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Are you saying that once people become Captains,they should only ever consider a new job providing they 'retain' their Command? What about guys in B.A who might decide to leave a short haul command for a few years right seat long haul, or the guys who flew Left seat RJ100 (146) who join the likes of Britannia flying 767.The reason,i'd guess, is that it's more for a lifestyle change.It's not a case of not having the backbone.If anything,those that do make the move have a lot more AND the confidence in their own abilities that they will 'earn' their Command again.As I said in my previous post,a lot can be learnt from this 'nonsense' as you put it !!!!!
You were obviously fortunate to have been around in Aviation at the right time and the right place.The Gulf in the early seventies was a gold pot which can hardly be said of the place now. I'm glad for you and those of your generation who were able to enjoy the better times.
I, like many here,came with our eyes open and were well aware of what was offered to us.Granted,things have changed here and not always for the better.This,however IS one of the fundemental risks of working out here and guys should be aware of that. I have no regrets as I believe there is huge potential here in Emirates.If you would,however,advise me of the unusual circumstances in which one should give up their Command,i'd appreciate your comments,especially as,according to you, I now appear to be heading on the'road to disaster'
As for ZOMP, I can't for one minute understand only 14 days of leave. You need to investigate that further mate!
No beach today..........it's raining!
Che
Have just read your post but can't agree with that one.Left hand seat is great,sure,but is NOT the road to job satisfaction.That's why I left.
If it were true,you'd never get any whinging skippers and that,my friend ,is as rare as rocking horse poo!
Chow!
Are you saying that once people become Captains,they should only ever consider a new job providing they 'retain' their Command? What about guys in B.A who might decide to leave a short haul command for a few years right seat long haul, or the guys who flew Left seat RJ100 (146) who join the likes of Britannia flying 767.The reason,i'd guess, is that it's more for a lifestyle change.It's not a case of not having the backbone.If anything,those that do make the move have a lot more AND the confidence in their own abilities that they will 'earn' their Command again.As I said in my previous post,a lot can be learnt from this 'nonsense' as you put it !!!!!
You were obviously fortunate to have been around in Aviation at the right time and the right place.The Gulf in the early seventies was a gold pot which can hardly be said of the place now. I'm glad for you and those of your generation who were able to enjoy the better times.
I, like many here,came with our eyes open and were well aware of what was offered to us.Granted,things have changed here and not always for the better.This,however IS one of the fundemental risks of working out here and guys should be aware of that. I have no regrets as I believe there is huge potential here in Emirates.If you would,however,advise me of the unusual circumstances in which one should give up their Command,i'd appreciate your comments,especially as,according to you, I now appear to be heading on the'road to disaster'
As for ZOMP, I can't for one minute understand only 14 days of leave. You need to investigate that further mate!
No beach today..........it's raining!
Che
Have just read your post but can't agree with that one.Left hand seat is great,sure,but is NOT the road to job satisfaction.That's why I left.
If it were true,you'd never get any whinging skippers and that,my friend ,is as rare as rocking horse poo!
Chow!
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Apologies Zomp, regarding your leave I thought you might have goofed up somewhere along the line.
I have just checked the leave system and there is only one day available to take leave in the forthcoming leave year in my category!!
Now don't all rush, but if you want the 22nd April, it's still available!!
I have just checked the leave system and there is only one day available to take leave in the forthcoming leave year in my category!!
Now don't all rush, but if you want the 22nd April, it's still available!!
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Not only is there no leave available to take on the leave bid system, (a sea of red colour engulfs the page) but speking to the leave coordinator I was told by him to piss off. For those of you not familiar with the region it is the normal after sales service provided by the staff..... I am also owed about two weeks from this year as there was none available left to take, and also some 5 days before that. So pretty soon if it keeps up like this I will go on paid leave for a year.... But then again who was that manager that said that our job is a long lasting holiday so we do not need leave......
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Mmmmmm.........................Perhaps the road to disaster is upon us sooner than we thought.
If all this is correct then we obviously don't have enough pilots to cover the program.
411A........Fancy coming out of retirement for a few years and coming here to help,we appear to be desperate!
If all this is correct then we obviously don't have enough pilots to cover the program.
411A........Fancy coming out of retirement for a few years and coming here to help,we appear to be desperate!
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If no leave available and you continue to fly big hours/long dutys then take a sick day/s...thats what its for anywhere else in the world. Its there 
up not ours and then we just get told all the usual crap. I'm SICK of it!
up not ours and then we just get told all the usual crap. I'm SICK of it!
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14 days leave?
Zomp,
I suggest you do a little homework on UAE labour law. Leave is your legal right. And before everybody jumps on the "there are no rights in the UAE" wagon, I would point out that the "legal" approach has worked in the past and the individual did get his leave granted.
It just depends on whether you are willing to get (pay for?) written legal opinion from a local reputable law firm, and then walk into the office with it in your hot little hand and say "According to UAE Law, leave is an entitlement, and to be taken at a suitable time by mutual consent etc etc etc etc".
