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ExEKpilot, I have been with EK for a long time, entirely my fault, I know, because I should have gone home a long time ago.
While I agree with your comments, you would be surprised to know that most, if not all, the policies in place to screw up the employees come from the expats (UK, US, AU) employed by the locals to run the show.
Enjoy your new life
While I agree with your comments, you would be surprised to know that most, if not all, the policies in place to screw up the employees come from the expats (UK, US, AU) employed by the locals to run the show.
Enjoy your new life
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all fair expats
th one time that an arab contry looks after the locals you guys start jumping ..i work for a company and am a local we get expats with marginal experience and they fly as copilots and make more money then me after twenty years and one fifth of my experience..
the market in the middle east is flooded by expats and some locals with out experience have hard time getting a job not only because of the overflux of pilots but also the expats are running the show...come on get off dohas back and be fair
the market in the middle east is flooded by expats and some locals with out experience have hard time getting a job not only because of the overflux of pilots but also the expats are running the show...come on get off dohas back and be fair
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Jetman61,
I've had enough of the politically correct bull**** so I'll give an opinion which as we all know are like ar**holes, "we all have one and they usually stink".
Some locals also struggle to get the jobs because their educational ability, motivation and flight training background are poor. 55% of the 'qualified' ex-pats that apply for a job do not get it; why should it be any different for the local population. Getting a job has always required at least 5 things:
1. Intelligence that matches the task.
2. Education to meet the task.
3. Training to do the job.
4. Experience to move up.
5. Motivation to stay the course.
What I see as an ex-pat are some very talented young locals that make the grade with ease. I then see a great number that struggle initially to overcome their educational shortcomings but are well motivated and smart and get there in the end. Finally I see the utter liabilities "I am local, you must give me the job".
In the private sector in other countries most young men and women start at the bottom and work their way up through the business. This gives them perspective and an understanding of the business. They develop themselves and then when they are ready move up the tree to become management.
Here we have guys that I wouldn't trust to clean my toilet that want to be the boss because they are a local. They do the rest of the hard working population an utter disservice and employ slaves to do the tasks they are incapable of. Remember the only reason a local is local is because they got there first not some unalienable birthright. I wish people would stop whining about being given a job and earn it instead. Few are resentful of someone that has earnt their position but there also has to be an acceptance that everyone is not cut out to be a pilot just as everyone is not cut out to be a brain surgeon.
Respectfully,
Ghost
I've had enough of the politically correct bull**** so I'll give an opinion which as we all know are like ar**holes, "we all have one and they usually stink".
Some locals also struggle to get the jobs because their educational ability, motivation and flight training background are poor. 55% of the 'qualified' ex-pats that apply for a job do not get it; why should it be any different for the local population. Getting a job has always required at least 5 things:
1. Intelligence that matches the task.
2. Education to meet the task.
3. Training to do the job.
4. Experience to move up.
5. Motivation to stay the course.
What I see as an ex-pat are some very talented young locals that make the grade with ease. I then see a great number that struggle initially to overcome their educational shortcomings but are well motivated and smart and get there in the end. Finally I see the utter liabilities "I am local, you must give me the job".
In the private sector in other countries most young men and women start at the bottom and work their way up through the business. This gives them perspective and an understanding of the business. They develop themselves and then when they are ready move up the tree to become management.
Here we have guys that I wouldn't trust to clean my toilet that want to be the boss because they are a local. They do the rest of the hard working population an utter disservice and employ slaves to do the tasks they are incapable of. Remember the only reason a local is local is because they got there first not some unalienable birthright. I wish people would stop whining about being given a job and earn it instead. Few are resentful of someone that has earnt their position but there also has to be an acceptance that everyone is not cut out to be a pilot just as everyone is not cut out to be a brain surgeon.
Respectfully,
Ghost
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Ghost man
i know i will not find an expat that will admit to any of what i say people are just prejudice period
the first interview i had 23 years ago to get into this business i was told by the manager hiring (he liked me and wanted to give me an advice) he said look son i like you but you have to understand we as expats havt to put in 10 20 % and people would say wow what an outstanding job while you will put 100 % and bend backwards and you will find guys that will still come back and tell you you need to work work harde to prove youe self ( and give you the lecture ..and may be i should copy and paste your five point here..)
any way he said understand that you will do great and nomatter what you do we are better .....he is correct
most ok 99% of the local pilots in my operation are collage grads and have gone to the best approved part 114 schools and outstanding pilots with the motivation and alll the other stoff the you mentioned not easy to find in our people..yet still we bring guys from outside with half experience and becuse they are better we give them as copilots twice what the captain makes because even thou they came fromprops we give them more money to whatch over our jet captains...yes becausethey are ..
