Death's during long-haul flight study
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Well its as close as we are going to proof that 900 hours a year of 'back of the clock flying' is not good for us. I know the first reaction our managers will come up with is, well you are obviously not mice, so the study has no validity.......
Ref: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20975449-2,00.html
A STUDY that exposed elderly mice to the ravages of regular long-haul flights found most of them died.
The University of Virginia study showed a majority of older mice died while being subjected to the equivalent of a Washington to Paris flight once a week for eight weeks, The Washington Post reported today.
More intense forms of jet lag sped up the death rate in the elderly rodents, the study found.
Experts say the study is one of the first hard scientific looks into the health effects of jet lag.
Younger mice seemed to rebound more quickly and were not immediately harmed by the jet lag. Simulated jet lag conditions were created by advancing and delaying the rodent's exposure to light.
But researchers aren't sure what conclusions to draw from the results, the newspaper said.
Gene Block, the report's co-author, said older mice might be more susceptible to sudden light changes than younger mice. Or, he said, jet lag might be a health problem that builds up in younger subjects, causing future maladies.
To further explore the issue, his researchers have launched another set of tests to determine whether jet lag causes long-term health consequences in younger and middle-age rodents, Mr Block said.
Mr Block's study also hinted at what flyer's have been saying for years - it's more difficult to adjust to time zone changes when flying east.
The researchers found 53 per cent of elderly mice died when they were subjected to a simulated weekly flight from Washington to Paris over the eight-week study.
The death rate dropped to 32 per cent of elderly mice on a simulated Paris to Washington route, according to the study, which was published last month in the journal Current Biology.
Seventeen per cent of the mice in a control group died in the eight-week study.
The University of Virginia study showed a majority of older mice died while being subjected to the equivalent of a Washington to Paris flight once a week for eight weeks, The Washington Post reported today.
More intense forms of jet lag sped up the death rate in the elderly rodents, the study found.
Experts say the study is one of the first hard scientific looks into the health effects of jet lag.
Younger mice seemed to rebound more quickly and were not immediately harmed by the jet lag. Simulated jet lag conditions were created by advancing and delaying the rodent's exposure to light.
But researchers aren't sure what conclusions to draw from the results, the newspaper said.
Gene Block, the report's co-author, said older mice might be more susceptible to sudden light changes than younger mice. Or, he said, jet lag might be a health problem that builds up in younger subjects, causing future maladies.
To further explore the issue, his researchers have launched another set of tests to determine whether jet lag causes long-term health consequences in younger and middle-age rodents, Mr Block said.
Mr Block's study also hinted at what flyer's have been saying for years - it's more difficult to adjust to time zone changes when flying east.
The researchers found 53 per cent of elderly mice died when they were subjected to a simulated weekly flight from Washington to Paris over the eight-week study.
The death rate dropped to 32 per cent of elderly mice on a simulated Paris to Washington route, according to the study, which was published last month in the journal Current Biology.
Seventeen per cent of the mice in a control group died in the eight-week study.
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In the days of the GF L1011 rosters I flew two highly regarded Harley Street cardologists to AUH they were to review the cardiac health of the ruler of Auh.
They asked me for a copy of my GF Captains flying roster for the 28days and a view of my log book.
I had then been flying 10 years with GF.
They remarked on returning both documents to me "A lot of premature mortality there."
Note and go figure what they might say about your 900hrs a year....I was flying 500 to 600 hours only per year at the time.
They asked me for a copy of my GF Captains flying roster for the 28days and a view of my log book.
I had then been flying 10 years with GF.
They remarked on returning both documents to me "A lot of premature mortality there."
Note and go figure what they might say about your 900hrs a year....I was flying 500 to 600 hours only per year at the time.
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As long as they can get 10 to 15 years productivity out of you do you really think anybody from modern business aviation school really gives a toss about our well being.
10 years at 900 hours a year then drop dead is good news for the new breed. they still get 9000 hours outta you but only pay you up to a 7 year captain by then they are praying and hoping you drop dead or leave!!On the other hand 600 hours a year or 15 years of service and a clean bill of health can only be bad in the eyes of the FEW!!
Makes perfect business sense to kill us off as early as possible but get the hours outta them while they can AND save on those pesky wages!!
However if we do not work days off or crew flights for 400 dhs,flights go uncrewed which puts pressure on the FEW to maybe look at their practices a little closer and maybe realise that if they want to kill us off early they will have to pay us a little more for it!!
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10 years at 900 hours a year then drop dead is good news for the new breed. they still get 9000 hours outta you but only pay you up to a 7 year captain by then they are praying and hoping you drop dead or leave!!On the other hand 600 hours a year or 15 years of service and a clean bill of health can only be bad in the eyes of the FEW!!Makes perfect business sense to kill us off as early as possible but get the hours outta them while they can AND save on those pesky wages!!
