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bluesfan i agree it may sound unfair but the fact is that there are WAY to many in the offive that do do nothing. I believe that they shouldnot all be painted with that brush and the managment should cut what they dont need and continue with the rest of the staff that are hard working the problem is usually one bad apple spoils the bunch....gulf air has been this way to long and now unfortunatel the good people will have to pay fpr their fellow employees that did nothing for the compnay
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Yes, guilty as charged - I was lumping everyone in with the masses showing there upset today. That was wrong. Agree as I know a lot of local staff that are worth their weight in gold too and some expat who are as you say, worth their weight in something else.
What I was really trying to highlight was that making ridiculous demands such as these in the typical 'local' manner is just outrageous and shows exactly why the company is in the state it is.
There is a tumour that needs removing. That tumour is fedby the Labor Law, indiscipline in the home and schools. If your hands are tied removing unproductive local staff you get this cancerous growth of shift/replace and an increasing workforce that yu cannot get rid of that demoralises everyone else and gets in the way of productivity and efficiency.
The surgeons knife is needed, no more life support!
What I was really trying to highlight was that making ridiculous demands such as these in the typical 'local' manner is just outrageous and shows exactly why the company is in the state it is.
There is a tumour that needs removing. That tumour is fedby the Labor Law, indiscipline in the home and schools. If your hands are tied removing unproductive local staff you get this cancerous growth of shift/replace and an increasing workforce that yu cannot get rid of that demoralises everyone else and gets in the way of productivity and efficiency.
The surgeons knife is needed, no more life support!
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Dear Icarus:
I absolutely appreciate your comment in which you clarified your view and acknowledged hard working locals as well. Local or not, hard working people exist everywhere and they deserve to be acknowledged.
I agree that the tumour must be removed. But removing such tumours cannot succeed if it is coupled with unfair generalizations (no matter how tempting they may be seem to be). Please bear with me if I sound persistent, but I must speak up for the sake of fairness. Notice the following statements that came in your post:
In your first statement, you refer to a “local” manner, and it certainly sounds negative. The last time I checked, “local” and “negative” aren’t synonyms. If you think the demands of these people are ridiculous, then that’s totally fine you have every right to your opinion. The demands could be ridiculous because these people who made them may be ridiculous themselves NOT because they are local!
As a local, I certainly don’t feel that what was in your second statements applies to me and I can assure you, plenty of other locals would share the same view. We certainly weren’t born with golden spoons in our mouths, and I personally don’t think the labour law has given me any added benefits or priority even though it may seem like otherwise. I also take a great deal of pride in my personal/work ethic and performance, just like many other hard working and committed locals out there.. and guess what? We are also a product of the homes and schools that you have criticisized. Again this is about the individuals not the nationality or background.
I know it may sound like I am taking this personally or overanalyzing, but please note that in your statements you mention “locals” without specifying whom exactly you are referring to. This can automatically be interpreted as everyone from the hardest working local to the laziest, it’s a sweeping statement that is therefore unfair. Perhaps you didn’t intend it that way? That’s fine, but then may be in the future a little bit of care must be exercised in phrasing things as it can save a lot of people feeling injustice! Furthermore, the things you have complained about can apply to people regardless of nationality. A person can still be a non-GCC citizen and still show the same attributes that you complained about.
Forgive me for sounding picky on this but I felt I had to speak up on this, and I hope you can understand where I am trying to come from.
I believe not enough hardworking locals are speaking up and are therefore making themselves “fair game” for stereotypes (and sometimes attacks) that do a great deal of injustice. This is dangerous for 2 reasons:
1) unfair generalizations can become the basis of some important judgements and decisions and
2) genraizations can MASK the truth by distracting attention away from the REAL problem or those “tumours” that you referred to!!! i.e. sure, go ahead blame it on the locals and take it out on them while you're at it, while the real slackers (local or not) still get to stay where they are!
Thanks!!!
I absolutely appreciate your comment in which you clarified your view and acknowledged hard working locals as well. Local or not, hard working people exist everywhere and they deserve to be acknowledged.
