Emirates stopping DEC
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Emirates stopping DEC
Am looking at applying for DEC in about 12 months time when I have the required flying time, but have just heard on another ME site that they are stopping this and that in 12 months time the good villas will be gone. Can anyone shed any light on this for me? I am non too keen to go back to the right hand seat as am a LT where I am, so to spend 3 years before getting the seat change is not sounding that much of a good move.
Would appreciate any confirmation on the rumour.
Would appreciate any confirmation on the rumour.
Last edited by Donpo; 7th July 2007 at 20:56.
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From: Indonesia
Hi Donpo,
Do, please do come over. Have not heard of any stopping of the DEC programme. Those whingers on the RHS are !!!! scared that their grandiose fat plans for the glorious 4 shining bars have gone pear shape. They talk of thousands and thousands of hours and prior PIC hours; mind you, these are hours built up in the bushes with props where a jet trip of one hour takes eight. Or doctoring of hours whilst flying cargo in freight operators with dubious record keeping. Ya ya do flame me, but people...know thyself.
Do, please do come over. Have not heard of any stopping of the DEC programme. Those whingers on the RHS are !!!! scared that their grandiose fat plans for the glorious 4 shining bars have gone pear shape. They talk of thousands and thousands of hours and prior PIC hours; mind you, these are hours built up in the bushes with props where a jet trip of one hour takes eight. Or doctoring of hours whilst flying cargo in freight operators with dubious record keeping. Ya ya do flame me, but people...know thyself.
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Muppets
On every post there has to be at least one Muppet, but the two here should be given the special Muppet award for being the most stupid.
mohdawang, your comments are offensive to any professional aviator and being based in/from Indonesia you should be very careful where you chuck stones, after all you have the best safety record in the world over there.
As for Lou, sorry you didn't make the grade, but in your case at least the system worked and your crappy attitude got found out.
Sour grapes does not give you the right to slag off a whole group of people, as you did in another post. I guess if you are flying 767's in the UK you must work for one of the premier airlines......NOT. Were you never an FO? that is if you are even a CAPT now. 
Don't comment on things above your intelligence level, you just show how much you don't know.
Wind your necks in and get a life
mohdawang, your comments are offensive to any professional aviator and being based in/from Indonesia you should be very careful where you chuck stones, after all you have the best safety record in the world over there.
As for Lou, sorry you didn't make the grade, but in your case at least the system worked and your crappy attitude got found out.
Sour grapes does not give you the right to slag off a whole group of people, as you did in another post. I guess if you are flying 767's in the UK you must work for one of the premier airlines......NOT. Were you never an FO? that is if you are even a CAPT now. Don't comment on things above your intelligence level, you just show how much you don't know.Wind your necks in and get a life
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I highly doubt the DEC policy is ending as this would clearly be an admission that it is not working. There has never been a larger gap between suitable applicants and available pilot positions, so if the DEC policy is effective as we are constantly being told, then it should be expanded and not abandoned.
There has been a subtle indication that management has realized this policy has caused more problems that it has solved and in fact will turn out to be more costly in the long run than sticking to a somewhat normal pilot career advancement program. This would have stopped part of the exodus as well as not contributed to the massive decline in applications.
This is a very good job at EK, in spite of all the efforts of management to ruin it. Fortunately for us, we have economics on our side, and as we all know, profit is top of the list when it comes to policy at this company. We need pilots, we need more training resources and good trainers and shortly even our short-sighted managers will realize that we are way behind the power curve and this may end this period of chipping away at our T&C's.
As for the initial post, i'm quite certain that EK is purposely 'saying' that the DEC policy is stopping, simply as a means to spread this rumour. This in turn they hope will encourage prospective F/O's to begin knocking on EK's door. In the mean time, they will continue to hire DECs, slipping them in the back door under our very noses. And before anyone gets their panties in knot, I have nothing against DEC's, in spite of the fact that we managed to attract a few odd individuals to say the least. It is the DEC policy that has been one of the biggest blunders of this airline.
There has been a subtle indication that management has realized this policy has caused more problems that it has solved and in fact will turn out to be more costly in the long run than sticking to a somewhat normal pilot career advancement program. This would have stopped part of the exodus as well as not contributed to the massive decline in applications.
This is a very good job at EK, in spite of all the efforts of management to ruin it. Fortunately for us, we have economics on our side, and as we all know, profit is top of the list when it comes to policy at this company. We need pilots, we need more training resources and good trainers and shortly even our short-sighted managers will realize that we are way behind the power curve and this may end this period of chipping away at our T&C's.
As for the initial post, i'm quite certain that EK is purposely 'saying' that the DEC policy is stopping, simply as a means to spread this rumour. This in turn they hope will encourage prospective F/O's to begin knocking on EK's door. In the mean time, they will continue to hire DECs, slipping them in the back door under our very noses. And before anyone gets their panties in knot, I have nothing against DEC's, in spite of the fact that we managed to attract a few odd individuals to say the least. It is the DEC policy that has been one of the biggest blunders of this airline.
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From: KGRB, but on the road about 1/2 the time.
Hi!
My buddy has no widebody, no heavy, and no oceanic experience. The EK recruiter told him he was elligible for a -777 DEC slot.
Mensaboy:
My CEO (the wife) has a career job in the US.
What are her prospects for getting a job in Dubai? What jobs are available to women there?
If she decided not to work, what is life like for female spouses in Dubai? She is originally from CYYZ, and she likes big cities. Oh, she also likes it hot. We go to KPHX and Mexico in July for vacation.
I am considering applying. I need about 100 more hours. I am not sure if we would love or hate Dubai.
Thanx!
cliff
KYIP
My buddy has no widebody, no heavy, and no oceanic experience. The EK recruiter told him he was elligible for a -777 DEC slot.