on the other hand we got alot of expats that where fired and i have told a few that i would not hire them to be cab drivers (will not go as far as not letting them clean my toilet ..i think any one can do that)
on the other hnd i have sent out resume out but never got an interview ..ut i did once get an answer that with 10000 hours and 6500 pic on 737 and 2000 hrs glass/efis i don't have the requirements to make it as a first officer on a 777 and you should know why..because because of our stupidity (yes us locals) we put politically correct people with your mentality what the hell i will bring him in for an interview ..find out he is not good enough to clean my toilet and most probably he will asking to be my boss..hell no any crop duster from ny own will do the job
one more thing if i may add doors wide open over here for expats (and if you read pprune you can tell haw much they respect the locals and the culture i men have never seen once something good written about us people..)
with all the shortage in eu why don't they open the doors for us to apply over there ..i am great at cleaning toilets
the first interview i had 23 years ago to get into this business i was told by the manager hiring (he liked me and wanted to give me an advice) he said look son i like you but you have to understand we as expats havt to put in 10 20 % and people would say wow what an outstanding job while you will put 100 % and bend backwards and you will find guys that will still come back and tell you you need to work work harde to prove youe self ( and give you the lecture ..and may be i should copy and paste your five point here..)
any way he said understand that you will do great and nomatter what you do we are better .....he is correct
most ok 99% of the local pilots in my operation are collage grads and have gone to the best approved part 114 schools and outstanding pilots with the motivation and alll the other stoff the you mentioned not easy to find in our people..yet still we bring guys from outside with half experience and becuse they are better we give them as copilots twice what the captain makes because even thou they came fromprops we give them more money to whatch over our jet captains...yes becausethey are ..
on the other hand we got alot of expats that where fired and i have told a few that i would not hire them to be cab drivers (will not go as far as not letting them clean my toilet ..i think any one can do that)
on the other hnd i have sent out resume out but never got an interview ..ut i did once get an answer that with 10000 hours and 6500 pic on 737 and 2000 hrs glass/efis i don't have the requirements to make it as a first officer on a 777 and you should know why..because because of our stupidity (yes us locals) we put politically correct people with your mentality what the hell i will bring him in for an interview ..find out he is not good enough to clean my toilet and most probably he will asking to be my boss..hell no any crop duster from ny own will do the job
one more thing if i may add doors wide open over here for expats (and if you read pprune you can tell haw much they respect the locals and the culture i men have never seen once something good written about us people..)
with all the shortage in eu why don't they open the doors for us to apply over there ..i am great at cleaning toilets
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Hey EK SLAVE
With that mentality you'd be quite right to brand yourself a slave.I am a local and let me remind you how desperate you probably were when you submitted your application like many EK wanna be pilots.The deal you get here is sweet.never mind that you are likely to abuse it and bugger off when your opportunistic demands are met.Life in DUBAI IS ALSO FAIRLY EASY ON YOU COMPARED WITH WHERE YOU CAME FROM.
YOu dont like it?why put up with it.I hope you spill your beans face to face with someone who can more appropriately redress your "grievance".
For your info. we locals that have to work for a living dont own lofty towers and have to tale out a loan to secure an abode..like you do back home(and additionally here I might add).W e dont get to live in the pampered company accomodation and are not such a great liability to the company as you are.To say that the extra 4000dh is excessive ....why doesnt EK deduct 400dH ONLY FROM YOUR ALLOWANCE AND SEE WHAT COMOTION wil arise
If the kitchen is too hot pal...find your nearest exit...there are plenty more where yu came from that will gladly fit their bums on your vacant seat!Dont stink it please!
YOu dont like it?why put up with it.I hope you spill your beans face to face with someone who can more appropriately redress your "grievance".
For your info. we locals that have to work for a living dont own lofty towers and have to tale out a loan to secure an abode..like you do back home(and additionally here I might add).W e dont get to live in the pampered company accomodation and are not such a great liability to the company as you are.To say that the extra 4000dh is excessive ....why doesnt EK deduct 400dH ONLY FROM YOUR ALLOWANCE AND SEE WHAT COMOTION wil arise
If the kitchen is too hot pal...find your nearest exit...there are plenty more where yu came from that will gladly fit their bums on your vacant seat!Dont stink it please!
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The really funny thing is, that if up north the locals say "love it, adapt to it or then leave it" many expats swallow their passport and cry asylum, or run to the human rights commission and cry intolerance and racism.
Just try and pay a local pilot different than a expat one, say in the UK, and read the junk-press the next day .........
I don't like racism or favoritism on EITHER side.
Just try and pay a local pilot different than a expat one, say in the UK, and read the junk-press the next day .........
I don't like racism or favoritism on EITHER side.
You are right of course. I have not read anything in the Gulf news about a stoning for quite some time now. Still good to read about the odd flogging every now and then though.
Keep ducking.
Don
Keep ducking.
