 x 78 hours = AED2730 Flight Pay
I did 98 block hours minus 78 hours = 20 hours, therefore 20 hours x AED325 = AED6500 overtime
Basic Salary AED21470
Telephone allowance AED100
Exchange Rate Protection AED1610 (for an Australian F/O)
So I received about AED32410 for the month, so that = 8824USD/5619EUR/9492AUD
Last month I did 20 hours of overtime on the Boeing 777
I hope this helps
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thanks alot bypass, that makes alot of sense to me..i was on the right track then!!!
I have been given a slot on the 777 later this year with EK so i just wanted to get my facts in order first, are you guys doing that many hours a month or is 98 a non normal month? a few guys have been telling me they are averaging 50-55hours, which seems really low, on average how many hours have you been doing in the past 6months?
thanks again for the info mate
cheers
I have been given a slot on the 777 later this year with EK so i just wanted to get my facts in order first, are you guys doing that many hours a month or is 98 a non normal month? a few guys have been telling me they are averaging 50-55hours, which seems really low, on average how many hours have you been doing in the past 6months?
thanks again for the info mate
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I have been with the company for about 16 months and have done about 1080 hours. Mind you, I have taken my full complement of annual leave. Last month was a big month for overtime I must say, but I was in top bid group and wrote my own roster. Overtime varies by fleet/monthly/seasonal variations. I choose to work hard some months and choose to do fcuk all in other months. If you want it you can usually get it. I know I might get a mouthful from the Airbus guys in saying this, but if you join the 777 fleet you have the capacity to earn much more than an Airbus guy and have a much better lifestyle as the 777 does short/medium/long and ultra long haul patterns. I think at last count we had 33 differen't layovers on the 777 covering every continent on earth.
I think the yearly pay rise is 3% but don't quote me on that. Whatever it is, it is fcuk all
I think the yearly pay rise is 3% but don't quote me on that. Whatever it is, it is fcuk all
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To fly or to live ?
tks By PASS
You sheded a light on the EK salary problem.
This it confirms why Europeans are not joining anymore, untill something will happens...
5600 euros for 98 hours ???!!!!
Although I passed the assesment, I have big doubts if to join the airline.
Why ?
Here the average is : 5600 euros/60 h per month (meal allowance included) and no layovers, just daily turnarounds. usually 4 trips a day.
Flying just on the A320 F.
Is it still worth the bargain ?
Any advise from europeans ?
Maybe it would be better to get our bunch of euros and go on holidays... in the USA or Asia.
You sheded a light on the EK salary problem.
This it confirms why Europeans are not joining anymore, untill something will happens...
5600 euros for 98 hours ???!!!!
Although I passed the assesment, I have big doubts if to join the airline.
Why ?
Here the average is : 5600 euros/60 h per month (meal allowance included) and no layovers, just daily turnarounds. usually 4 trips a day.
Flying just on the A320 F.
Is it still worth the bargain ?
Any advise from europeans ?
Maybe it would be better to get our bunch of euros and go on holidays... in the USA or Asia.
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What's your salary worth?
Gulf News yesterday:
Gulf currencies plunge drastically since 2002
By Babu Das Augustine, Banking Editor
Published: April 08, 2008, 00:06
Dubai: The UAE dirham depreciated 37 per cent against a basket of 11 currencies of the GCC's leading trading partners in the past five years.
All other Gulf currencies with the exception of the Kuwaiti dinar also declined by 37 to 47 per cent. The Kuwaiti dinar, which was de-linked from the dollar and pegged against an undisclosed basket of currencies last May, depreciated 23 per cent in the same period, according to an estimate by NCB Capital, a Saudi Arabia-based investment bank.
The currency depreciation effectively means higher imported inflation in the region, adding to the overall inflation caused by factors such as supply shortages and surging demand due to the regional economic boom.
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While currency flexibility enabled Kuwait to limit effective depreciation substantially, according to NCB Capital's estimates the Saudi riyal, UAE dirham and Qatari riyal have depreciated 40 per cent, 37 per cent and 47 per cent respectively in nominal terms and the dollar declined 78 per cent against the euro and 40 per cent against sterling.