I wish you all the best, and admire your bravery if you do take that option. If more people actually did this then a lot of what's happening probably wouldn't.
CTOAN
I suggest you do a little homework on UAE labour law. Leave is your legal right. And before everybody jumps on the "there are no rights in the UAE" wagon, I would point out that the "legal" approach has worked in the past and the individual did get his leave granted.
It just depends on whether you are willing to get (pay for?) written legal opinion from a local reputable law firm, and then walk into the office with it in your hot little hand and say "According to UAE Law, leave is an entitlement, and to be taken at a suitable time by mutual consent etc etc etc etc".
I wish you all the best, and admire your bravery if you do take that option. If more people actually did this then a lot of what's happening probably wouldn't.
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UAE Labour Law
Part IV : Hours of Work and Leave
Chapter II
Leave
Article 74
Article 75
Every worker shall, within each year of service , be granted a period of anual leave not less than :
(a) Two a month, where the worker's period of service is more than six month but less than one year ;
(b) 30 days a year, where the workers period of service is more than one year.
Where a workers' service is terminated, he shall be entitled to anual leave in respect of fracttions of the last year.
Article 76
The employer may fix the date of comencement of anual leave and , if necessary, divide such leave into not more than two periods. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the provision respecting the division of leave shall not apply to leave fixed for young persons.
Article 77
Holidays for which provisions has been made by law or agreement or any other days of absence from work on account of sickness shall be rekoned as part of the annual leave if such holidays fall within the annual leave.
Article 78
Every worker shall be entitled to his basic wage and housing allowance if applicable in respect of his days of annual leave where the circumstances of the work make it necessary for a worker to work during all or part of his annualleave and the days of leave on which he works are not carried forward to the following year, the employer shall pay him his remuneration, plus a leave allowance in respect of the days worked at a rate equal to his basic wage.
It shall be unlawfull in any circumstances to employ a worker during his annual leave more than once in two successive years.
Part IV : Hours of Work and Leave
Chapter II
Leave
Article 74
Article 75
Every worker shall, within each year of service , be granted a period of anual leave not less than :
(a) Two a month, where the worker's period of service is more than six month but less than one year ;
(b) 30 days a year, where the workers period of service is more than one year.
Where a workers' service is terminated, he shall be entitled to anual leave in respect of fracttions of the last year.
Article 76
The employer may fix the date of comencement of anual leave and , if necessary, divide such leave into not more than two periods. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the provision respecting the division of leave shall not apply to leave fixed for young persons.
Article 77
Holidays for which provisions has been made by law or agreement or any other days of absence from work on account of sickness shall be rekoned as part of the annual leave if such holidays fall within the annual leave.
Article 78
Every worker shall be entitled to his basic wage and housing allowance if applicable in respect of his days of annual leave where the circumstances of the work make it necessary for a worker to work during all or part of his annualleave and the days of leave on which he works are not carried forward to the following year, the employer shall pay him his remuneration, plus a leave allowance in respect of the days worked at a rate equal to his basic wage.
It shall be unlawfull in any circumstances to employ a worker during his annual leave more than once in two successive years.
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EK Resignations
20 resginations just last week.. Could it be pilots at EK have awoken from their slumber and realized the world is a better place without EK in their lives? Let it continue!
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In the latest Rumour Buster LL (Airbus Fleet Manager) says only 18 this year.
Is that:
This financial year?
Only on the Airbus fleet?
Pay + profit share is due in the bank in the next 48 hours, should be interesting to see what happens later in the week
Is that:
This financial year?
Only on the Airbus fleet?
Pay + profit share is due in the bank in the next 48 hours, should be interesting to see what happens later in the week
Had to chuckle at the reasons given for leaving given by LL. Heard about spin, sheesh...
Heard about 2 more going myself yesterday, not resigned yet, but just waiting for firm start dates elsewhere
EGGW.
Heard about 2 more going myself yesterday, not resigned yet, but just waiting for firm start dates elsewhere
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There is a new group of DECs on the 310. I don't think that is news though. It would be news if there were some on the 330 or 777.
The increasing resignations is really only a factor of how long it takes to make the move. We are only just now starting to see the result of decisions made over a year ago.
TP
The increasing resignations is really only a factor of how long it takes to make the move. We are only just now starting to see the result of decisions made over a year ago.
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By Gosh! What a load of Tosh!
Given the EK resignation rate fantasized about by some over the last few months/years, its surprising that by now there's any pilots left at Emirates.
Not until the indomitable White Knight tucks his little game under his arm and walks away is it time to leave Emirates.
Given the EK resignation rate fantasized about by some over the last few months/years, its surprising that by now there's any pilots left at Emirates.
Not until the indomitable White Knight tucks his little game under his arm and walks away is it time to leave Emirates.
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Bird On, live with the decision you made to leave here a few years back, and start looking forwards, not backwards. However, if it is so much better here than down there, ask if you can come back. I'm sure management will offer you special treatment! And if you are simply worried about your former colleagues getting jobs ahead of you at the new international ops in oz, well then that's aviation; it's all in the timing.
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