Accelerated command Emirates
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From: not in paradise
Accelerated command Emirates
Does anybody knows if Emirates is still having the accelerated command upgrade scheme in place?
I can not find anything on their web page or even written anywhere.
I understand that you need 6K. total with 2K. command in an aircraft over 55T. but as said before not seen it written anywere.
If it´s true. Could you really expect an upgrade in 18 months.
Now I´m ready to get shot at!!!!
I can not find anything on their web page or even written anywhere.
I understand that you need 6K. total with 2K. command in an aircraft over 55T. but as said before not seen it written anywere.
If it´s true. Could you really expect an upgrade in 18 months.
Now I´m ready to get shot at!!!!
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From: Over Graz
I believe the option is still available. Emirates never close their options altogether. You could be "accelerated," but don't expect much from the training. They will give you the minimum; you will do all the work. Then, you will be probably flying with more senior f/os who will "hold your hand" for a while. If you screw up even slightly, they will "decelerate" you in no time
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From: eu
"senior f/os who will "hold your hand"
F--- off .
No half decent driver with 6000+ hours and 2000+ command on any jet needs their hand held.
There can't be too many senior fo s in emirates anyway, unless they didn't make the grade.
F--- off .
No half decent driver with 6000+ hours and 2000+ command on any jet needs their hand held.
There can't be too many senior fo s in emirates anyway, unless they didn't make the grade.
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From: not in paradise
Ok, thanks for the holding hands advise but what I`d like to know is if you will get the accelerated command scheme in writting on your contract or is just a promises, promises.
Is 18 months a realistic timeframe?
Where can I see the minimum requirements. As I said before, nothing in their web page.
P.S. A bit of holding hands by a cute girlie FO does't hurt me, though
Is 18 months a realistic timeframe?
Where can I see the minimum requirements. As I said before, nothing in their web page.
P.S. A bit of holding hands by a cute girlie FO does't hurt me, though
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From: Hades.
Inciter,
There are a large number of F/Os with over 3 years in the company who are eligible for a command but are stil waiting for their course. They are very capable and are stuck in the RHS through no fault of their own.
Jedy's profile shows a JAR licence and type as 737NG. While I'm sure he is a capable chap, this could mean that he has no experience of HF, Monsoon, 7000' elevation airports, understand the Chinese ATC etc etc etc.
If that is the case then he very defintely would need the assistance and experience of a Senior F/O.
Obviously, you and 411A wouldn't
There are a large number of F/Os with over 3 years in the company who are eligible for a command but are stil waiting for their course. They are very capable and are stuck in the RHS through no fault of their own.
Jedy's profile shows a JAR licence and type as 737NG. While I'm sure he is a capable chap, this could mean that he has no experience of HF, Monsoon, 7000' elevation airports, understand the Chinese ATC etc etc etc.
If that is the case then he very defintely would need the assistance and experience of a Senior F/O.
Obviously, you and 411A wouldn't
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From: eu
helen-damnation
I assume we are talking about experienced commanders. As professionals I am sure that prior to taking command of their jet they would be adequately prepared. Most of the info required should be in the company ops manuals and in Jepps. As far as Chinese ATC goes no one understands them anyway, after been there a few times you just know what they are going to say next.
There is a big difference between assistance and holding one's hand.
I assume we are talking about experienced commanders. As professionals I am sure that prior to taking command of their jet they would be adequately prepared. Most of the info required should be in the company ops manuals and in Jepps. As far as Chinese ATC goes no one understands them anyway, after been there a few times you just know what they are going to say next.
There is a big difference between assistance and holding one's hand.
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From: Bit nosey aren't you
The accelerated option is in the FOM but will never be in your contract. You would only get accelerated if there were no 3 year F/Os eligible for command on your fleet. So were you to join now you would not get accelerated. We have many F/Os with more experience than you that are still waiting. Is that the answer you are looking for?
The goal posts can and do change all the time, as they say, past performance is not an indicator of future performance...... When I joined it was 4500hrs, then went to 9,000 briefly before settling down at 6,000.
The goal posts can and do change all the time, as they say, past performance is not an indicator of future performance...... When I joined it was 4500hrs, then went to 9,000 briefly before settling down at 6,000.
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From: Gulf playing Golf
Any 6000+ pilot with 2000+ jet command flown in Europe doesnt need a hand to hold......in Europe.
