ETIHAD AIRWAYS New salary
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No Surprise
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Are you surprised??? we always hear promises, promises, promises but nothing ever gets delivered.
We are already losing some great people. Not only pilots, but in HQ as well.
Are you surprised??? we always hear promises, promises, promises but nothing ever gets delivered.
We are already losing some great people. Not only pilots, but in HQ as well.
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No Loss of License or Overtime Pay
Then at the end of the month, when it really counts, the boys at EK will still be about 10,000AED happier than those at EY. Somebody has to fund the new " golden country club' compound in Khalifa City I guess
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The new package is on the Etihad careers website.
Looks good to me as I was already content with the old package but as always there will be some who will never be happy no matter what the package.
Looks good to me as I was already content with the old package but as always there will be some who will never be happy no matter what the package.
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ETIHAD New PayPackage
Long waited package from Insh Allah Airways aka ETIHAD!!
I've just compared what I will earn in March with old and New... Guess what.. ONLY 1,400 AED Better off per month (if you lucky)!!!
I got kids in school, no increase there!! still outta pocket by at least 15, 000 AED yearly!
Oh well... I suppose it's down to the EVPO to crew the aircraft as stated in the OMA, If he fails to do that, then I'm affraid he's gotta go!! regardless of the dress wearing folk upstairs who don;t really wanna match the package to their cousins down the road!
I've just compared what I will earn in March with old and New... Guess what.. ONLY 1,400 AED Better off per month (if you lucky)!!!
I got kids in school, no increase there!! still outta pocket by at least 15, 000 AED yearly!
Oh well... I suppose it's down to the EVPO to crew the aircraft as stated in the OMA, If he fails to do that, then I'm affraid he's gotta go!! regardless of the dress wearing folk upstairs who don;t really wanna match the package to their cousins down the road!
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Eh?
The Cayenne bit and restaurants might be true but
"You forgot our fantastic 5 bedrooms villas with swimming pool on the corniche, here we have the best accomodation available on the market."!
Thought there were big poblems with accomodation and loss of licence might be coming but not aware of it being there yet?!
The Cayenne bit and restaurants might be true but
"You forgot our fantastic 5 bedrooms villas with swimming pool on the corniche, here we have the best accomodation available on the market."!
Thought there were big poblems with accomodation and loss of licence might be coming but not aware of it being there yet?!
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I think it called irony. I heard EY are about to announce basing and commuting rosters.
Nothing wrong living in Abu Dhabi or working at Etihad, not perfect but then show me where is.
Time to command.
Talking to a colleague today about new deal. They reckon it is good for F/Os but not so good for Captains and by the sounds of it still not up with EK!
Also had anyone got any idea on times to command at the moment? If there is a freeze on expansion/deliveries that will slow things down a lot.
5 Bedroom Villas? Are these the ones being built out by the airport or the purchase scheme nearer downtown?
Also had anyone got any idea on times to command at the moment? If there is a freeze on expansion/deliveries that will slow things down a lot.
5 Bedroom Villas? Are these the ones being built out by the airport or the purchase scheme nearer downtown?
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With all the positive developments going on in EY (improvement of package, expansion programs, etc), I am now more than inclined to join this company.
What with man's insatiable appetite, for sure there will always be happy and unhappy people. But as they say, it's impossible to please everybody.
Nevertheless, I am looking forward to expanding my horizon, and EY seems to be holding a bright future for anyone hoping to have a better life and a good career.
I am about to embark on a life-changing decision, and with a bagful of hopes and dreams, I am now ready to fly high in EY.
To all those who responded to my queries, I give my deepest gratitude for all your sound advise. I have weighed things carefully, and without your inputs and advise, I know that I couldn't have come up with a better decision.
Safe flight everyone! Ma salama!
What with man's insatiable appetite, for sure there will always be happy and unhappy people. But as they say, it's impossible to please everybody.
Nevertheless, I am looking forward to expanding my horizon, and EY seems to be holding a bright future for anyone hoping to have a better life and a good career.
I am about to embark on a life-changing decision, and with a bagful of hopes and dreams, I am now ready to fly high in EY.
To all those who responded to my queries, I give my deepest gratitude for all your sound advise. I have weighed things carefully, and without your inputs and advise, I know that I couldn't have come up with a better decision.
Safe flight everyone! Ma salama!
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Djuggler,
You won't regret your decision, I haven't looked back one day since joining Etihad. Its far better than I expected and far far better than my previous so called Major Airline.
I think some need to remember that they happily signed up to the previous package when they joined Etihad. Now they are in essence getting a pay rise, granted not huge, purely because of a pilot shortage and in no way because they are entitled to one and yet still complain. I just wonder how much money would be enough to keep these people happy thats if they even consider their own happiness over income.
Djuggler good luck in Etihad. Hope to meet up one day. Its great fun and rewarding working here as you will soon see.
You won't regret your decision, I haven't looked back one day since joining Etihad. Its far better than I expected and far far better than my previous so called Major Airline.
