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for once I have to agree with PITA man...ETIHAD is becoming an increasingly temptative alternative!
While the current management is hiding behind closed doors, waiting untill the new team takes over in 2008, the frustration is growing among everybody!
Lately I havent done 1 single flight, without somebody complaining!
LM...well well....he was caught pants down, flirting with the people from thales while cashing in on his bonus! This and other fraudulent activities are being held against him. Appaerently his family was planning to take over the company, all of them are under investigation now!
Will be replaced by a brit apparently...guy with no longhaul experience but affiiliated to the UK CAA. The Nigels are coming!
AJ...resigned and allegedly out of the office in 2008! Questions remains...who will replace him.?
senior guys and 777....well, CEO wanted only people with widebody experience to go on the 777. Both Ticma and vasgo have no widebody experience, except for the respectable size of their bellies! Is this a correct reason...I dont think so! Can we do anything about it....NOPE!
Massive it will be indeed.....Effective waits to be seen....long lasting for sure not, as the average lifespan of a management guy here is about 12 months! ( except the boss and SSS)
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
While the current management is hiding behind closed doors, waiting untill the new team takes over in 2008, the frustration is growing among everybody!
Lately I havent done 1 single flight, without somebody complaining!
LM...well well....he was caught pants down, flirting with the people from thales while cashing in on his bonus! This and other fraudulent activities are being held against him. Appaerently his family was planning to take over the company, all of them are under investigation now!
Will be replaced by a brit apparently...guy with no longhaul experience but affiiliated to the UK CAA. The Nigels are coming!
AJ...resigned and allegedly out of the office in 2008! Questions remains...who will replace him.?
senior guys and 777....well, CEO wanted only people with widebody experience to go on the 777. Both Ticma and vasgo have no widebody experience, except for the respectable size of their bellies! Is this a correct reason...I dont think so! Can we do anything about it....NOPE!
Massive it will be indeed.....Effective waits to be seen....long lasting for sure not, as the average lifespan of a management guy here is about 12 months! ( except the boss and SSS)
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
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Indeed, all of this is very concerning news. The whole pack of cards seems close to falling-in, unless some drastic measures are taken.
All the woes are now spreading like wildfire outwith the airline itself, and the last thing anyone on the upper floors wants is for the SLF (via media conduits) to start to know just what is going on within the "Military junta-esque" managed Qatar Airways. This is something like a step back into the dark ages.
All these stories of prison-cell like living for the cabin crew, coupled with a "take it or leave it" attitude that the management has with its pilots, does NOT make for safe and happy flying. The only thing that seems to be missing from the scene are stocks and handcuffs.
As humans, we all have limits of toleration. As a customer, we like to have the warm, fuzzy feeling that the Commander of the aircraft is well paid, well rested, highly motivated and thoroughly enjoys what he does. Most of all, we like to feel that he will be able to command his aircraft skillfully in the event of an emergency. Same goes for the Cabin Crew.
Reading half the stuff on these boards about how badly QR commanders and co-pilots are treated, and how the cabin crew (who are adults, after all) are made to live under conditions that can only be described as draconian, makes one wonder what all of this must be doing to your mental health and physical well-being. (I say this out of concern and empathy, and not criticism or nastiness).
And all because of one man's insatiable greed and imbalanced ego................
Good luck to y'all.
All the woes are now spreading like wildfire outwith the airline itself, and the last thing anyone on the upper floors wants is for the SLF (via media conduits) to start to know just what is going on within the "Military junta-esque" managed Qatar Airways. This is something like a step back into the dark ages.
All these stories of prison-cell like living for the cabin crew, coupled with a "take it or leave it" attitude that the management has with its pilots, does NOT make for safe and happy flying. The only thing that seems to be missing from the scene are stocks and handcuffs.
As humans, we all have limits of toleration. As a customer, we like to have the warm, fuzzy feeling that the Commander of the aircraft is well paid, well rested, highly motivated and thoroughly enjoys what he does. Most of all, we like to feel that he will be able to command his aircraft skillfully in the event of an emergency. Same goes for the Cabin Crew.
Reading half the stuff on these boards about how badly QR commanders and co-pilots are treated, and how the cabin crew (who are adults, after all) are made to live under conditions that can only be described as draconian, makes one wonder what all of this must be doing to your mental health and physical well-being. (I say this out of concern and empathy, and not criticism or nastiness).
