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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 2nd Dec 2012, 18:05
  #5701 (permalink)  
 
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Dude,

i never said he will start tomorrow, i just said he got a contract. Since you sound so good informed you should know that there are 2 classes every month... the latest are about 20 pilot each.... I agree with you to be flexible but you should agree that changing a job and moving to another country it's not an easy step so i believe all the guys here a old enough and they have for sure though about it..... plus the will do it if they think it's good for them (as i do) because it's a very personal thing. Believe no one will listen to all critique (even exaggerating) you are giving to QR....

Happy landings
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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 03:41
  #5702 (permalink)  
 
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It is not only Disagreeable who write negative comments,it is other people as well. I am also wondering why these people are trying to paint such a negative picture about Qatar. I can accept that their intention is not bad,they might just want to give us a different point of view. But you made a very good point PilotofDoha,if they hate it so much why dont they move to other company? That would help us much more,there would be space for all of us 'swimmers' in the pool to join and start training.
I just dont understand why they make all that effort to blacken the image of the company,negative thinking does not help us at this stage.Ofcourse if that is their true opinion they have every right to say it,that is the purpose of existence of this forum anyway.
But certainly throwing bad comments about the country and the people in Qatar in general is out of topic. The subject of the forum is Qatar Airways and not Qatar. Criticising culture and people in general certainly does not help anyone and is very immature and childish to do so. Everyone as an individual adult person can judge for himself who is good or bad. I have spent a lot of time in various 'first' world countries ( in Australasia,Europe,USA ) and I was really amazed sometimes with the 'third' world way of thinking and behaviour of certain people in these countries. But I wont waste my time to go on a forum and start saying 'he is bad' or 'he is good' ,everyone can find out these things for themselves.
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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 04:51
  #5703 (permalink)  
 
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Ok, my two cents:

chrislikesblue; Jmodel; PilotofDoha and others:

what Disagreable is saying is correct in many ways. what he is not saying is he hates the country, thats what you interperate it to be!

Dont be foolish in your pride and ego and condem Disagreable for giving us a rather good insight into what is happening in QR!

I find it hard to believe you can spout out your judgement against all the info Disagreable and others have posted, that unfortunately YOU dont like because it does not help YOU. notice that word, YOU.

If you want to be a "swimmer", then fine, but stop posting ignorant posts about what you dont know, in a company you dont work for, and then put another poster down because you want work for a company and ignore every shed of evidence that suggests it may be different to what you think.

I must say, Disa's posts (and others) are concerning, and unfortunately correct. The place is frustrating beyond belief, especially for alot of people who are being given the run around, and that happens to ALOT of people!
The human rights issue is also very real problem; and i think it was meant to show you the type of issues that are glossed over here; bigger picture to me would state that its not an insult but a opening of your eyes to the ease of unfairness that can effect non-residents.....

I can confirm 90% of the posts, and if you want to play ignorant then thats your issue and no one else's.

I must say, even though it is a forum, and now (by mods admissions) possibly not an annonomous one now, then it takes guts to post something about a company that can get you sacked, your bank accounts frozen, thrown in jail at any time or held in the country! Dont take it for granted you "swimmers".

Thanks to the people that go out of their way to post real info, it is much appreciated!
better than reading "im still swimming for 13 months" now over and over again.

remember:
P: pool the facts
I: isolate the issue
L: look for a solutions
O: Operate the best solution
T: Take stock & repeat if not satisfactory result

best of luck
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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 04:55
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@disagreeable, even though I am not a fan of a "if u dont like it leave it" approach, but rather "try to change it to the better", in your case I am not sure it can work. You do seem extremely unhappy at where you are, so sometimes the best solution is to make the change. You are suggesting that we find something else and leave QR as last resort, well I would suggest even more the same to you.

One of the points that you have made for exemple is that there is no possibility of unionising in Qatar. But anybody that has done a serious research about the country is of course well aware of this fact and has accepted these rules by signing the contract. So crying over it is misplaced. At the same time, I should add that this is a country in the making, and thats what makes it exciting in a way. Dont forget that a few decades ago, they where shooting into striking workers in some of the western countries. Anyway, all of my fridns that have started to work for QR do point to some of the problems, but they are overall happy with their lives in Doha.

@Jmodel, any clue as to why your friend got an end of november update while some of us (most of us?) didnt? Is it the initiative, or a job well done, of some assigned coordinators while for others its just too much of work to write a short mail? And what was his update about, another update coming or something more positive? Interviewed when? Thanks.
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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 11:37
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Absolutely no better deal out there for the NTSO's except the QR one!

