Emirates 777 Incident In Glasgow
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Emirates 777 Incident In Glasgow
but maybe there is an expat F/O to blame for.Join Date: Mar 2003
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just back from GLA and seen the 777 with the left main in the grass......having spoke to airport worker apparently the CPT is management....possibly even the Ops. Manager.Director...obviously this will be confirmed over the next day or two no doubt. They were on taxy way A at GLA and turned onto RW27 at the intersection instead of the intersection for 23 which is not that impossible if you aren't familiar with the field. By the looks of it they realised and tried to turn back onto the taxy way too late and the left main wnt on the grass.....from its position I'd say the nose would of had to seen some grass action as well. I was fairly close....linig up on 23 after back tracking.
Hope no one looses any jobs......
Hope no one looses any jobs......
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it was the guy who wanted to increase the hrs for upgrade to 9000 hrs to create a shortage of upgradeable F/O's, then during a meeting an email of him was handed over to maurice.
in the email he asked his friends from SAA to send him their application for a DEC position ASAP because he didnt know how long he could keep the window open, another case of late justice.
in the email he asked his friends from SAA to send him their application for a DEC position ASAP because he didnt know how long he could keep the window open, another case of late justice.
wheel has finally turned.
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But i'd bet a months productivity that he had his brief right down to length, letter and order as per the FCOM.
Life's a bitch, why can't it behave the way they brief......
Life's a bitch, why can't it behave the way they brief......
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It will be interesting to see who was actually taxiing the aircraft. Of course the capt has final authority and control and all that. What I am saying is that if the f/o were taxiing, stand by for some new FCIs. The way things are done here, like no hand flying, no visual approaches etc., this would be the typical response-- no first officer taxiing.
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Right Warlock, i feel guilty. But the way these guys jump on you for a letter or a kilogramm, it sometimes just feels good to do the same ........
But, you're right, could have been me or anyone, sh&t happens.
Sorry
But, you're right, could have been me or anyone, sh&t happens.
Sorry
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This is like watching vultures fighting over a carcass. A mistake was made and thank god it wasnt worse. No one was hurt. We are all human and we all make mistakes.
Its like saying let the innocent man cast the first stone. What I see in the simulator would make alot of people on here retract the criticism they put down on these incidents.
I hope these guys are ok and they have my full support and sympathy.
Its like saying let the innocent man cast the first stone. What I see in the simulator would make alot of people on here retract the criticism they put down on these incidents.
I hope these guys are ok and they have my full support and sympathy.
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Emirates 777 at GLA
I have to agree that if you're not familiar with GLA you might jump to the wrong conclusion about this week's incident with EK26's 777. Maybe I can help to clarify things a little - I was on board the aircraft and I also trained for my PPL at Glasgow and flew out of there a lot in the 90's.
So - the 777 taxied normally all the way to the last taxiway (can't recall the designation) and turned left onto the undershoot of 23, typical for heavies to get another 200m or so of TOD. But instead of throttling up and taking off, the aircraft rolled slowly forward to the 23 threshold and then turned left off the runway at the first exit, abeam the threshold. I looked left as it turned and saw a landing aircraft on short finals carry out a go-around.
The 777 taxied forward a little and stopped (I assume at the hold line) and then moved forward again and turned left, attempting to regain the original taxiway leading to the undershoot. During this turn the left gear rolled on to the grass (only about 2 metres) and despite throttling up, the crew could not shift the aircraft. The rest is known.
I have photos taken at the time from outside when we deplaned and I'll try to post them when I can get them off my phone which won't talk to my laptop right now.
So I have two observations / comments: why did the crew abort the take off and exit the runway (any 777 drivers offer a clue here?) and it looks as if the captain or FO didn't appreciate how tight the final left turn is for a large aircraft. I'm not sure if you can follow the taxi centreline in such a case (777 drivers again?).
So - the 777 taxied normally all the way to the last taxiway (can't recall the designation) and turned left onto the undershoot of 23, typical for heavies to get another 200m or so of TOD. But instead of throttling up and taking off, the aircraft rolled slowly forward to the 23 threshold and then turned left off the runway at the first exit, abeam the threshold. I looked left as it turned and saw a landing aircraft on short finals carry out a go-around.
The 777 taxied forward a little and stopped (I assume at the hold line) and then moved forward again and turned left, attempting to regain the original taxiway leading to the undershoot. During this turn the left gear rolled on to the grass (only about 2 metres) and despite throttling up, the crew could not shift the aircraft. The rest is known.
I have photos taken at the time from outside when we deplaned and I'll try to post them when I can get them off my phone which won't talk to my laptop right now.
So I have two observations / comments: why did the crew abort the take off and exit the runway (any 777 drivers offer a clue here?) and it looks as if the captain or FO didn't appreciate how tight the final left turn is for a large aircraft. I'm not sure if you can follow the taxi centreline in such a case (777 drivers again?).
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If they didn't hit TOGA and commence the takeoff, they didn't actually abort it either, small point but one that could, actually would, be exploited by the press.
Also, the real question is the turn attempted physically possible in a 300?
Also, the real question is the turn attempted physically possible in a 300?
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I have worked with this captain on more than one flight and found him to be one of the most profficient and dedicated pilots around.
So if it can happen to him it can certainly happen to the rest of us.
So if it can happen to him it can certainly happen to the rest of us.
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Pics from the scene
I have pics and a short video taken at the scene. I can't see how to post them here so anyone who wants them needs to give me an email address to send them. Or tell me how to post them, if that can be done.
The pics seem to show that the nosewheel was following the centreline. I think that might be the root of the problem.
The pics seem to show that the nosewheel was following the centreline. I think that might be the root of the problem.