Don
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Uae Penal Code
SANDBLASTING IS INTERESTING BUT EMAR WONT ALLOW SUCH AQUANDERING OF RESOURCE...IT WAS RECOMMENDED THE OTHER DAY THAT BODYS SHALL BE DUMPED IN THE SEA...THEY NEED TO CREATE MORE FLOATING BRIDGES TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION....THE LATEST IS IF YOU APPRACH A WOMAN AND SAY HI AT THE BEACH.YOUR CAR/BIKE/WATER SCOOTER/YACHT...AND GOD FORBID (YOUR BAZOOKA STRAPPED IN YOUR JOCKS) SHALL BE CONFISCATED AND YOU SHAL BE TAKEN TO PRISON...WATCH OUT xxxxxxxxxxxxx IS THE NUMBER THE BEACH BITCHES MIGHT RESORT TO EXTORT YOUR LAST DIRHAM!BETTER GET MARRIED AND SETTLE DOWN GENTS( AND IT MAY VERY WELL UPGRADE YOUR ALLOWANCES!!!!).THE PUBS AND NIGHT CLUBS ARE THE NEXT POLICING ZONE!!!!!
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when in Emirates...do conform as in ROME!
Guys...stop moaning.
LOOK AT YOUR BOTTOM LINES AND DECIDE TO STAY OR GO...YOU ARE PILOTS AND HAVE NO DIFFICULTIES WITH V1..ABORT OR GO AWAY!
What disparities exist here are unmatched with the racism with respect to employment and the likes in say western countries.Today, as an Emirati I wouldnt qualify to even apply for a job in EUROPE no matter how commendable my credentials are.Here the whole world has been extended a welcome.INDEED priorities like any nation have to be accorded to its nationals...wouldnt you endorse this??
Another point to bear inmind is..with the influx of so many foreign pilots it makes it harder for locals here qualified at the basic level to get airline flying jobs..and so effectively the Supply spill is stealing some latent breaks needed by independently qualified local pilots much like every one of you needed at some point in your careers and AND ACHIEVED!
So please REFRAIN with critique on preferential treatment.. if we develop enough national cadre, the need for expat pilots in UAE with their lofty demand will diminish.....basic economic theory buddies.YOU WORLD BE WEL SERVED TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF YOUR TAX FREE EARNED DIRHAMS RATHER THAN BITCHING ABOUT IT AND RISKING BEING JET BLASTED OFF OMDB to scroucge for taxable income jobs elsewhere with protected national labour policies!
LOOK AT YOUR BOTTOM LINES AND DECIDE TO STAY OR GO...YOU ARE PILOTS AND HAVE NO DIFFICULTIES WITH V1..ABORT OR GO AWAY!
What disparities exist here are unmatched with the racism with respect to employment and the likes in say western countries.Today, as an Emirati I wouldnt qualify to even apply for a job in EUROPE no matter how commendable my credentials are.Here the whole world has been extended a welcome.INDEED priorities like any nation have to be accorded to its nationals...wouldnt you endorse this??
Another point to bear inmind is..with the influx of so many foreign pilots it makes it harder for locals here qualified at the basic level to get airline flying jobs..and so effectively the Supply spill is stealing some latent breaks needed by independently qualified local pilots much like every one of you needed at some point in your careers and AND ACHIEVED!
So please REFRAIN with critique on preferential treatment.. if we develop enough national cadre, the need for expat pilots in UAE with their lofty demand will diminish.....basic economic theory buddies.YOU WORLD BE WEL SERVED TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF YOUR TAX FREE EARNED DIRHAMS RATHER THAN BITCHING ABOUT IT AND RISKING BEING JET BLASTED OFF OMDB to scroucge for taxable income jobs elsewhere with protected national labour policies!
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I dont think racial slurs helps. If the locals get paid more, good on them. I wish I could. Its not their fault anyway - blame the inequality on management - they made the decision.
I think the Middle East has got it right. I wish I had preferential rights in my own country instead of being the bottom of the food chain because of ridiculous political correctness. The West could learn a lot from the Middle East if they took the best and discarded the worst.
Not much is fair in this game anyway. ERP is not applied fairly, variances on pay for Locals vs Expats is not fair, Accommodation Allowances are not fair nor are Utility Bills or the Upgrade policy. Get involved in a traffic accident and then see the huge disparity between law and justice. The list goes on and will get bigger - it always has.
Emirates has had its heyday for expats unless you come from a really messed up Third World Country. Its not going to get better with bigger demands for productivity at salaries of diminishing real value. This has happened in many other airlines and will continue to do so. If you are waiting for substantial improvement you'll be here a long time and wind up bitter and twisted.
They are going to increase the local pilot contingent and why shouldn't they? At the same time they will squeeze the expats so they gradually make way in an orderly fashion facilitating interim cheap labour. Everyone will have their personal breaking point.