I agree that the tumour must be removed. But removing such tumours cannot succeed if it is coupled with unfair generalizations (no matter how tempting they may be seem to be). Please bear with me if I sound persistent, but I must speak up for the sake of fairness. Notice the following statements that came in your post:
“making ridiculous demands such as these in the typical 'local' manner is just outrageous”
“That tumour is fedby the Labor Law, indiscipline in the home and schools.”
In your first statement, you refer to a “local” manner, and it certainly sounds negative. The last time I checked, “local” and “negative” aren’t synonyms. If you think the demands of these people are ridiculous, then that’s totally fine you have every right to your opinion. The demands could be ridiculous because these people who made them may be ridiculous themselves NOT because they are local!
As a local, I certainly don’t feel that what was in your second statements applies to me and I can assure you, plenty of other locals would share the same view. We certainly weren’t born with golden spoons in our mouths, and I personally don’t think the labour law has given me any added benefits or priority even though it may seem like otherwise. I also take a great deal of pride in my personal/work ethic and performance, just like many other hard working and committed locals out there.. and guess what? We are also a product of the homes and schools that you have criticisized. Again this is about the individuals not the nationality or background.
I know it may sound like I am taking this personally or overanalyzing, but please note that in your statements you mention “locals” without specifying whom exactly you are referring to. This can automatically be interpreted as everyone from the hardest working local to the laziest, it’s a sweeping statement that is therefore unfair. Perhaps you didn’t intend it that way? That’s fine, but then may be in the future a little bit of care must be exercised in phrasing things as it can save a lot of people feeling injustice! Furthermore, the things you have complained about can apply to people regardless of nationality. A person can still be a non-GCC citizen and still show the same attributes that you complained about.
Forgive me for sounding picky on this but I felt I had to speak up on this, and I hope you can understand where I am trying to come from.
I believe not enough hardworking locals are speaking up and are therefore making themselves “fair game” for stereotypes (and sometimes attacks) that do a great deal of injustice. This is dangerous for 2 reasons:
1) unfair generalizations can become the basis of some important judgements and decisions and
2) genraizations can MASK the truth by distracting attention away from the REAL problem or those “tumours” that you referred to!!! i.e. sure, go ahead blame it on the locals and take it out on them while you're at it, while the real slackers (local or not) still get to stay where they are!
Thanks!!!
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Look at GF now. The oldest airline in the gulf. All the other operators in the region use exactly the same management philosophy though most haven't been hamstrung by multiple owners. Using the current model this is the future for Qatar, Emirates and Etihad unless competition or catastrophe intervene.
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"I totally agree about alansari brothers and panahi mafia but wasn`t the prevoius VPO who brought them?"
No, It's teh other way around. The mafia put him there in order to work from the background through him. He was a popet.
No, It's teh other way around. The mafia put him there in order to work from the background through him. He was a popet.
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Bluesfan,
I totally agree with your statement and only too aware that no all the bahrainis are lazy, as a matter of fact some of the expats are lazy too and beyond that unqualified but still get the job and decide which Bahraini will weork for them and which won't....If you see my point...You will understand that if Bahrainis made a bad name for themselves it is because of this practice that I mention above and none other.
cheers,
Fay
I totally agree with your statement and only too aware that no all the bahrainis are lazy, as a matter of fact some of the expats are lazy too and beyond that unqualified but still get the job and decide which Bahraini will weork for them and which won't....If you see my point...You will understand that if Bahrainis made a bad name for themselves it is because of this practice that I mention above and none other.
cheers,
Fay
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I would like to add-on something that bluesfan has said; I hope you don't mind.
Life as an expat can be full of frustrations.
Regardless of what issues you may have with local cultures, local ways of doing things, I try to keep in mind that 99% of the locals are extremely hospitable and tolerant to me, a foreigner, who is trying to make a living in their country. The majority are very respectful to me as a fellow employee, and I enjoy working with my "local" co-workers as much as or sometimes even more than other expats.
Lets not forget that all of us here in the sandpit were invited to come, and many of us came here because for some reason conditions "back home" were unacceptable and it was our choice to come. We are not an occupying force, and the colonial days of Empires are history.