I think some need to remember that they happily signed up to the previous package when they joined Etihad. Now they are in essence getting a pay rise, granted not huge, purely because of a pilot shortage and in no way because they are entitled to one and yet still complain. I just wonder how much money would be enough to keep these people happy thats if they even consider their own happiness over income.
Djuggler good luck in Etihad. Hope to meet up one day. Its great fun and rewarding working here as you will soon see.
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You sound like management disguising themselves on this thread as a rookie trying to sell pilots this deal.
Once a used car salesman, always a used car salesman!
I will stick with "the other major airline" thanks
At least they have yearly BONUSES!
You sound like management disguising themselves on this thread as a rookie trying to sell pilots this deal.
Once a used car salesman, always a used car salesman!
I will stick with "the other major airline" thanks
At least they have yearly BONUSES!
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think carefully...for FOs
To all guys joining as co-pilots.....beware. As you know from previous posts, not all is what it seems in Etihad. A word of caution for your consideration. In the new salary scheme, the FO's salary was increased substantially for a good reason. The management already know that airplane deliveries will stop after 2008. With that, upgrades will also stop accordingly and the amount of upgrades that they expect to do will just barely cover the existing co-pilots already in the company. Hence any new joiners will can only reasonably expect an upgrade in 2012 or later when more planes arrive.
The current guys slotted in for upgrade is already delayed as they can't spare anymore FOs to cater for the ones being upgraded.
I wish you best of luck to consider your move carefully.....
The current guys slotted in for upgrade is already delayed as they can't spare anymore FOs to cater for the ones being upgraded.
I wish you best of luck to consider your move carefully.....
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Not much of a package
Just ran much numbers and raise for me is at only a few percent rise, with less of penalty for holiday. One captain say inflation is runing over 25 percent year in Abu Dhabi, while housing going up more than this. With anual rise in following year only 700 durhams (200USD) month, cost of living will grow much, much faster than your salary. EK is still paying more when one consider living provision, which is a major problem in AUH unless you will live in apratment and don't mind children playing by busy hiways. Villas expensive and company one still away.
Watch roster also. With no cost for company to have you on standby, it could be quite problem. I am already 23 days on roster sometimes.
Also many concerned about medical coverage being very restrictive and no limit on how much per anum you can pay if they will not cover problem. Many pages of exclusion conditions and people having to pay common charges that were covered under old plan, but now not because of new insurance company.
Working for Etihad not to bad, but not to good either. Hotels we are provided on night stops not near to EK. Crew Control is out of Control and often do not know regulations and will ask you to fly even when not legal.
Also for first officers, only few more planes coming here, so there will be less opportunity to upgrade if you sign now. In the next year EK is getting more a/c than we have. Also, if you are not in with people of power it will be harder for you to get command, as your performance is not only factor considered.
To me it seems that Asians have easier time here than Westerners. Those of us who worked in past in Europe and other places find this very unorganized and still see many problems here that are not being managed compared with rate we have grown.
I can see nothing in future that will make this a desireable place to work. We will be less able to save any money since cost are increasing here so fast.
Anyway, some other airlines may be worse but many other comprable or better.
Consider your decison carefully.
Watch roster also. With no cost for company to have you on standby, it could be quite problem. I am already 23 days on roster sometimes.
Also many concerned about medical coverage being very restrictive and no limit on how much per anum you can pay if they will not cover problem. Many pages of exclusion conditions and people having to pay common charges that were covered under old plan, but now not because of new insurance company.
Working for Etihad not to bad, but not to good either. Hotels we are provided on night stops not near to EK. Crew Control is out of Control and often do not know regulations and will ask you to fly even when not legal.
Also for first officers, only few more planes coming here, so there will be less opportunity to upgrade if you sign now. In the next year EK is getting more a/c than we have. Also, if you are not in with people of power it will be harder for you to get command, as your performance is not only factor considered.
To me it seems that Asians have easier time here than Westerners. Those of us who worked in past in Europe and other places find this very unorganized and still see many problems here that are not being managed compared with rate we have grown.
I can see nothing in future that will make this a desireable place to work. We will be less able to save any money since cost are increasing here so fast.
Anyway, some other airlines may be worse but many other comprable or better.
Consider your decison carefully.
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Hard Facts about Etihad Pay review!
Etihad management have certainly misjudged the whole thing.
Moral is at an all time low as a result of below industry standard pay scales, no pension scheme or loss of licence, very poor private health care cover and substandard housing in comparison with other gulf Carriers.
Many Etihad pilots have been hanging on waiting to see if the pay rise would be worth staying for. I fully expect to see many pilots actively looking to move on after all there are plenty of jobs out there.
Now the Basic salary has been increased to 33000 with a 50 dhs per flying hour allowance and off duty away from base allowance of 23dhs per hour maximum to
Minimum of 12dhs per hour depending on where your layover.
This is obviously better as you get a higher basic when you are on leave or off sick.
However there is no daily rate nor payment for standby or ground course except simulator training.