However if we do not work days off or crew flights for 400 dhs,flights go uncrewed which puts pressure on the FEW to maybe look at their practices a little closer and maybe realise that if they want to kill us off early they will have to pay us a little more for it!!
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More Smoke and Mirrors
Next time you are in the EK clinic doing your medical ask the Doc when do they expect all these problems to surface given that EK have only been doing the Long Haul Flights for a couple of years?
The Remaining or should I say Resident Dr specializing in Fatigue Dr A.H will tell you they expect it will be 10 years before all these chickens come back to roost.
The latest company Fleet Facts Newsletter for December spells it out very clearly for the Boeing Boys on the 200LR in case you missed this gem
Given that the present FRMS Group ( Fatigue Risk Management System Committee )
I am sceptical over this arrangement given the committee head and the company have commercial interests ruling the roost with lots of smoke and mirrors and noise saying else wise.
We have record number of guys rostering off sick for the first time in EK History considerable yet un published numbers of crew clocking off for Fatigue.
How about some transparency and publish these figures instead of telling us that 4 crew were confirmed with Falciparum Malaria since jan 2004?
I will bet my left one that I have more chance of falling off the perch from Fatigue Related Issues complicated by ongoing rostering issues than being bitten by an angry Mosquito with Malaria in Africa.
I do not need a University Study or the company Fleet Newsletter to tell me what all of us Long Haul Pilots all ready know. Flying Further and Longer Hours Will Only shorten your life span.
But look on the bright side at least Emirates will be able to announce another record breaking profit year and you will be able proudly state that yes I have done my 900 hours flying for the year and my salary is still tied to the US $
Bugger...The UAE Central Bank governor has announced that the government will begin increasing its holding of euros from two per cent to 10 per cent
Read here if your interested
The Remaining or should I say Resident Dr specializing in Fatigue Dr A.H will tell you they expect it will be 10 years before all these chickens come back to roost.
The latest company Fleet Facts Newsletter for December spells it out very clearly for the Boeing Boys on the 200LR in case you missed this gem
Flight Ops has begun working to design, develop and obtain regulator approval for a new ULR operating plan that will allow flights in excess of the current SLR limit of 16 hours
is charged by the GCAA with the general oversight and management of the safety and fatigue issues
We have record number of guys rostering off sick for the first time in EK History considerable yet un published numbers of crew clocking off for Fatigue.
How about some transparency and publish these figures instead of telling us that 4 crew were confirmed with Falciparum Malaria since jan 2004?
I will bet my left one that I have more chance of falling off the perch from Fatigue Related Issues complicated by ongoing rostering issues than being bitten by an angry Mosquito with Malaria in Africa.
I do not need a University Study or the company Fleet Newsletter to tell me what all of us Long Haul Pilots all ready know. Flying Further and Longer Hours Will Only shorten your life span.
But look on the bright side at least Emirates will be able to announce another record breaking profit year and you will be able proudly state that yes I have done my 900 hours flying for the year and my salary is still tied to the US $
Bugger...The UAE Central Bank governor has announced that the government will begin increasing its holding of euros from two per cent to 10 per cent
Read here if your interested
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Yes I love the latest news letter. Particularly where the manager in charge of the FRMS infers that fatigue is OUR fault because we drink alcohol and don't sleep enough 
Nothing to do with the company's nefarious rostering practices, working us to the limit, crappy noisy hotels and living with a 24 hour building site in your back garden.
So if you are tired, its your fault, if you get Malaria, its your fault, if you run out of fuel, its your fault (OK that one is, but you get my point)
IS THAT CLEAR
Nothing to do with the company's nefarious rostering practices, working us to the limit, crappy noisy hotels and living with a 24 hour building site in your back garden.So if you are tired, its your fault, if you get Malaria, its your fault, if you run out of fuel, its your fault (OK that one is, but you get my point)
IS THAT CLEAR
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No, is was not, I believe (although am not full conversant with the details) in her case it was nothing to do with Malaria, lovely girl, really sad loss though.
It was directed at the general thrust of the Company Pravda, where the organisation increasingly thinks that any threats or problems are the responsibility of the individual and not the organization
It was directed at the general thrust of the Company Pravda, where the organisation increasingly thinks that any threats or problems are the responsibility of the individual and not the organization
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KH seperate issue than what you are refering to however the clinic mis diagnosed and confused the common cold/ flu with Malaria despite the crew member insistance she had operated to Africa sent her home with Asprin /panadol a couple of times despite her protests...crew member ended up in Hospital Seriously ill with Malaria...hence the company sending out glossy letter and including the subject yet again in the Dec monthly newsletter.....
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violate the cabin crew Im talking about made a full recovery AFTER being being told to run along home and later come stagering in again to the clinic and being taken to hospital...welcome to Dubai