*If Disagreeable wants to help the guys waiting he could do it on the relevant point regarding the new contract for the SO. My best suggestion is to please those SO actually in Doha to come share their life experience with the new contract signed in the Second officer section and tell us if they are dieing or living decently.
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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 13:07
  #5706 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Everybody has a right to give his/her opinion.
A friend of mine who joined as a none type-rated FO on the A320, around March... he is very happy there. He finished his linetraining, his family joined him. He says the the company isn't perfect, as there is no perfect company. He confirmed that there are things that could improve. The only thing he regrets is that he didn't join the company 3 years ago. So that is another side of the story.
There will always be 2 sides to a story. There will always be people who love it at QR, and the other ones. I think it is important to share the information/experience/facts neutrally. And it's up to the ones who are waiting to decide if the info is useful, or not...
I made up my mind, because joining QR (based on the information I have) as a FTSO will be a huge improvement in my career and also for my family. Maybe not in the beginning, but once linetraining is finished...
Cheers to you all!
See you all in Doha! Soon I hope.
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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 18:38
  #5707 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
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No update here, yet.
Some guys did receive contracts (NTSO) I hope to receive that as well instead of an update IA !
Goodluck!!
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 11:15
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Interview in Oct, contract this week. Waiting on work visa.
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 11:39
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For what position did you apply for?? FO, DEC??
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 13:30
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Personnaly I do live in Qatar, I'm from the region and I feel it's really quite and nice.
I lived also in Europ Dublin London and Paris but I do prefer Doha
Clearly a biased opinion.
Plus it sounds like your not short of cash to have been privlidged to lived in other countries and your applying for SO' position..

Your ability to give Doha a huge thumbs up states you have the luxury of accomodation, time and money, which I dont think others have.

No ment to be insulting, but nationals are looked after very well here and this is alot different to expats!

Hiring issue:
there is still some hiring but still a huge backlog in training. expect trickling in of new hires, which may pick up when they have cleared alot of the training list (which will take fair amount of time!)! its a manual system and takes a while for anything to get done.

I dont like saying 'be patient' but that is your only answer; and no, posting about "no answer yet" really clogs up the thread, so consider posting when you have good news/heard something from QR!

I think if you get an answer and somebody has "helped you" get that good news you should also explain that, because that "help" is not allowing others with the "no help" understand if QR is actually getting through the hold pool list.

good luck.
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 15:20
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Still swimming...... Interview was April 2012...

Fast track SO.....

No update yet....... Swimmers please keep
updating if any news.....
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 19:56
  #5712 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Angry Update

Hello to all swimmers,

I got my update today verified and absolutely clear.

Next update in June 2013, new regulation! If screening successfully passed you have from the date of received " goog news" mail 12 month.

Thereafter new assessment required!

SFO 777, TT 7600 Asia Area.

That's the end for me to wait for more "good news" from QR and I will definitely stay in my current company for the next years.

Good luck for all swimmers
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Old 4th Dec 2012, 20:13
  #5713 (permalink)  
 
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Wink

Who told you that evrybody is rich overthere ?
The World Bank, that's who.

QATAR:
Population: 1,870,041 (2011) World Bank
GDP: 173 billion USD (2011) World Bank

SAUDI ARABIA
Population: 28,082,541 (2011) World Bank
GDP: 576.8 billion USD (2011) World Bank

SINGAPORE
Population: 5,183,700 (2011) World Bank
GDP: 239.7 billion USD (2011) World Bank

USA
Population: 311,591,917 (2011)
GDP: 15.09 trillion USD (2011) World Bank

UK
Population: 62,641,000 (2011) World Bank
GDP: 2.432 trillion USD (2011) World Bank

FRANCE
Population: 65,436,552 (2011) World Bank
GDP: 2.773 trillion USD (2011) World Bank

Taking the US definitions of Billion = 9 x 0's and Trillion = 12 x 0's, here's the per head of population figures PilotofDoha:

QATAR USD$92,511
SAUDI ARABIA USD$20,539
SINGAPORE USD$46,241
USA USD$48,428
UK USD$38,824
FRANCE USD$42,376

You'd have to agree PilotofDoha that those figures show that Qataris seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.

So maybe you'll understand why jibba_jabba was perhaps being a bit 'sceptical' of your statement when he observed:

it sounds like your not short of cash

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Old 4th Dec 2012, 20:31
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Not really promising...

