Fastrack Requirements @ EK

[Muffetology]

Hi,

Could someone enlighten me as to the Fastrack requirements at EK again?

I'm clear about the fastrack being offered only if there are no existing FO's with 3 yrs service ahead in line.

However, I'm a little hazy about the 55ton jet hourly requirements. Are these hours Command or FO hours? All my hours (7k plus) are RHS, and all above 55tons.

Thanks.

[PositiveRate876]

Command 55t+

[White Knight]

Simple - no command time = no fast track..

[jedy]

I can´t understand. Where can I see the requirement for a fast track command minimums on their web page . I can´t see anything.

[QCM]

Talked the other day with a Pakistanese F/O,been about 10 years on the right seat with PIA,couldn't expect command for the next 10 years!
So,guys,consider that about 3 years to upgrade at EK IS a fast track,isn'it?

[XIVIL4DEP]

FastTrack at EK !!

As far as I can see, they don't publish the FastTrack requirements on the website. But my friends at EK tell me that people have fasttracked to the LHS in 18 months, but no guarantees there !!

[Jolly Foreigner]

Acccelerated Command is only considered in circumstances where there is an unavailability of eligible First Officers. Accelerated Command criteria is:

1. Minimum of 8000hrs total time prior to joining EK,
2. Minimum of 4000hrs hard time (P1 or P2 on jet or turboprop with MTOW of
10,000kg or more),
3. Possession of a valid UAE ATPL,
4. Minimum of 2000hrs commercial transport jet command experience on
aircraft with MTOW greater than 55 tonnes, within 12 months before
joining EK and holding a valid type rating,
5. Successful completion on the first attempt of all EK PPC's,
6. Minimum 18 months service in EK,
7. Minimum 12 months on type (from date of initial line training),
8. Minimum 1000hrs on type in EK,


Hope this helps

[Asianlonghaul]

Jolly Foreigner I understand the same except 1,000 PIC above 55 Tons required for fast track. I guess this may come down to 500 PIC as the supply drys up, which it is doing fast! Or maybe 1,000 jet PIC of a lesser weight.

[jedy]

8000 hours total
4000 hours jet above 55 Tons
2000 hours PIC above 55 Tons

I think those are the requirements for a direct entry command (as per web page)

So I guess nobody knows the criteria for a fast track upgrade.

[av8r76]

4. Minimum of 2000hrs commercial transport jet command experience on
aircraft with MTOW greater than 55 tonnes, within 12 months before
joining EK and holding a valid type rating,

Someone care to elaborate on this point. 2000hrs in preceding 12 months looks a little steep if not downright illegal.

[AA717driver]

Re: "2000 hours in preceding year" They're just looking for hard workers...

Looks like 3+ years if I try to make the move. TC

[Jolly Foreigner]

Guys, from my previous post with the requirements. These are what are stated in the EK Ops Manual under 'minimum experience for accelerated command.'

For direct entry command the requirements are:
1. Minimum 10,000hrs total prior to joining EK,
2. Minimum 4,000hrs hard time,
3. Minimum 3,000hrs command time, on type or commercial aircraft with
MTOW greater than 55 tonnes, within 12 months before joining EK and
hold a valid type rating,
4. Preference will be given to type rated and instructors.

Hope this clears up any misunderstandings between the requirements for the different positions.

[useless]

from http://www.emiratesgroupcareers.com/ :

Requirements for Position of Direct Entry Captain

• A minimum of 8,000 hours total flying time
• A minimum of 3,000 hours in command of multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft in excess of 55 tonnes MTOW
• 4,000 hours flown in multi-crew, multi-engine jet or turbo prop aircraft with MTOW of 10 tonnes or more, as P1 or P2
• Preference will be given to candidates with Boeing EFIS experience who will be eligible to undertake a short transition course
• Must be a current Captain
• First Officers, qualified as Cruise Captains, do not meet the Direct Entry Captain requirements
• ICAO ATPL
• English language fluency (written and verbal comprehension)

[boeingbusbenn]

1000 hrs in type with EK?

I'm working in the US right now, but we're making backup plans in case things take a (further) downturn here. What would probably happen to me if I was hired at EK with the following:
11,000hrs total
1200 PIC/2000SIC A318/319/320 (all 55+ tonnes)
260PIC MD-80 (all 55+ tonnes)
2000 PIC/3000SIC B737-200/300 (the PIC is all in 737-200 53.3tonnes)
The only international is U.S. to Canada and Mexico.

I've heard that for DEC, you actually start as SIC and then the upgrade is contingent upon performance. If so, what is the pay until you upgrade?

Any recommendations for attending the EK SFO "roadshow"?

[AA717driver]

Boeingbus--I was told that anything DC-9-30 sized and above (108,000 lbs. MTOW) counts. TC

[Tears for Fears]

maybe my question is useless nowadays but I hope that no more accelerated command are on process in Ek.
I will join Ek soon but have been told that time to command is 4/5 years considering that some DEC are joining every year.
So my question is: DEC + ACCELERATED COMMAND = HOW MANY YEARS FOR A NEW POOR F/O ?

[5star]

Anywhere between 3 and 5 years. Serious!
Come with NO expectations because you will get screwed on the way. Even the guys in Recruitment don't know what the policy is with regards to DECs. Serious!
So be prepared to bend over.
Thats the way it is...

[a345xxx]

If I were to join UAL or NW or BA or USAirways or Qantas I would have to get in line and wait my turn regardless if I had 1000hrs on a Piper Warrior or 25000hrs PIC on the Concorde so why can't you guys come over here and wait in line?

[mensaboy]

Of course guys are interested in coming to EK and jumping the queue. It is not THEIR fault that some idiotic policies are in place.


According to EK's own policy;
1st-Suitable F/O's (an abundance of whom exist)
2nd-Suitable 'accelerated command' types.
3rd-DEC's.

The fact that EK does not follow its own policy should be a clear indication that it is a risk. The best advice I have heard is to expect the worst and be happy if it turns out better.

I do not understand the subterfuge of this company when it comes to upgrades. I think most pilots would be happy to envision a 3-4 year upgrade. The DEC policy is purportedly 'a cost saver', but I contest that assertion.

Consider the recruiting issues because many decent F/O's get scared off by the confusion and inconsistencies of the policy; consider the past resignations caused by the policy; consider the morale issues; consider the higher costs associated with a DEC; and then counter all of that with the initial savings in training. Unfortunately, the only cost that can be put down on paper is the training cost, so therefore the company believes they are saving money. Clearly hiring a DEC costs less INITIALLY. It is one training course vs two, as opposed to following a normal career progression. Accelerated commands on the other hand do not save in training costs.

Just consider the confusion surrounding this accelerated command thread. The company purposely encourages this confusion because they want to be left with the option to do whatever they wish if they think it can save them some money.

EK is a good company in general. I truly believe it is one of the best in the world, all things considered. The manner in which the DEC and accelerated command policies are conducted is one huge negative about EK though.
If 'time to command' is your overriding concern, then be very clear... there are no guarantees. 4 years to command would seem to me to be a reasonable expectation for the foreseeable future.

[myradios]

Are DECs a significant hinderance to command upgrades? How many are being employed?