GF commercial directoress resigns
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From: bags r packd, i'm redy 2 go
Another one bites the dust!! another one bites the dust, another goes, another bites the dust , oh oh ........ (Sounds something like that......) , who we refering to here?
did Lee shave with a knife ?
Coz!! he just left the building!!. What happenin folks?
did Lee shave with a knife ?
Coz!! he just left the building!!. What happenin folks?
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From: Intentionally Left Blank
Leave the 'Mad Swede' alone - he's a nutcase yes, perhaps even related to that nutcase of nutcases the Swedish Chef of Muppet fame, but he is a real stand up guy and has masses of energy being channelled in the right direction.
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From: Near Iranian Border
Full agreement on both Head of Sales and Distribution.
Question is would they want to stay with all the crap that is going around them? I hope they do as they get on with the job and let others play the politics game.
Question is would they want to stay with all the crap that is going around them? I hope they do as they get on with the job and let others play the politics game.
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From: Somewhere somehow
I love this post:
Another one bites the dust!! another one bites the dust, another goes, another bites the dust , oh oh ........ (Sounds something like that......) , who we refering to here?
did Lee shave with a knife ?
Coz!! he just left the building!!. What happenin folks?
lol, lee shave looked gay in some pics
on the GDN website 
Another one bites the dust!! another one bites the dust, another goes, another bites the dust , oh oh ........ (Sounds something like that......) , who we refering to here?
did Lee shave with a knife ?
Coz!! he just left the building!!. What happenin folks?
lol, lee shave looked gay in some pics
on the GDN website
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From: Austria
Head of Sales
Trouble is he's still not an airliner nor will he ever be. He's a hotel guy who new Hogan, the hotel business is management by panic. All HOS know's how to do is ask the WW sales tema to make more and more sales calls, irrespective if they make sense. He does nothing about the fact that EK and EY etc. are always cheaper. In Germany, for example, under his policies all the major corporate trasvel chains have cancelled their agreements with GF. Still more sales calls will always fix the problems, not better pricing, better connections, better after sales service especially from finance. It takes years for travel agents to get refunds.
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From: Two Sand Dunes West Of Tree Of Shite
To Al Fakhem Snr
Dear Al Fakhem Snr,
I have asked you before and I will ask you again. !!! Who is this Susan that keeps slapping your @rse and for the right price will she come around and slap mine.
You keep asking her to slap it so it must be GOOOOOOOOOOD
I have asked you before and I will ask you again. !!! Who is this Susan that keeps slapping your @rse and for the right price will she come around and slap mine.
You keep asking her to slap it so it must be GOOOOOOOOOOD
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From: bahrain
Danny boy
Isn’t it enough to know that the company sales have gone down since he took over as head of sales? The guy does not have the knowledge, the experience or the competencies to do the job. Why is he still there? All he has he learned from the people around him. Why are they keeping him? There are people in his department if not better they are no worse. Does any one know how much he cost the company ? ! ! !
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From: Intentionally Left Blank
If he has learnt all that he knows from those around him and you believe he is still not up to the job; then surely those around him must be at least as bad if not worse. It has long been understood that those in 'sales' (and I am talking long term in sales) dont sell. That's why there are so many sanctioned fares, for 'groups' of two or three! Area Managers believe selling is undercutting and their GM's approve! It is perhaps not the head that needs to roll but the torso that is supposed to be supporting it.
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From: bahrain
So who is responsibility if GMs and Managers do not sell? Isn’t it his responsibility to see that they are good salesmen? If you are a professional, it is no excuse you relinquish your responsibility to those under you. An expate is employed to benefit from his knowledge and experience. As BoogieLegs said " Trouble is he's still not an airliner nor will he ever be. He's a hotel guy who new Hogan, the hotel business is management by panic " . The guy failed to build a strong sales team and failed to increase sales. I agree with you, it is inconceivable the guy and his expates torso (who he employed) are still there, they are costing the company without good reason. If things are to change these must go immediately.
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From: Near Iranian Border
We digress from the original thread however .....
I'll add my view points into this discussion being a pen pusher somewhere in the commercial world.
At head level its about the strategy and how you will deliver the revenue today and tomorrow. To do this requires strong sales management skills and sales experience - not just being in the airline world for 10-20 years.
Within GF, it should be the Head of Sales and RGMs' that create the direction (which given that GF has had no leadership for over a year is a difficult task).
The role of the GM and sales team is to implement and deliver the changes. Unfortunately many of the GMs' and sales managers out in the field have no concept of selling and as Icarus has pointed out its about being the cheapest and undercutting everyone and anyone.
Of course there are some issues, such as product and schedule which makes life a bit difficult, but if you build good relationships in the market (regular sales calls) than you work with the travel agents to overcome some of these challenges.
Finally, heard many GMs' are under investigation for alleged corruption - i.e getting cheap fares approved and making a deal with a few special agent friends to share the difference. Is this selling ?
At head level its about the strategy and how you will deliver the revenue today and tomorrow. To do this requires strong sales management skills and sales experience - not just being in the airline world for 10-20 years.
Within GF, it should be the Head of Sales and RGMs' that create the direction (which given that GF has had no leadership for over a year is a difficult task).
The role of the GM and sales team is to implement and deliver the changes. Unfortunately many of the GMs' and sales managers out in the field have no concept of selling and as Icarus has pointed out its about being the cheapest and undercutting everyone and anyone.
Of course there are some issues, such as product and schedule which makes life a bit difficult, but if you build good relationships in the market (regular sales calls) than you work with the travel agents to overcome some of these challenges.
Finally, heard many GMs' are under investigation for alleged corruption - i.e getting cheap fares approved and making a deal with a few special agent friends to share the difference. Is this selling ?