Gulf News yesterday:
Gulf currencies plunge drastically since 2002
By Babu Das Augustine, Banking Editor
Published: April 08, 2008, 00:06
Dubai: The UAE dirham depreciated 37 per cent against a basket of 11 currencies of the GCC's leading trading partners in the past five years.
All other Gulf currencies with the exception of the Kuwaiti dinar also declined by 37 to 47 per cent. The Kuwaiti dinar, which was de-linked from the dollar and pegged against an undisclosed basket of currencies last May, depreciated 23 per cent in the same period, according to an estimate by NCB Capital, a Saudi Arabia-based investment bank.
The currency depreciation effectively means higher imported inflation in the region, adding to the overall inflation caused by factors such as supply shortages and surging demand due to the regional economic boom.
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While currency flexibility enabled Kuwait to limit effective depreciation substantially, according to NCB Capital's estimates the Saudi riyal, UAE dirham and Qatari riyal have depreciated 40 per cent, 37 per cent and 47 per cent respectively in nominal terms and the dollar declined 78 per cent against the euro and 40 per cent against sterling.
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Yes, of course free house....
but if I fly 98h here, I will be able to rent 2 appartments, not just one ...(1 at the seaside for days off and 1 downtown)
This is was my doubt! To live or to fly ?
Is it better to fly on a small plane, midsize airline, short flights,no carrer future (just command course after 11 years) and getting 5600E/60H, or flying brain new equipments,big airline, awarding progression and getting 5600e/98 hours ?
The money or the glory ?
but if I fly 98h here, I will be able to rent 2 appartments, not just one ...(1 at the seaside for days off and 1 downtown)
This is was my doubt! To live or to fly ?
Is it better to fly on a small plane, midsize airline, short flights,no carrer future (just command course after 11 years) and getting 5600E/60H, or flying brain new equipments,big airline, awarding progression and getting 5600e/98 hours ?
The money or the glory ?
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Hmm those earnings are about £1000-1300 more (after tax) than i get at my current charter employer here in the UK on a 320/330. Although i barely work 50hrs a month...
So the 777 drivers get a better deal than the 'bus boys hey? How many hrs is a 'bus driver getting per month?
Finally is the 777 seeing more destinations and/or better rosters in general?
I can see why everyone's PO'd though... £4400approx and the Dirham is now worth 30% less than a few years ago. That kind of money would have brought home around £5500-6000........ Thats depressing...
So the 777 drivers get a better deal than the 'bus boys hey? How many hrs is a 'bus driver getting per month?
Finally is the 777 seeing more destinations and/or better rosters in general?
I can see why everyone's PO'd though... £4400approx and the Dirham is now worth 30% less than a few years ago. That kind of money would have brought home around £5500-6000........ Thats depressing...
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@ Biypass ratio ...
" I think at last count we had 33 differen't layovers on the 777 covering every continent on earth"
Ohhhhh - i didn't know we're flying to Antarctica already as well -
but - hey - i've forgot: Keep Discovering !
" I think at last count we had 33 differen't layovers on the 777 covering every continent on earth"
Ohhhhh - i didn't know we're flying to Antarctica already as well -
but - hey - i've forgot: Keep Discovering !
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Whoa!
Please allow me to inject a note of caution here.
As most investment advertisements quote in the fineprint "past performance does not guarantee future results".
Bypass' 20 hours of "overtime" is a cyclical thing. A few months ago you could, if you wished, get all the "overtime" you wished on the 'bus and the guys on the Boeing got very little. With the introduction of several new long and ultra-long haul operations on the Boeing the situation has changed. Also the 'bus no longer operates DXB/HAM/JFK, Manila is now on the Boeing as are all the LHR, MAN, CDG and DME flights and lets not forget that the 'bus used to operate double-daily direct JFK.
Two things to consider:
1) Most of the new ULR flights require you spend more time in flight than at the layover hotel - a situation that I surmise is physically (from a health standpoint) unsustainable over the medium-to-long term.
