EK ED: Put up or shut up... (The soggy sandwich thread)
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: expat
Posts: 129
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ahhh...slightly twisted logic there MR8; while the cost to the company is higher, a pilot with children in school does not actually receive any financial advantage as this "allowance" goes straight in to the schools account. I suppose you could argue that a private education is some sort of quantifiable advantage, however (where I come from at least) the state provides a very good education for free.
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: up front, to the right
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Speaking of unfair....those of us who have the U.S. as our ALD are not eligible for the Exchange Rate Program. I am doing the exact same job as the Euro or Pound guy...yet they get an extra 2,000 or 2,500 dhs a month more than me. That's a load of horses**t.
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Raincoast
Posts: 215
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
homer... 
ERP is not that high. I got 1300 Dhs on my Feb pay. That's not very much in real terms.
Is this news to you? Did you not know this before coming to EK? Did you not read pprune to find out about this stuff before signing on? Did you think it was not true? Whom, precisely, is responsible here?
k-o-t-s
ERP is not that high. I got 1300 Dhs on my Feb pay. That's not very much in real terms.
Is this news to you? Did you not know this before coming to EK? Did you not read pprune to find out about this stuff before signing on? Did you think it was not true? Whom, precisely, is responsible here?
k-o-t-s
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: usa
Posts: 66
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ERP
The ERP is pure bunk. When the dollar is strong you get a pay raise. So the pilots from countries not tied to the dollar get more money when they send their salaries home.
When the $ is weak like it is now the same pilots get ERP and that amount is significant. Whatever the amount is it is more than pilots from dollar pegged currencies are getting.
So as you can see these same pilots get a double bonus. Either way the dollar goes they make more than pilots from US currencies.
We all live in Dubai, we all work for Emirates but as you can see some pilots make more than others through circumstances of where they reside or are from.
The accomadation allowance and education is a complete and separate issue. If you have kids it was probably a free choice and now we have to pay for them. Most would conclude that the joy far outweighs the cost at any level. The bottom line is that the education does not even come close to "making extra money" on the education allowance so it is a expense that we have to cover each year and not extra money.
The accomadation allowance also does not come close to covering your expenses. So again you are dipping into your pocket to live. It is not and should not be included as "income."
When the $ is weak like it is now the same pilots get ERP and that amount is significant. Whatever the amount is it is more than pilots from dollar pegged currencies are getting.
So as you can see these same pilots get a double bonus. Either way the dollar goes they make more than pilots from US currencies.
We all live in Dubai, we all work for Emirates but as you can see some pilots make more than others through circumstances of where they reside or are from.
The accomadation allowance and education is a complete and separate issue. If you have kids it was probably a free choice and now we have to pay for them. Most would conclude that the joy far outweighs the cost at any level. The bottom line is that the education does not even come close to "making extra money" on the education allowance so it is a expense that we have to cover each year and not extra money.
The accomadation allowance also does not come close to covering your expenses. So again you are dipping into your pocket to live. It is not and should not be included as "income."
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Bolivia
Posts: 434
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MR8
Extremely well spoken. It will come as no surprise to anyone why you are still single. Have you ever thought of running that thought past your latest girlfriend. No? Didn't think so. Good Luck!
V
V
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: up front, to the right
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
k.o.t.s.,
I was well aware of the ERP when I joined....that's not my gripe. I think it's a bunch of bull that you get extra money just because.
Awwwww....you only got 1300 dhs extra in your pay...I got extra dhs 0 in my pay. Hey, if it's not much in real terms, go ahead and deposit it in my bank account, I'll pm you the details. It's real to me.
You guys get extra money and STILL bitch about it.
Whatever.
I was well aware of the ERP when I joined....that's not my gripe. I think it's a bunch of bull that you get extra money just because.
Awwwww....you only got 1300 dhs extra in your pay...I got extra dhs 0 in my pay. Hey, if it's not much in real terms, go ahead and deposit it in my bank account, I'll pm you the details. It's real to me.
You guys get extra money and STILL bitch about it.
Whatever.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: In the State of Perpetual Confusion
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The ERP is a dual edged sword. For those from countries with currencies stronger than the dollar (pretty much everyone these days), you have taken a pretty strong hit against your home currency that the ERP does not completely cover. It was a condition on joining and I don't begrudge you that. On the other hand, a pilot of my seniority from the UK is receiving approximately Dh3000 per month extra in ERP. We both live in the same place, have approximately the same living expenses etc., yet he is making more. Then again, I'm not taking the hit compared with my home currency that he is. It was a condition when I signed on so I can't complain too much.
The company is benefitting from all this in two ways: first, we're now turning on each other rather than directing our ire where it belongs, and second, most of the companies receipts are in non-dollar based currencies which actually benefits their dollar based bottom line. A bottom line that they seem less and less willing to share with their employees.
The company is benefitting from all this in two ways: first, we're now turning on each other rather than directing our ire where it belongs, and second, most of the companies receipts are in non-dollar based currencies which actually benefits their dollar based bottom line. A bottom line that they seem less and less willing to share with their employees.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Building Site
Posts: 293
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Vorsicht,
Thought you'd recognize a tongue in cheek reply when you see one... Apparently not. (dressed it up with enough smileys to make it clear though..)You must be very bitter and frustrated: might be better if you send your wife over to my place for a good .. ... euh... time.. lol 
Everybody can complain about some stuff. Fact is, all that you guys are wingeing about, are things you KNEW when you came here, ERP, educational or living-out allowances...
ERP, is complete BS. Not even worth mentioning.
Educational: even in the western world you will have to pay for schooling, maybe not as much as here, but it will cost something. Nothing wrong with the educational allowance, apart from 1 thing: why only 3 kids?? The 4th doesn't need education?
Living-out allowance: enough said about that already
...
Get a grip guys, go out more and enjoy the weather this time of year. Keep some of the frustrations for summertime..
MR8
Thought you'd recognize a tongue in cheek reply when you see one... Apparently not. (dressed it up with enough smileys to make it clear though..)You must be very bitter and frustrated: might be better if you send your wife over to my place for a good ..
... euh... time.. lol Everybody can complain about some stuff. Fact is, all that you guys are wingeing about, are things you KNEW when you came here, ERP, educational or living-out allowances...
ERP, is complete BS. Not even worth mentioning.
Educational: even in the western world you will have to pay for schooling, maybe not as much as here, but it will cost something. Nothing wrong with the educational allowance, apart from 1 thing: why only 3 kids?? The 4th doesn't need education?
Living-out allowance: enough said about that already
...
Get a grip guys, go out more and enjoy the weather this time of year. Keep some of the frustrations for summertime..
MR8