Etihad claim that this represents a 7.7% rise based on a Captain year 1 flying 75 hours a month and 3 nights away from base. Except that over the last 12 months a Captain never averages 75 hours more like 50 however does average around 20 – 22 duty days a month so you get around 14000 -15400 in duty pay added to a year 1 Basic of 23000 which gives an average monthly salary 37000 – 38400. Take into account leave days and possible sick time average salary over 12 months is around 34000.
First Officers salary has increased from a year 1 Basic of 16400 to 24500 and 40 dhs per flying hour. Etihad recon that’s 16.8 %
Ok it is a pay rise but still be lagging behind Industry standard. It barley covers you for what your have lost in your salary each month due to the de-value of UAE Dirham which is pegged to the USD against the strong Euro and Sterling. Not to mention the soaring inflation in the UAE around 28 %
What you don’t get is
No Pension Scheme
No Loss of Licence
No transport to / from work (like in Emirates)
No Currency exchange rate protection
No descent housing oh but they are negotiating some villas that are quite frankly Sh*t which are so remote they are 50 km from downtown Abu Dhabi, shops and schools.
They might as well be on the Lunar Surface.
Expected time for command upgrades has slowed right down as no more expansion after the end of this year. Time to command? possibly 3- 4 years
Moral is at an all time low as a result of below industry standard pay scales, no pension scheme or loss of licence, very poor private health care cover and substandard housing in comparison with other gulf Carriers.
Many Etihad pilots have been hanging on waiting to see if the pay rise would be worth staying for. I fully expect to see many pilots actively looking to move on after all there are plenty of jobs out there.
Now the Basic salary has been increased to 33000 with a 50 dhs per flying hour allowance and off duty away from base allowance of 23dhs per hour maximum to
Minimum of 12dhs per hour depending on where your layover.
This is obviously better as you get a higher basic when you are on leave or off sick.
However there is no daily rate nor payment for standby or ground course except simulator training.
Etihad claim that this represents a 7.7% rise based on a Captain year 1 flying 75 hours a month and 3 nights away from base. Except that over the last 12 months a Captain never averages 75 hours more like 50 however does average around 20 – 22 duty days a month so you get around 14000 -15400 in duty pay added to a year 1 Basic of 23000 which gives an average monthly salary 37000 – 38400. Take into account leave days and possible sick time average salary over 12 months is around 34000.
First Officers salary has increased from a year 1 Basic of 16400 to 24500 and 40 dhs per flying hour. Etihad recon that’s 16.8 %
Ok it is a pay rise but still be lagging behind Industry standard. It barley covers you for what your have lost in your salary each month due to the de-value of UAE Dirham which is pegged to the USD against the strong Euro and Sterling. Not to mention the soaring inflation in the UAE around 28 %
What you don’t get is
No Pension Scheme
No Loss of Licence
No transport to / from work (like in Emirates)
No Currency exchange rate protection
No descent housing oh but they are negotiating some villas that are quite frankly Sh*t which are so remote they are 50 km from downtown Abu Dhabi, shops and schools.
They might as well be on the Lunar Surface.
Expected time for command upgrades has slowed right down as no more expansion after the end of this year. Time to command? possibly 3- 4 years
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Waste of time
Waiting and waiting and waiting for the good news...........
and now! what a waste of time! is that what they call new package?
new management but still the same old thing. their mentality is, give them bit by bit, they will stay, they will come and at the same time we can cut cost. but our (management people) pay must be a lot, i mean a lot, because we (management people) not gonna be around for a long time. when things goes bad we just resign with good bonus.
if you guys out there with a good job, don't even think of applying or consider somewhere else where the management is mature enough.
living in abu dhabi is not that wonderful, you will find many things here is not normal practice as other countries. process in doing things is troublesome.
MC
and now! what a waste of time! is that what they call new package?
new management but still the same old thing. their mentality is, give them bit by bit, they will stay, they will come and at the same time we can cut cost. but our (management people) pay must be a lot, i mean a lot, because we (management people) not gonna be around for a long time. when things goes bad we just resign with good bonus.
if you guys out there with a good job, don't even think of applying or consider somewhere else where the management is mature enough.
living in abu dhabi is not that wonderful, you will find many things here is not normal practice as other countries. process in doing things is troublesome.
MC
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Djuggler good luck in Etihad. Hope to meet up one day. Its great fun and rewarding working here as you will soon see.
You sound like management disguising themselves on this thread as a rookie trying to sell pilots this deal.
I am, however, disappointed by your negativity trying to scare people like me to come and join etihad. But no matter what other people say, I have made up my mind and I am going there to join you. I hope one day we'll get to fly together, and no matter how bad you feel about EY, still you can count on me to make our flight nice and enjoyable.
Safe flight though, csek. Wish you all the best, and of course happiness in this world.
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And don't say that I did not tell you!!!!
Some choose not to listen, others pretend, the rest, suffer.
Abu Dhabi + Ignorant management = Ignorant airline unfit for animal consumption, let alone human consumption.
Dobra Sreca
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Some choose not to listen, others pretend, the rest, suffer.
Abu Dhabi + Ignorant management = Ignorant airline unfit for animal consumption, let alone human consumption.
Dobra Sreca
H&S