QR facts for the upgrades

[9.G]

Always!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take command and then the world is yours.
Don't take any chances with QR you will regret it.

[GixxerK5]

Flircat

I was lucky in that respect that I got a command at age 28. I am now almost 50. I was in a similar situation were I could go as F/O on a bigger a/c or Cpt 737. I took the latter. I had friends that went for the F/O position on the BIG A/C. They were /F/O for 10 years longer then me. The situation may not turn out to be the same for you, but if you have 1000-1500 hrs in command on the A320 you are in a good situation to bid for cpt positions on A330 in many companys.

Good luck with your decision

[Smirnoff N21]

Flircat you don't sound like someone endowed with reason or ready for your promotion, I'm afraid. Perhaps it'd be the best for you to take f/o position for a little longer as any CPT wannabe worth one's salt would rule out that question. Money won't run away from you. For what it's worth, you wouldn't believe how many guys presently seating on stby ready to go for their command for half of what they get here.

No offence man.

Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!

[Flircat]

Smirnoff and SNAM

Thank you both for the replies, quite useful. And yeah I have to agree with SNAM that Smirnoff is generalizing a bit too much since the conditions of the company I fly for are not know to him, but then again I didn't explain that originally.

Anyways I feel ready for the UPG, no doubt about that, and the company wouldn't have offered me it had that not been the case. The company is top notch in terms of qulity of aircraft and trainning. Safety is also a big part of the equation, and the people are nice, mostly. The only thing that has people thinking abouth leaving for a better future is the salary. To put this into perpective, a QR F.O. makes 2.5 times more than a Capt. here. Off course costs of living aren't as high here but we pay taxes. In short, savings would be bigger in QR.

That is waht has me thinking...

[loc22550]

Flircat...donīt forget to keep an eye on the inflation here..(14% for last year)...So who known for the long term what you (we) will be able to save here....expecially if you have family and kids...

[Smirnoff N21]

but I am not comparing BA to QR... of course not!

I hope you don't, cause it's like Bentley versus Land Cruiser both good and reliable but the first one is a class of it's own. Speaking of which funny enough to see lots of Limo Bentleys around driven either by the owner himself or a cheapest driver you can find. Doesn't really look aristocratic at all.
One can see a blue blood without money and a motley horde packed with cash not only in Qatar but sometimes in UK too.
Anyway Flircat my advise don't change the horses in the midstream.

Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!

[togaluck]

Command Anybody???

Gentlemen, if you are reading this post, most likely than not, you are one of the many many QR F/O's who are extremely disapointed with the upgrade situation, if what you really want is rapid command, QR is not for you to the best of my humble opinion, at least not for another 3 years, it's true they have sent letters, but ask the recipients how long they've been in doha. most of them 4-5 years, and during those years there wasn't a shortage of copilots like now; I'm sure many of you know (and if you don't you will now) of the great opportunity going on right now at air asia, you can apply for a CAPTAIN position, if you meet the following requirements:

With Command Experience
- Total 4000 hours of which 1500 hours (P1) on MPJ equipped with EFIS/FMS or 2500 hours (P1) on MPJ/MPA.

BUT most important!!
you can apply to that captain position WITHOUT COMMAND EXPERIENCE
( a first in the industry to the best of my knowldge!! )

Without Command Experience
- Total 5000 hours of which 2000 hours on MPJ equipped with EFIS/FMS and 1000 hours on type A320 Family/A330/A340 or Total of 5000 hours of which 2500 hours on wide body aircraft equipped with EFIS/FMS.

at first I thought it was a rumour, but it is actually posted on airasia's website

http://www.airasia.com/site/en/page....ence=jobspilot

i have heard, now this one is a rumour, pay is about $5,500 per month and about to be rivised to $7,500 so, i know as a QR F/O you make more, have may or may not have better benefits housing allowance, etc, but what really counts is PIC (P1) time. I leave the rest to you.

[hairy plotter]

wow nice move I have to admit. That's really good old fashioned way of getting the guys. I'm sure you'll be flooded with applications it's also clear where AJ is going next. Cheap attempts to contain the exodus from QR.
Hope it's true for the guys cause they do deserve it.
Do grab it with both hands if you get a chance guys. This guys know how to deal with people. Godspeed, QR won't learn anything anyway.

[loc22550]

Poor SFO 330 who are doing their upgrade on 320,now they gone have a pay cut as well( as in Q.A a SFO 330 usually make more money than a CPT320 for the same duty time...!!!), add on top of that inflation, devaluation of the Riyal....