2) There are 58 BUFF's waiting in the wings that over the next few years will start to pick-up some of the long and medium haul routes currently operated by the Boeing (JFK, LHR, etc).
IMHO you should plan on the basic salary and treat any productivity pay as an unexpected windfall.
Scaglietti
As most investment advertisements quote in the fineprint "past performance does not guarantee future results".
Bypass' 20 hours of "overtime" is a cyclical thing. A few months ago you could, if you wished, get all the "overtime" you wished on the 'bus and the guys on the Boeing got very little. With the introduction of several new long and ultra-long haul operations on the Boeing the situation has changed. Also the 'bus no longer operates DXB/HAM/JFK, Manila is now on the Boeing as are all the LHR, MAN, CDG and DME flights and lets not forget that the 'bus used to operate double-daily direct JFK.
Two things to consider:
1) Most of the new ULR flights require you spend more time in flight than at the layover hotel - a situation that I surmise is physically (from a health standpoint) unsustainable over the medium-to-long term.
2) There are 58 BUFF's waiting in the wings that over the next few years will start to pick-up some of the long and medium haul routes currently operated by the Boeing (JFK, LHR, etc).
IMHO you should plan on the basic salary and treat any productivity pay as an unexpected windfall.
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Totally agree with scaglietti. While 98 hours sounds nice, it's not a monthly occurance. Not to mention,if you keep flying like that, you will time out and then start sitting. I had a few really high hour months last year (and took all alloted vacation) and have had some months between 50 and 60 hours. It's hit and miss and you shouldn't count on averaging a 90+ hour month, it's unrealistic. When the A380 shows up, it will start taking some of the 777 routes and the talk will shift to the quality of life the 380 guys have with layovers etc. Plan on contract pay as they constantly keep messing with the bidding system.
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Compare apples with apples please!
Well as you can see there are lots of young motivated pilots like bypass ratio joining EK right now. They are willing to work for half price of industry standards ( 98 hours for the price of 60 hours ) and probably pay for their training if they had to. No respect for any industry standards as long as they get the LH seat. That is probably what bypass ratio means... Then they come here and start shouting to everyone how good the job is... after 16 months. What do you think will happen to you. One day you will be in your fifties working 120 hours a month at half of what you are earning today. Why? Because you told every one how good it is here. Let me tell you something. It was much better here before you joined 16 months ago. But for the last couple of years it is going south BIG TIME for professional pilots everywhere. Certain pilots will always come for the job. Just ask yourself if it is really worth it in the long run. If I would have to reconsider today joining EK i would stay home on the wide body job i had. But if you are on an RJ or just want to bypass the ratio of 12 years in the RH seat to get a LH seat in a major airline... then you come here. For sure coming from a regional you may think the deal is better. Well you may have not realized yet that you are now flying in a major airline. The deal is fast becoming below industry standards for a major airline. I'm sure you have acquired good experience in your last 16 months as an F/O at EK and i'm glad for you. But I think it is pretty much a consensus in the EK pilot group that the T&C have deteriorated drastically in the last years... not compare to regional or charters airlines. Lets compare apples with apples please.
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It works both ways, for pilots and the companies.
As has been said, for a certain category of fellow pilots the T&Cs might still be attractive, most certainly the prospect of bigger tools to move. However there is some experience and aquired training involved ...... and even companies like ours are suddenly confronted with what they recruit, it might reflect on more upgrade failures, as described on another thread.......
Don't quote me wrong, nothing against the individual aviator, but I ask again: Where is the lowest acceptable limit? The erosion of the T&Cs at EK led to attracting predominantly lower qualified pilots, and now they reap what has been sowed.
It might seem nice and attractive in the beginning but if the upgrade does not happen when these newbees expected it, they start complaining. However once they eventually passed it (with enough experience and training) they will realise that it is not as easy as it seems to work with nice, young and eager collegues who lack the basics for this kind of operation. And they will complain again .....