Look for the new opportunities in aviation - there are a few out there. Get in early with the lucrative contract and catch the wave up. Remember you are an Expat and are out for the financial benefit. To maximise this choice you must be nomadic.
I think the Middle East has got it right. I wish I had preferential rights in my own country instead of being the bottom of the food chain because of ridiculous political correctness. The West could learn a lot from the Middle East if they took the best and discarded the worst.
Not much is fair in this game anyway. ERP is not applied fairly, variances on pay for Locals vs Expats is not fair, Accommodation Allowances are not fair nor are Utility Bills or the Upgrade policy. Get involved in a traffic accident and then see the huge disparity between law and justice. The list goes on and will get bigger - it always has.
Emirates has had its heyday for expats unless you come from a really messed up Third World Country. Its not going to get better with bigger demands for productivity at salaries of diminishing real value. This has happened in many other airlines and will continue to do so. If you are waiting for substantial improvement you'll be here a long time and wind up bitter and twisted.
They are going to increase the local pilot contingent and why shouldn't they? At the same time they will squeeze the expats so they gradually make way in an orderly fashion facilitating interim cheap labour. Everyone will have their personal breaking point.
Look for the new opportunities in aviation - there are a few out there. Get in early with the lucrative contract and catch the wave up. Remember you are an Expat and are out for the financial benefit. To maximise this choice you must be nomadic.
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Oh man i am enjoying your remarks and feeling so good that you people are so helpless and every night you cry in front of your kids the way the local treats you and they get all the good things.
Since you all cannot leave this company and that is because you all dont even have a decent job back home to support your family, provide them good education, get a tax free salary, drive an expensive car etc.
I am happy and thankful at what i am getting, atleast i can accept that my previous job was **** and over here they have given me more what i deserve. I dont care whether the locals get 100000 dirhams extra. Its their airline and their country and we all work for them.
You all are full of and two words for all of those not happy here, SHUT UP..................................
I was not happy with my previous job and nobody forced me to work, i decided to leave, which i did, atleast i had courage to do that and was not complaining and crying like all you.
Since you all cannot leave this company and that is because you all dont even have a decent job back home to support your family, provide them good education, get a tax free salary, drive an expensive car etc.
I am happy and thankful at what i am getting, atleast i can accept that my previous job was **** and over here they have given me more what i deserve. I dont care whether the locals get 100000 dirhams extra. Its their airline and their country and we all work for them.
You all are full of
and two words for all of those not happy here, SHUT UP..................................I was not happy with my previous job and nobody forced me to work, i decided to leave, which i did, atleast i had courage to do that and was not complaining and crying like all you.
Life in Qatar must be fun with you around A330 300. I think you are in need of a Bex, a cup of tea, and a little lie down.
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I think in all this mud slinging and abuse, we lost the point. The GOVERNMENT, ( not EK management), has decided to award the LOCAL workforce a payrise and EK who happened to have some locals in their hire fall into that category.
Good for them. Some countries have local preferential treatment and other perks to look after their own, so this is the UAE Govt's way. Let it be and enjoy the sun.
Good for them. Some countries have local preferential treatment and other perks to look after their own, so this is the UAE Govt's way. Let it be and enjoy the sun.
Remove Status..............
Which particular slave are you referring to? 60+ replies seems to suggest that more than one slave is unhappy, and that the slaves' (ie., more than one) percieved unhappiness may perhaps be justified?
Ever considered changing you user name to
'Removed from reality Status'????
Which particular slave are you referring to? 60+ replies seems to suggest that more than one slave is unhappy, and that the slaves' (ie., more than one) percieved unhappiness may perhaps be justified?
Ever considered changing you user name to
'Removed from reality Status'????
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SIUYA Let me get this one right,
You and the other 60+ slaves are not happy
with the Government paying their own people extra money.
(( by the way not all of them are unhappy, I guess you have to read the whole thing if you wanna generalize
next time))
You are not happy with me saying my own opinion in this topic
You are not happy with Emirates in General
You are not happy with emirates Managements
You are not happy with Dubai traffic
You are not happy with the 6% you are getting this year and the flying hour's pay
You are not happy with Dubai Growth
And now you are telling me that you are not happy with my name????????
Take it or leave it dude if you are not happy here
F***ING LEAVE
You and the other 60+ slaves are not happy
with the Government paying their own people extra money.
(( by the way not all of them are unhappy, I guess you have to read the whole thing if you wanna generalize
next time))
You are not happy with me saying my own opinion in this topic
You are not happy with Emirates in General
You are not happy with emirates Managements
You are not happy with Dubai traffic
You are not happy with the 6% you are getting this year and the flying hour's pay
You are not happy with Dubai Growth
And now you are telling me that you are not happy with my name????????
Take it or leave it dude if you are not happy here
F***ING LEAVE
Last edited by Remove Status; 23rd Apr 2007 at 14:31.