But going to FSIA or VRMM in the monsoon is something else..or HAAB for that matter...sweaty hands
Experience is good, but there must ba a reason airlines fork out on ROUTE training.....
But going to FSIA or VRMM in the monsoon is something else..or HAAB for that matter...sweaty hands
Experience is good, but there must ba a reason airlines fork out on ROUTE training.....
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From: eu
There are challenging airports and conditions in all continents. The objective remains the same. Do your homework, be prepared and fly safely from A to B without hitting anything on the way, that's all there is to it.
As far as route training goes it doesn't cost much, it enhances SA so bring it on.
As far as route training goes it doesn't cost much, it enhances SA so bring it on.
hey ! dont forget meeeee, i know chinese too
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From: dubai
In response to the original question. I don't think anyone knows if the accelerated command policy is still in effect. This type of information is a tightly kept secret amongst management. I suspect new joiners eligible for it will be told it is in effect, as an enticement.
Actually I don't really have too much of a problem with an accelerated command policy but in its recent form it wasn't always equated with ability.
The DEC policy on the other hand.......... WOW. Does anyone know if that is still in effect? I hear of the odd recent joiner getting DEC but not in the numbers it used to happen. I still think, well who am I kidding, it WAS the worst decision EK ever made.
Actually I don't really have too much of a problem with an accelerated command policy but in its recent form it wasn't always equated with ability.
The DEC policy on the other hand.......... WOW. Does anyone know if that is still in effect? I hear of the odd recent joiner getting DEC but not in the numbers it used to happen. I still think, well who am I kidding, it WAS the worst decision EK ever made.
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From: Australia
DECs "the worst decision ever" I doubt those who took the jobs or EK agree with you there!
All of the accelerated and DEC options remain in play, but EK will only use them if they run out of qualified more senior F/Os on a particular fleet. If you are not on that fleet at the time then command transition upgrade of F/Os or fleet transfers of Captains will take place. If you are on the fleet that runs out of F/Os then you will be in luck but not before. This is what is currently occurring within EK but is no guarantee of the future. EK will do what is best for them as they see it not what the unlucky fleet pilots who get bypassed for a while may want. It is not a system that is fair to each individual pilot but it does keep the aircraft flying, the airline expanding and the profits rolling in. Which ultimately ensures us all of a secure job with career progression.
If they stuck to strict seniority for upgrades I doubt they could recruit enough pilots to cover the cross training required and extra time on type prior to checkout.
They rely on those bypassed to carry the burden of their poor planning and the fluctuations of aircraft deliveries which is unfair. These guys understandably suffer from poor moral and considerable anxiety because of it. I think EK could do a lot more to compensate these guys if it fails to solve the crewing issues. Paying them some form of bypass pay to let them know that the company values them sticking around to become Captains for EK would go a long way to reducing the bitterness.
All of the accelerated and DEC options remain in play, but EK will only use them if they run out of qualified more senior F/Os on a particular fleet. If you are not on that fleet at the time then command transition upgrade of F/Os or fleet transfers of Captains will take place. If you are on the fleet that runs out of F/Os then you will be in luck but not before. This is what is currently occurring within EK but is no guarantee of the future. EK will do what is best for them as they see it not what the unlucky fleet pilots who get bypassed for a while may want. It is not a system that is fair to each individual pilot but it does keep the aircraft flying, the airline expanding and the profits rolling in. Which ultimately ensures us all of a secure job with career progression.
If they stuck to strict seniority for upgrades I doubt they could recruit enough pilots to cover the cross training required and extra time on type prior to checkout.
They rely on those bypassed to carry the burden of their poor planning and the fluctuations of aircraft deliveries which is unfair. These guys understandably suffer from poor moral and considerable anxiety because of it. I think EK could do a lot more to compensate these guys if it fails to solve the crewing issues. Paying them some form of bypass pay to let them know that the company values them sticking around to become Captains for EK would go a long way to reducing the bitterness.
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From: dubai
757 is a someone who got beat up a few years back by a smaller yet apparently tougher canuck, so he's still feeling a bit silly about it all. He thinks its me, hence the venom he can't help spewing. He came from a certain airline that went defunct and now he doesn't have his mother here to further his career so he's feeling a bit out of place.
You may run across him in the ops center, he's the one with his legs dangling out of the ass of the nearest management type.
You may run across him in the ops center, he's the one with his legs dangling out of the ass of the nearest management type.