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Why Gf Is Sinking

Old 21st Dec 2007, 04:50
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Why Gf Is Sinking

YOU CAN COME UP WITH MILLIONS OF REASONS BUT HERE WE GO
- POLITICS
- WRONG PEOPLE IN WRONG SEATS ( not cockpit seat )
- CORRUPTION
- WRONG ROUTES
- MASSIVE PAYOUTS FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS
- STAFF TRAVEL
- MORALS DOWN
- WHOM YOU KNOW GETTING AWAY WITH IT
- ORGANIZATION WITHIN ORGANIZATION
- CREW REPORTING EACH OTHER
- OFFICE PEOPLE IN A LONG BRAKES AT COSTA
- TO BE CONTINUED …………
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 05:11
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Interesting set of problems, but not so sure they are specific to Gulf Air; I would hazard a guess that they almost certainly apply in most of the airlines in this region currently.

Politics: Ubiquitous in any company in any industry these days.

Wrong People: Probably GF has more than its fair share of this. The problem has a history and the labour law does not help.

Corruption: Prove it. If you can, use EthicsPoint but be prepared to substantiate your claims.

Payouts: VRS? Nothing wrong with the VRS other than a boat load of people who applied were not let go which is a shame - the company still maintains far more than its fair share of dead wood.

Staff Travel: As all but one route are eligible for electronic tickets, 99% of staff travel should be done on-line so use it and don't expose yourself to the pain of a visit.

Morale: Crawl out of it! Making the effort to be positive can have a long reach.

Getting away with it: Use EthicsPoint but be prepared to substantiate your claims.

Organisation: Agreed too fluid still; 8 months into the latest game and still departments cannot get their organisation set.

Reports: If they are genuine, what's the (your) problem?

Costa: I bet the revenues are nowhere near what they were a year or more ago. I bet they are 50% of the JH era.
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 06:35
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ICARUS

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ELABORATIONS
WHEN IT COMES TO PROVING GF IS SINKING NO NEED FOR ANYBODY TO PROVE IT
- WHY GF IS LOOSING XXXX$$$ AMOUNT DAILY.
- WHY OTHER AIRLINES ORDERING A380 AND GF IS HIRING 737
- WHY OTHERS HAVE CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR DAILY WORLD CRISES AND FOR GF EVERYTHING IS FINE
- ARE THEY LOOKING A HEAD OR EVEN HAVE FUTURISTIC PLANS FOR ALL OF THESE LOW COST AIRLINES ( is any plan to combat this)
- OTHER AIRLINES ARE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES FOR JET FUEL WHAT GF IS DOING OR AGAIN PLAN FOR BLANK
- WHY SO MANY DELAYS FOR BOTH CREW AND PAX ( a/c conditions )
- ON TIME PERFORMANCE NOT IMPROVING
- I COULD KEEP ON TILL I RAN OUT OF THREAD SPACE
- SO HERE YOU GO THE STORY EXPLAINS IT SELF NO NEED TO PROVE IT
- NO AND I WOULDN’T LIKE TO GO AND PROVE IT TO ANYBODY ONE LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND ALL IS THERE
- GF IS ASKING STAFF TO REPORT EACH OTHER WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF YOUR KIDS AT HOME START TO REPORT EACH OTHER FOR TIT FOR A TAT
- YOUR ANSWER FOR MORAL DOWN IS GOOD AND BELIEVE ME WE ARE ALL OVER IT AND THIS IS THE ATTITUDE YOU SHOULD TAKE TO COMBAT NEGATIVITY AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING
- IN SUMMARY ALL AIRLINES HAVE PROBLEMS AND THERE IS NO PERFECT WORLD BUT THE BEST LEADERS MAKE THE BEST OUT OF IT. ( which gf is lacking )
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 07:27
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Unsubstantiated statements are hardly worth the pixels they are written in. If you are not prepared to prove anything and expect everyone to just agree then you need to take a seat at the back.