[Smirnoff N21]

Loc I'm not entirely convinced about F/O 330 making more than Cpt 320 but again nothing is impossible. Methinks, it's of no importance whatsoever, which aircraft will the one get the upgrade on. A320 renders you to be more often confronted with operational decision making necessity so much needed at the initial stage. In fact that's recommended procedure from Airbus. That'd be appropriate if the airline would only hire on the right, NO DEC.
Practically seen, from FO or SFO point of view, he only relevant question is HOW LONG? The answer is not less than 4 years if at all. If 330 isn't an option even longer. Conclusion anywhere at any point anyone gets a chance to move straight to the left, kiss QR good by. People would maybe prepared to wait provided their welfare is taken care of and their families are happy. It's just competition.

Latest rumour aired is about a pay rise apparently approved by the government, wouldn't hold my breath for it. As with 330 upgrades let's wait and see.

Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!

[Firsteagle]

direct entry capt 320 for experience FO

Storm aviation also is doing it, not only airasia !!!

[Hajj Man]

Flircat,

Stay at your company and get your left seat on the A-320. You will fly there for maximum of 2 more years and build good time in the left seat then you can have your choice of where to go in the world.

while learning more from the Captains I would fly with. A great experience all and all.

Take these next two years in command and learn how to be a good captain. Also in the next two years, which will go very quickly, look around the world at places to live, lifestyle of expats, money and benefits, and then make a move in two years. If you jump now with only a few write ups here on pprune from people with stories of, I did this 15 years ago and my friend did this 5 years ago, you will kick yourself in the tail when you get somewhere and realize it was not the right move.

You will make both good and bad decisions in life but I think you should stay and build your command time and then move around the world in the left seat.

HM

[9.G]

to be put back into a picture. Yet another management team is on it's way.
What's that going to mean for us- god knows? Surely new policies e.g. airbus SOP, not to be excluded they might alter upgrade or transfer rules-who knows? Keep your eyes wide open guys. Don't think a deterioration is on the way-who knows? As we can see no one objects the allegation of continuously recruitment of DEC. DOES IT MAKE YOU THNIK? IT SHOULD!

[togaluck]

Take command

Take command as soon as you can.... it's my advise... even you get a paycut, you wont regret it. know that times are changing and there is a golden age for aviation on the rise, specially for pilots, china hasn't even begun to open the way they are planning to, mark my words "you will interview the airlines in the future for YOUR job" there are no pilots with experience in the world today, and there wont be any in the next couple of years... they are bleeding for us. I'm sure whatever you do, assuming you are half way decent, will get command in the next 5 years but if you can do it now? why not? remember its all about seniority. my 2 cents.

[togaluck]

btw, in my opinion no amount of management changes in QR will be able to change anything if the "big man" is still running thigs like he's running them, QR will start to hire billions of second officers and change the rules for them to fly as regular F/O's with regular captns which is good if you are a S/O, think about it... cheap labor, if you had low hours and any airline would offer you that , you would take it, so F/O situation solved. and in the mean time they will still hire DEC. to make up for the lack of experience in the S/O's .. upgrade QR 6 years! no way

[goldstar]

command upgrades

good news a lot of upgrading to be done this year. this is a fact. take this info from someone who knows. 4 a month is the plan starting soon.

hit the books

[goatliner]

Hey,

that's great news. That means 4 a month and the next interview group will only have to wait 18 months till they start their training.
That will solve the problem and get the cart out of the **** momentarily.

Best regards

G.L.

[Smirnoff N21]

4 per month=48 a year is better than before. Let's wait and see. So far very gradual and slow process. Some changes in the OPS might turn the afterburner on. Keep the finger crossed it's not gonna be tailpipe fire.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!

[Qatari515]

The whole upgrade issue has been discussed during last week's selection meeting.

Interviews should be sheduled for April with those guys starting training somewhere in June.

How many trainings a month, which fleets to go to etc remain a big question mark!

Basically what happend was that management panicked when they saw the rise in resignations, they knew something needed to be done quickly but nobody really has a solid long term solution...

Only time will tell....


The whole ops part is a big mess, and how they will cope with this years airplane deliveries nobody really knows.

[Smirnoff N21]

They have to hurry up as interviews are scheduled. Last thing QR NEEDS ARE RESIGNATIONS EFFECTIVE IN JULY.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!