Once more: The quality and safety of operation, its smoothness and average requirement of training is to a huge extent dependant of the T&Cs offered for pilots and trainers. Not even the EK stingyness can alter that, it's like a natural law and trying to defy it just cost MORE money. There have been more than ample examples to prove this theory, it's not mine.
As has been said, for a certain category of fellow pilots the T&Cs might still be attractive, most certainly the prospect of bigger tools to move. However there is some experience and aquired training involved ...... and even companies like ours are suddenly confronted with what they recruit, it might reflect on more upgrade failures, as described on another thread.......
Don't quote me wrong, nothing against the individual aviator, but I ask again: Where is the lowest acceptable limit? The erosion of the T&Cs at EK led to attracting predominantly lower qualified pilots, and now they reap what has been sowed.
It might seem nice and attractive in the beginning but if the upgrade does not happen when these newbees expected it, they start complaining. However once they eventually passed it (with enough experience and training) they will realise that it is not as easy as it seems to work with nice, young and eager collegues who lack the basics for this kind of operation. And they will complain again .....
Once more: The quality and safety of operation, its smoothness and average requirement of training is to a huge extent dependant of the T&Cs offered for pilots and trainers. Not even the EK stingyness can alter that, it's like a natural law and trying to defy it just cost MORE money. There have been more than ample examples to prove this theory, it's not mine.
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caution.....
For those who are filling their Excel spreadsheets and hoping to earn big money here :
Crewing actively monitors rosters over here. On several occasions, I have noticed that when crewing sees that one guy will not reach the monthly target (always 75 to 80 hours) and another guy is planned with BIG overtime than they do their magical trick..... In the middle of the month crewing simply takes away a trip from the overtime guy and transfers it to the other guy. Magic....This way both guys stay nicely below the overtime limit. Remember... EK management is more clever than you...
Since I joined >2 years ago I had exactly 1 overtime trip.
At present dhs/euro levels count on 4100 euros.
Guys who claim that an FO can earn on average 5500/month:
Either they spend too much time in the Dubai sun or they did one ULR trip too much last month.
just my 1 Fills of advice.....
Crewing actively monitors rosters over here. On several occasions, I have noticed that when crewing sees that one guy will not reach the monthly target (always 75 to 80 hours) and another guy is planned with BIG overtime than they do their magical trick..... In the middle of the month crewing simply takes away a trip from the overtime guy and transfers it to the other guy. Magic....This way both guys stay nicely below the overtime limit. Remember... EK management is more clever than you...
Since I joined >2 years ago I had exactly 1 overtime trip.
At present dhs/euro levels count on 4100 euros.
Guys who claim that an FO can earn on average 5500/month:
Either they spend too much time in the Dubai sun or they did one ULR trip too much last month. just my 1 Fills of advice.....
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The Boeing vs Bus debate is futile for two reasons:
1. As a new joiner EK tells you what fleet you get on - no choice
2. The flying changes so much it is impossible to say what you will earn
As has been said before, if you have a reasonably stable job, in a place where you enjoy living, then STAY.
That always applied to the ME, but more so than ever these days.
1. As a new joiner EK tells you what fleet you get on - no choice
2. The flying changes so much it is impossible to say what you will earn
As has been said before, if you have a reasonably stable job, in a place where you enjoy living, then STAY.
That always applied to the ME, but more so than ever these days.
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Little longer im the company ....never went in overtime neither looking for it...prefer to live longer.
Average salary now 3800 to 4000 euros...that's it
I know bypass ratio... is the guy volunteering for open time..flying in days off...he is 31...and looks like 55...ohhh..but he is rich...ah ah ha.
330/340 flying a lot more..basically the opposite of what he told you...I don't know why.
Personal suggestion.... DON'T!!!
Average salary now 3800 to 4000 euros...that's it
I know bypass ratio... is the guy volunteering for open time..flying in days off...he is 31...and looks like 55...ohhh..but he is rich...ah ah ha.
330/340 flying a lot more..basically the opposite of what he told you...I don't know why.
Personal suggestion.... DON'T!!!