(1) Because expenses exceed revenues.
GF has amateurs in Sales, Pricing and Revenue Management.
(2) 380? Lets put egos to one side. Just what route justifies such an aircraft for any M.E. carrier.
(3) Contingencies. The only crisis affecting GF on a daily basis is probably the price of oil/fuel. Hedging is an option if you have the right skills in the right area. In GF probably not.
(4) Strategy. Got it in one there. No leadership, no communication, no vision. GF needs a CEO.
(5) Alternative to Jet Fuel - let's see a commercially viable aircraft that runs on something other than JET-A1 first shall we?
(6) Delays. Sh1t happens and to everybody - just that GF do not have much to juggle to reduce the impact. See the B767's that are not on the Bahraini register are to be grounded from 31-Dec until they are. Can't see that helping much either. It is how you manage the sh1t that you are rated on.
(7) OTP is not that bad. It would be considerably better if the aircraft were in a condition to do so; this is probably a legacy of JH (no spares, no money) but one would have thought it should have been resolved by now.

Now, if you never report (on) anything how on earth do you know what is going right and what is going wrong so that you can improve. It is not about 'tit for tat' (at least one hopes not) it is about being responsible.

Yes GF needs a leader and one with integrity. One that can work with the Board.

GF also needs a Board who are prepared to keep their distance and allow a CEO to operate.

Will that happen? Your guess is a good as mine.
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 08:19
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Well said, Icarus.
You sure have a balanced head on your shoulders. And lots of patience to answer a Johnny-come-lately who can neither think, nor spell.
You did forget to mention that relief from GF's miseries is only a piece of paper and 3 months to bear! Could have been worse!
BTW, it does surprise me that people have problems with the low morals of others - me thinks they are fun, especially on night halts with the floozies!!!!
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 09:12
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Exclamation

We can say GF will stay flying regardless of the current situation which is not difficult for GF to pass it if we look to the past we can say its not new thing for GF to copy with!

All the best for Gulf Air.
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 11:07
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Morals have always been down in GF
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 11:50
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why gulf air is sinking

unqualified, incapable people leading the dis-spirited people, particularly the man at the helm is the primary reason for Gulf Air's state. Which other Airline in the world will keep BN at the helm?
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 12:54
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I wouldn't let the "negative few" be representative of things at GF...most I am in contact with from day to day are happy with the package, and the work environment in general at GF. The biggest disappointment I think was the expectation of a new fleet announcement that didnt happen. The men and ladies in the cabin keep on doing their super job in spite of somewhat difficult, and embarrassing conditions, due the state of aircraft furnishings..(man I wish I owned a duct tape factory)..so along we go slowly,but surely, most importantly SAFELY..and look ahead..
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 15:18
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Whatever anyone say.
BN is not a person capable to get GF out of the probs.
He is only good to say yes for the bored.
He has no experience in managing a World class airline.
The ship will sink with him in command.
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 15:53
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He has no experience in managing a World class airline
Bus787
Which airline would that be then? Surely you are not talking about the one I think you are...are you?

If so amigo, then the 'dreamliner' would be a more appropriate handle.

Ciao
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 18:31
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WRONG ROUTES
Pray tell, what are the routes that GF should fly too then? Explain which ones are the wrong ones now ELLONNAGUN and why? If you are so knowledgeable, maybe you should have been heading the network department
Unsubstantiated statements are hardly worth the pixels they are written in.
I find myself agreeing a lot with Icarus these days. I should schedule a checkup soon.
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 19:38
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Does any one of you have any idea how to run an airline? You might be good at what you are doing, but no one has the write to judge the others. If you are really caring about the airline why don’t you be more constructive and come up with some workable ideas.. Does every one of you have and idea.. One new idea.. This will make this airline much more healthier.
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 20:36
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hey airfort,
your country, your bloody airline, your problems. we just sit on the sideline and watch your patriotic people cock it up and blame it all on bn.
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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 04:39
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personally, i would go the way of ek (as much as bahrain can afford).

provide first the way (routes), and passengers will come out of the woodwork after some clever marketing.

a good marketing point would be the better transitting process (of course we'll have to work on that) without having to endure the giant that is dubai international airport.

advertising that bigger is not always better will be part of that slogan. smaller sometimes means more personal attention, no running great distances from one side of the airport to the other, not getting left behind etc etc etc. market that point for all it is worth. in every case, making subtle inferences that dubai international airport has a lot of undesirable points that the astute traveller knows too well.
i'm sure this will appeal to at least a good portion of the travellig public.

and of course, new planes sooner than later.
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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 06:53
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Did you have enough sleep?
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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 07:07
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Sadly if you look at our passengers, we deal a lot with low income people (paying very low fare) coming from europe (flying for cheap vacation in Thai / Nepal etc.) or asia (workers coming or going to the gulf), we lost the battle for the premium passengers a long time ago due to our aging fleet, old cabin (how is it still possible that our GF A340 have the old ugly first class seats when we have our Singaporian's A340 with skybed: how many times did I hear premium passengers complaining about being sold a skybed and getting a very old seat? hundreds of times...), poor on time performance etc.