While I am at times as guilty as the next guy, I suggest we check our language occasionally and avoid the arrogant retoric, which can have an even more toxic and damaging effect as our company goes through it's revolution.
Life as an expat can be full of frustrations.
Regardless of what issues you may have with local cultures, local ways of doing things, I try to keep in mind that 99% of the locals are extremely hospitable and tolerant to me, a foreigner, who is trying to make a living in their country. The majority are very respectful to me as a fellow employee, and I enjoy working with my "local" co-workers as much as or sometimes even more than other expats.
Lets not forget that all of us here in the sandpit were invited to come, and many of us came here because for some reason conditions "back home" were unacceptable and it was our choice to come. We are not an occupying force, and the colonial days of Empires are history.
While I am at times as guilty as the next guy, I suggest we check our language occasionally and avoid the arrogant retoric, which can have an even more toxic and damaging effect as our company goes through it's revolution.
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Very well said BLUESFAN,
People like ICARUS dont realize the damage that can be done by sending these kind of imature and irresposible posts.most of the locals and expats are living in harmony in this company, lets hope it stays this way.
People like ICARUS dont realize the damage that can be done by sending these kind of imature and irresposible posts.most of the locals and expats are living in harmony in this company, lets hope it stays this way.
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im(m)ature and irrespo(n)sible - Ah like downing tools for two hours or more unofficially, without a Union mandate nor a majority vote solicited from the membership just because you feel that the world owes you a living. That is exactly what took place yesterday. The demand, also immature and irresponsible. US$50K for everyone as a base (even if they started work in GF last week!) and 2 months for every year worked, plus this plus that. Might as well pay out and shut down the same day and then everyone in Gulf Air (including the Bahrainis and Omanis who work hard to make things better every day) can just go home and grow into a couch potato.
Ah yes, very mature and responsible....
Ah yes, very mature and responsible....
Play nicely or there will be no pudding after dinner.
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Oh yeah, how's our distinguished managers doing? Like I said before, no one really wants to be in their shoes. Then again, it is their chosen profession. So glad to be a pilot. Good luck to em.
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Ah, the 'mature & responsible' downed tools again today for an extended period of almost 2 hours - bit cooler weather I guess so they could stand outside longer than last week!
As I understand it, the current offer is VOLUNTARY. Why on earth are people 'demonstrating' disgust over something they have been offered should they wish to VOLUNTEER for severence? Nice to see the COO's secretary joining in! Perhaps BN needs to find a new one!
Perhaps the next time this unofficial and non-Union sanctioned nonsense takes place, security can run around locking the doors of the empty offices and then secure the ID cards of the staff until they have had enough unpaid time at home pondering their toenails to realise that it is better they actually do what they are paid to do - WORK BE PRODUCTIVE AND CONTRIBUTE TO MAKING THINGS BETTER! - hopefully eventuating with securing their jobs; rather than conduct themsleves in this atrocious manner.
Or are they really saying 'Mr Chairman, please up the ante a little, you can see at least 200 of us will leave immeadietly after getting our cheque. Thus making your company more efficient, more safe, more productive, profitable (inshallah), free of those of us that love to get in the way and waste everyone elses time and of course a much nicer place to work for those that are left'.?
As I understand it, the current offer is VOLUNTARY. Why on earth are people 'demonstrating' disgust over something they have been offered should they wish to VOLUNTEER for severence? Nice to see the COO's secretary joining in! Perhaps BN needs to find a new one!
Perhaps the next time this unofficial and non-Union sanctioned nonsense takes place, security can run around locking the doors of the empty offices and then secure the ID cards of the staff until they have had enough unpaid time at home pondering their toenails to realise that it is better they actually do what they are paid to do - WORK BE PRODUCTIVE AND CONTRIBUTE TO MAKING THINGS BETTER! - hopefully eventuating with securing their jobs; rather than conduct themsleves in this atrocious manner.
Or are they really saying 'Mr Chairman, please up the ante a little, you can see at least 200 of us will leave immeadietly after getting our cheque. Thus making your company more efficient, more safe, more productive, profitable (inshallah), free of those of us that love to get in the way and waste everyone elses time and of course a much nicer place to work for those that are left'.?