It's not really promising what TripleCOP wrote.
As it's not really going smooth with new recruitment, as it takes a very long time to train. Thus people getting called to join is not that much I would guess.
If they use the 1 year limit, it's an easy way to empty that pool if people aren't getting called in time (1 year).
So the expression "be patient" might not be the case for everybody.
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Old 5th Dec 2012, 01:35
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so in order to clear a backlog they start doing reassessments for 80% of people in the pool, whilst still holding DEC interviews etc? What about blocked training capacities? they are gonna block them even more.
by the time you get a reassessment after june, many people will be over the age limit as well...
in case this rumour is true, it is a very bad treatment and discrepancy to what people have been told during the selection.

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Old 5th Dec 2012, 01:39
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@ PilotofDoha, SO will only be treated different if local or you know someone with real influence. You should know if you live there.
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Old 5th Dec 2012, 03:36
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This is something I always have been afraid of. The fact that one has to do a reassesment is one thing, but it is highly likely that we also have to 're-apply' ie fill in the application on the website etc. Meaning that for a lot of us (me, SO) there wont be a possibility to re-apply/ re-asses anymore. Lets see what our update has to say.
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Old 5th Dec 2012, 05:40
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Proof is in front of your eyes.

Probably a perfect time to tell you all:

"I told you so".

next time you wont shoot down my posts so quickly.



I think I am done with this thread:
I have passed on info that most have read, and few have really understood. And, I dont expect you to understand entirely, thats why I posted things so you can see the frustration revealed, not only what I see, but relayed to me by many others here (Doha/QR)

Although I am ok here in QR/Doha, there are much better places in the world, For every spoonfull of sugar here, there is 2 spoonfulls of salt.

So I could not say it better myself so I will quote from somebody here that gets it:
jj:
what Disagreable is saying is correct in many ways. what he is not saying is he hates the country, thats what you interperate it to be!

Dont be foolish in your pride and ego and condem Disagreable for giving us a rather good insight into what is happening in QR!

I find it hard to believe you can spout out your judgement against all the info Disagreable and others have posted, that unfortunately YOU dont like because it does not help YOU. notice that word, YOU.

If you want to be a "swimmer", then fine, but stop posting ignorant posts about what you dont know, in a company you dont work for, and then put another poster down because you want work for a company and ignore every shed of evidence that suggests it may be different to what you think.

I must say, Disa's posts (and others) are concerning, and unfortunately correct. The place is frustrating beyond belief, especially for alot of people who are being given the run around, and that happens to ALOT of people!
Thanks jj and others who validate things.

another good point:
I must say, even though it is a forum, and now (by mods admissions) possibly not an annonomous one now, then it takes guts to post something about a company that can get you sacked, your bank accounts frozen, thrown in jail at any time or held in the country! Dont take it for granted you "swimmers".
Here is the reason I posted many things to open your eyes:
pilotofDoha says:
Qatar Airways is amazing even if there are many problems in the HR department ...
Really, what do you base your knoweledge on? Friends, internet, aircraft orders, hope for low-time pilots, economic issues?????
You have nothing but hope and secondhand information not from a relevent source. All I can say is the proof is in front of your eyes.... lets just leave it at the total lack of communication "hold pool" gets let alone the people that actually work in this "airline" shall we.

Another post to make me do this:
If Disagreeable wants to help the guys waiting he could do it on the relevant point regarding the new contract for the SO. My best suggestion is to please those SO actually in Doha to come share their life experience with the new contract signed in the Second officer section and tell us if they are dieing or living decently.
Why dont you read my post RK303 instead of crying for help with no effort!
There is an entire thread for this topic alone and I have posted an answer to this (with links) as well as others! its attitudes like this which are insulting to anyones effort to reveal insights into this place.
Actually, the negative portrayal of the QR situation comes from SO's as well as my own knowings. so re-read. You can survive but you will just survive.

Good luck to those who actually need it and have worked hard for it;

I may PM some of you with details but from this point on will generally leave you all with this fanboy thread with many posts about no communications; You have no reason to say you were not told.

Masalam

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Old 5th Dec 2012, 06:01
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Thank you for your honesty and previous inside information on QR disagreeable.
Sad to hear you go.

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Old 5th Dec 2012, 07:35
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QR are taking 3 x RR powered A330 Freighters in January (brand new!). This has come a little out of left field, I would think the 330 fleet is going to be short of guys pretty quickly - good news for those waiting!!
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