And all because of one man's insatiable greed and imbalanced ego................
Good luck to y'all.
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-Pilots well paid....? Not anymore(inflation, crash of the qatari riyal/U$...).
-Pilots well rest....? Not always!(due to the unsafe roster, 3 or 4 night flighs in a row with minimum rest, is something common here, roster gang are still thinking that people are like a machin that can be switch on or off on demand...!!),Have to admit that i operated some flights very tired,including my colleague who was in the same kind of shift....Good..as long everything is ok....but should any emergency or abnormal circonstance occur during the flight, i honestly have some doubt about the safe issue of the flight with such a high level of fatigue!
But i guess our roster team is not really able to think further than legality..!
-Pilots well rest....? Not always!(due to the unsafe roster, 3 or 4 night flighs in a row with minimum rest, is something common here, roster gang are still thinking that people are like a machin that can be switch on or off on demand...!!),Have to admit that i operated some flights very tired,including my colleague who was in the same kind of shift....Good..as long everything is ok....but should any emergency or abnormal circonstance occur during the flight, i honestly have some doubt about the safe issue of the flight with such a high level of fatigue!
But i guess our roster team is not really able to think further than legality..!
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A very good post. As with any developing country or company that grows larger and increases its profile internationally it conversely has to contend with increased scrutiny from the outside world.
Al Baker is giving Qatar and the Qatari's a bad name everywhere.
The only way forward for this airline is without him. I can only pray the powers that be will make that decision ASAP. Its been too long coming.
A very good post. As with any developing country or company that grows larger and increases its profile internationally it conversely has to contend with increased scrutiny from the outside world.
Al Baker is giving Qatar and the Qatari's a bad name everywhere.
The only way forward for this airline is without him. I can only pray the powers that be will make that decision ASAP. Its been too long coming.
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Well said indeed!
Only one solution......We all know what it is....But will it ever happen?
All things said here are 100% true, but they are only the tip of the iceberg!
Most of the things going on around here are not suitable at all for a public forum, as it would scare the hell out of non-professional readers.
And our beloved 9th floor management allready has a legal action running against this site and certain of its users...
FREEDOM IS NOTHING ELSE BUT HAVING NOTHING LEFT TO LOOSE!
Only one solution......We all know what it is....But will it ever happen?
All things said here are 100% true, but they are only the tip of the iceberg!
Most of the things going on around here are not suitable at all for a public forum, as it would scare the hell out of non-professional readers.
And our beloved 9th floor management allready has a legal action running against this site and certain of its users...
FREEDOM IS NOTHING ELSE BUT HAVING NOTHING LEFT TO LOOSE!
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Only plausable solution to the Hairy Goat Problem is maintenance of painful pressure. Do not relent. Never tell lies, but continue to Load The Dice..... Chance and endemic incompetence will do the rest.
What do ya mean?
Very naive, if you believe all posts about the circus are just emotional rants. Load it up....
What do ya mean?
Very naive, if you believe all posts about the circus are just emotional rants. Load it up....
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We do not maintain that all they do is wrong, but we do insist that what they are doing can be an occasion of many future evils. hopefully the CEO enjoys 5 star service often enough to realize that a silver cutlery isn't enough to conduct a safe flight.... needless to comment
ake the grade. Have the balls and resign .
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Its sad that almost all experianced cabin crew have resigened in last 30 days and leaving QR to Etihad becouse of stupid memo restrictions on going out of accomodation during off or on duty days . Yes we will be 5 star super stars but with inexperianced girls getting 2y experiance and going to Emirates or Etihad. It is known that we are getting pilots which fail in Emirates and Etihad and QR is bottom of line option but its there.
All this becouse of one man AAB .
For AAB its more important to have jacket buttoned than to have safe landing . Good Mr AAB see you have many HARD LANDINGS ha ha ha !
Pilots can cost a lot if thay get angre at you ! You give us warning letters and we will make you pay !
All this becouse of one man AAB .
For AAB its more important to have jacket buttoned than to have safe landing . Good Mr AAB see you have many HARD LANDINGS ha ha ha !