Mensaboy:
My CEO (the wife) has a career job in the US.
What are her prospects for getting a job in Dubai? What jobs are available to women there?
If she decided not to work, what is life like for female spouses in Dubai? She is originally from CYYZ, and she likes big cities. Oh, she also likes it hot. We go to KPHX and Mexico in July for vacation.
I am considering applying. I need about 100 more hours. I am not sure if we would love or hate Dubai.
Thanx!
cliff
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Well, if you aren't sure if you would like it but you like warm holidays why not come out on holiday for a couple of weeks and look around. Dubai is changing all the time so you can't rely on what a buddy said it was like a couple of years ago- you have to see for yourself. And anybody who is married and comes here without his wife knowing what she is getting herself into is nuts.
There are lots of jobs for wives but it depends what sort of work she is looking for.
There are lots of jobs for wives but it depends what sort of work she is looking for.
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Hi!
She's a stockbroker-has worked in the industry since age 20-now 47. If I got an interview, she would be coming.
She's the CEO, and if she doesn't like it it's a no go.
cliff
KYIP
She's a stockbroker-has worked in the industry since age 20-now 47. If I got an interview, she would be coming.
She's the CEO, and if she doesn't like it it's a no go.
cliff
KYIP
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From: Dubai
Ya the oceanic experience is very very important. I am just wondering how we gonna manage the Sao paulo flights. Nobody with south atlantic experience. Very very sad. But we can ask the south americans to do the flights. By the way I had no Saudi arabia experience when I joined.
Very sad.
Very sad.
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Thylakoid, you are absolutely correct since they have fo's of your caliber they definately don't need outsiders with +10000hrs widebody experience. They need YOU, YOU are the man, YOU are the best, the sun shines out of YOUR a**. I would really enjoy sitting with you & getting so quality aviation advice from you. I wish I could be just like you. All bow down & worship Thylakoid
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I am a DEC and I find no reason to believe that the programme should be stopped.
I think we bring allot of experience into the airline and the FOs in the right hand seat have allot to learn from us that come into the airline.
No first officer that i have flown with has as much experience as a Commander as I do.
I do not have experience in the region, but so what? Some of the guys I have flown with have no experience in short field take-offs, in circle to lands, in de-icing, etc.
They learn from me and I learn from them.
It is not called babysitting ,it is called resource management.
I am the captain responsible for the safety and efficiency of the flight, and I use all the resources, including the co-pilots knowledge of the region to provide a good product to the customer.
I have not flown a heavy wide body before, but I have not been challenged yet.
Not many pilots have been challenged either. An aeroplane is an aeroplane...
Those that have been challenged have remained in the RHS for a reason.
I readmy NOTAMs, I read my route manual, prepare for the flight and go do a job that has been done again and again by many others.
I believe that those who are in the RHS better show some respect and patience.
It is not about seniority, but about merit.
I am sure that Emirates management would have utilised your skills and knowledge if they thought it was up to the required standard.
They are expanding and need all the good guys then can get.
Do the job, take the money, go home, and keep smiling...
If any of you in the RHS believe that you deserve better, get up and go get the job you deserve. It is a pilots market.....
Other wise enjoy, observe, learn and be patient......
I think we bring allot of experience into the airline and the FOs in the right hand seat have allot to learn from us that come into the airline.
No first officer that i have flown with has as much experience as a Commander as I do.
I do not have experience in the region, but so what? Some of the guys I have flown with have no experience in short field take-offs, in circle to lands, in de-icing, etc.
They learn from me and I learn from them.
It is not called babysitting ,it is called resource management.
I am the captain responsible for the safety and efficiency of the flight, and I use all the resources, including the co-pilots knowledge of the region to provide a good product to the customer.
I have not flown a heavy wide body before, but I have not been challenged yet.
Not many pilots have been challenged either. An aeroplane is an aeroplane...
Those that have been challenged have remained in the RHS for a reason.
I readmy NOTAMs, I read my route manual, prepare for the flight and go do a job that has been done again and again by many others.
I believe that those who are in the RHS better show some respect and patience.
It is not about seniority, but about merit.
I am sure that Emirates management would have utilised your skills and knowledge if they thought it was up to the required standard.
They are expanding and need all the good guys then can get.
Do the job, take the money, go home, and keep smiling...
If any of you in the RHS believe that you deserve better, get up and go get the job you deserve. It is a pilots market.....
Other wise enjoy, observe, learn and be patient......
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Quote "No first officer that i have flown with has as much experience as a Commander as I do. "
That right because you took his bloody job!!!!!! Moron
Oh crap I just read the rest of your post, gotta be a wind up, w***er
That right because you took his bloody job!!!!!! Moron
Oh crap I just read the rest of your post, gotta be a wind up, w***er
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I am a DEC and I find no reason to believe that the programme should be stopped.
I think we bring allot of experience into the airline and the FOs in the right hand seat have allot to learn from us that come into the airline.
I think we bring allot of experience into the airline and the FOs in the right hand seat have allot to learn from us that come into the airline.
1) They would get far more applicants if they had a relatively stable progression up the seniority list from new hire F.O. to captain. Having DECs takes almost all the incentive for experienced pilots to apply to be an Emirates First Officer.
2) DECs can be loose cannons. People who play the game while in training and then go "cowboy" once on their own. We know a few of these exist and they are definitely a safety issue.
3) DECs from third world countries who magically have 8000 total and 3000 PIC. Most get caught in the interview, but I'm sure a few have slipped through.
4) EK First Officers with 18 months in seat hired before the DECs came are far more qualified to Captain an EK jet than a narrow body domestic skipper from Europe, Australia, or the USA.
5) EK First Officers know how to spell "a lot"
Anybody care to add more?
Typhoonpilot