And this business being a low margin business, it is really with this premium passengers that airlines make money... Look at our competitors : Qatar has an amazing cabin, Emirates is a real global airlines with a great service.

I think we also have a strategic problem, remember : 'Gulf Air : the biggest network in the middle east' , yeah sure so it means our main market is intra gulf and flying to the neighbouring countries, but the problem is now we are facing a fierce competition on this segment because of all these new low costs : Air Arabia, soon Bahrain Air , Jazeera Airways... Look what's happenning in Europe: if you look at all the major carrier BA, AF, LH, they all loose (or barely breakeven) on their short-medium haul network and they really make their money on the long haul... GF and the Middle East situation is not different. And if GF don't plan soon to refocus on the long haul market they will loose.... Because GF structures are nothing but light, we have way too many employees for the size of our airline... And as a consequence our cost structure is everything but LOW !

I don't know where is Bahrain Air heading? I didn't see any airplanes but they are already selling ticket at the seef mall, but imagine one second that Bahrain Air get 10 A320s over the next 3-4 years : guess what GF will bleed money, I am telling you it is very sad. According to IATA the middle east has seen the biggest increase in passenger numbers worldwide this year and guess what GF is still bleeding money... it tells you one thing : when the time become more difficult GF will die or only survive with massive cash injection...

How can they dream to privatize such a big liability ?

BD

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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 09:29
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Bingo Mr. Boingdriver

HERE IS SOMEBODY WHO READS BETWEEN THE LINES WELL EXPLAINED
YA AND FOR THE ONE WHO SUGGESTED BACKSEAT I WILL TAKE THE BACKSEAT ,ITS THE LEAST RISK AREA WHEN THE AIRSHIP GOING NOSE DOWN THANKS FOR THE ADVICE.
GF WITH AN ADD MY COUN...MY AIR...SOON WILL BE MY WORLD MY AIRLINE WHERE GF WILL BE THE SOLE AIRLINE AROUND THE GLOBE WHILE THE OTHERS WILL BE TRAVELLING TO MOON AND BACK. FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON
P-POWER P.M AGAINST KING
O-OVER POWER THE CLASH OF THE ROYALS(family how to split the cake)
L-LEVEL OF AUTHORITY (p.m son and the crown prince I.E BAH AIR/GF)
I-INSANITY ( love of power)
T-THIEVES( says it all)
c-CORRUPTED SHEIKS
S-SON (the next p.m of bahrain)
figure it out.
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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 10:19
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hi brassplate,,

I am really sure that there are some locals who could have ruled in a much better way than what have been done until today.

It is so obvious that all the foreigners in charge know that they are here for short term. Their only goal is to take max cash out of this country in min time. This is why there is no long term planning in this company....It is true what you are here for is to sit on the sideline and watch the locals do the job and you do nothing. Just grab what you came for, don't spend your BD in fancy stuffs and run away just like AD , LS and the other ediots did
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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 14:10
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I tend to disagree, airfort.

Maybe some of the expat managers are like that...but some local suits could well be feeding from the very same honeytrap, they would just have a lifetime to do so.

That being said, remember that many of the top brass expats are also in a career of their own, one, where you are never better than your last result.

What would their longterm goal be by screwing Gulf Air???

What scares me, is that all the topnotch leaders on the market, all tend to take a big step around Gulf Air. Why is this then? Could it be, because Gulf Air is rumoured to be the sick old man of Middle Eastern aviation? Is it because, it is rumoured to be impossible to ever get free hands to lead the company, when everybody in the board want their piece of (undeserved) fame and influence?

You tell me, because I really do not know...
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