Pilots can cost a lot if thay get angre at you ! You give us warning letters and we will make you pay !
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So, 14 Captains resigned from the A330/A340 fleet in the last month
A330 is running about 45 F/Os short of normal ops at the moment
Almost ALL senior F/Os are in the process of taking big decisions due to the fact that upgrades are suspended UFN
On A320 a lot of guys are eying EY because no more fleet transfers from A320 to A330 and EY would give them mixed fleet flying!
Whoever is left on the A300 is pissed of because some guys where allowed to go on 777, and this decision has been made based on personal preferences of their chief pilots rather than being based on seniority! The guys left behind have no more option left whatsoever...
On A340 the dream might be over soon. If the B777 takes over the IAD route there wont be no more roster flexibility left to give them 8 days OFF in a row and they will be back to 60hr roster patterns doing BKK and LHR.
Massive exodus is happening at the cabin crew side of things ever since that new megalomaniacal rule has been announced regarding the curfews! So all normal people are indeed leaving, again lots to EY, where a normal life awaits them!
In flight Ops in general all the so called "managers " are on some sort of strange leave, as everybody is waiting for this new management and the OLD guys do not want to take any decisions anymore. Nothing is being done at the moment....
When are these people EVER going to learn how to run an airline? When will somebody realise that one man can not manage 7000 emplyees on his own? When will this one man realise that he is being lied to on a daily base due to the fact that he rules by fear, and so all bad news is shielded from him?
This company is digging itself in deeper and deeper, while the neighbours such as EK, EY and even GF are taking massive jumps foreward!
Its just a disaster waiting to happen, and only very few people are responsible for this!
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If they(amateur roster gang) continue with those kind of unsafe roster(accumulation of night flight with minimum rest....)..yes for sure a disaster will happen one day, when i see the level of fatigue of some crew(including myself..).
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guys, it is easy to blame the crewing dept but remember we only have a certain amount of flight deck to roster and believe me we dont have enough (even though the consultants say there is too many). But yes there is some problems in rostering dept but they are trying.
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the problem of joining qr as FO ,is that the Airline will not take into consideration your previous jet experience for upgrade ;if you accept a ground instructor job ,you have 3 months per year less to do in your seniority ;but if you got 8000 hours including thousands of jet time ,doesnot matter ,this is why many experienced fo is considering to leave the airline ;experienced fo will be upgrade in 6 months joining a low cost airline ,fast track do not exist here for experienced fo;new joiner will take a minimum of 6 years ,ok if you got 3OOO hours ,not 8000 !
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I don't know what the fuss is all about.
QA is a wonderful airline. You are paid well, conditions of service are compatible, and you are flying the youngest fleet in the MidEast.
What I really object to, is some racist remarks in this forum which implies "If you are not a native English speaker, you can not and should not fly an aeroplane, or your standard is low". My reply is: Get the F@&K back down under where you belong, and don't ever think that you are a good aviator.
You are good if you can get a good job in your own country, and since you are working here......
Try applying to other airlines, I can guarantee you would be sacked within six months.
Don't nag, just do your jobs and shut up or L E A V E....
God Bless you all.
QA is a wonderful airline. You are paid well, conditions of service are compatible, and you are flying the youngest fleet in the MidEast.
What I really object to, is some racist remarks in this forum which implies "If you are not a native English speaker, you can not and should not fly an aeroplane, or your standard is low". My reply is: Get the F@&K back down under where you belong, and don't ever think that you are a good aviator.
You are good if you can get a good job in your own country, and since you are working here......
Try applying to other airlines, I can guarantee you would be sacked within six months.
Don't nag, just do your jobs and shut up or L E A V E....
God Bless you all.
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If Q.A. is such a wonderfull airline as you pretend..., can't really understand the huge number of resignation we have every year here..anyway..
'well paid.....'....well maybe..but the only problem: my salary has been devaluated by 40% the last years by the sink of the Qatari riyal...just 40%..,Did you noticed the inflation in Doha as well,the highest in the gulf,almost 13%...!!
'well paid.....'....well maybe..but the only problem: my salary has been devaluated by 40% the last years by the sink of the Qatari riyal...just 40%..,Did you noticed the inflation in Doha as well,the highest in the gulf,almost 13%...!!
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