EK payrise - finally?
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From: Land of NI
Listen guys there is NO 30 percent payrise this year!!
Now if there was well this would just be a warning of pending income tax implementation at say 15 to 20 percent! giving you a net 10 percent pay rise.They do not give money away for nuthn you know!!
FORGET this JAN payrise fantasy!!
Now if there was well this would just be a warning of pending income tax implementation at say 15 to 20 percent! giving you a net 10 percent pay rise.They do not give money away for nuthn you know!!
FORGET this JAN payrise fantasy!!
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From: Dubai, U.A.E.
Well! They are going to have to do some "magic'' to first of all keep more pilots from leaving. This is now more of a priority than recruiting, because they are out of time!! Plain and simple.
The time it takes to recruit, train and pass someone on the line is approx. 6 months.
And 30%? That is for chewing gum money!! Anything less than 50% is too little. Plain and simple.
Retain your pilots Emirates! And in turn, we all know at least 3 pilots each somewhere on this planet, that we can convince to apply.
Happy Holidays
And Yes, Keep Recovering.
As usual, Check Six
The time it takes to recruit, train and pass someone on the line is approx. 6 months.
And 30%? That is for chewing gum money!! Anything less than 50% is too little. Plain and simple.
Retain your pilots Emirates! And in turn, we all know at least 3 pilots each somewhere on this planet, that we can convince to apply.
Happy Holidays
And Yes, Keep Recovering.
As usual, Check Six
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From: Dunesville
Agreed TA. Any action, if any, will be far too late for those already gone and those in transit. It's really too little too late.
It was a bit rich of TC to blame Airbus for stunting EKs growth when the real problem is the pilots to fly them.
Anyway, even if the 380 was on time where would it have parked? The terminal isn't ready and the couple of stands that are ready wouldn't have coped...
If you look at the resignations so far they mainly come from those countries hit hardest by the demise of the $. Any attempt at retaining those left needs to focus on a credible exchange rate system that actually protects and one that is link to the provident fund. Without this any pay rise would erode away as before and mainly benefit those from $ based countries.
It was a bit rich of TC to blame Airbus for stunting EKs growth when the real problem is the pilots to fly them.
Anyway, even if the 380 was on time where would it have parked? The terminal isn't ready and the couple of stands that are ready wouldn't have coped...
If you look at the resignations so far they mainly come from those countries hit hardest by the demise of the $. Any attempt at retaining those left needs to focus on a credible exchange rate system that actually protects and one that is link to the provident fund. Without this any pay rise would erode away as before and mainly benefit those from $ based countries.
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From: Jew-Buy Mate
Recruitment solutions
Instead of a payrise I think the manpower solution will go something like this. In fact in fact I think it already has already has.
http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilber...0543061226.gif
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I have a constant battle to spend all my money before I am paid again. Diet might include some meat if the pay increase rumour is true!
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From: the world
The Dilbert thread
Marooned said -
AAAh but that is typically EK isn't it? 
Always find someone else to blame - never, ever accept that your own incompetence and myopia is the real cause.
Dilbert's pointy-haired boss would be proud.
It was a bit rich of TC to blame Airbus
Always find someone else to blame - never, ever accept that your own incompetence and myopia is the real cause.Dilbert's pointy-haired boss would be proud.
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From: charleroi
So what happened to the other eight?
Have they collectively withdrawn their resignations?
Is this an outbreak of improving morale?
Or is this just the old management trick of hiding the truth to save EKs face?
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From: Melbourne
Jeees...
You guys... You crack me up. I guess this all points to two facts:
1) Pilots are like whinging women - gossiping it what we do best! We can't wait to jump on and spread ANY rumor that comes along.
2) Things in EK are so bad now that guys (and gals!) have competely lost their sense of humor...
The 0,30% thing was actually a joke. The rest however was a confirmed, class A rumor. Not only that. At the training meeting ED openly admitted their problems and confirmed the management team has come up with a four pronged solution to alleviate the immediate problem of people leaving:
1) Increased remuneration to trainers
2) Substantially increased pay. No ammount or percentage mentioned. However comments about the "normal" 2-3% we get in May was declined. This time it would be substantial.
3) Availability to use jump seats again. They have realized people want to commute.
4) A look into basings. This is a political issue that will take some time to evaluate.
These points have been evaluated with the management team in Flt Ops and put forward to top management, awaiting a quick response. (Yes I know...) However AAR is in on this, and it's to be evaluated above him at present.
Guys, let's sit back and wait this one out for a little while. It will not happen Jan 1st, but it is probably not far away. Don't think I am referring from the meeting per se, but this comes from several of our top trainers that was actually there. I competely trust these fellows and don't mean to spread unsubstantiated rumors. These are facts as they have been delivered by ED at the meeting in an uncandid way.
I for one hope they have been able to put their case forward to TC and the board in such a way that they have finally realized the sh.. they're in. As some of you have said, it might even be to late...
Birdieonfirst
1) Pilots are like whinging women - gossiping it what we do best! We can't wait to jump on and spread ANY rumor that comes along.
2) Things in EK are so bad now that guys (and gals!) have competely lost their sense of humor...
The 0,30% thing was actually a joke. The rest however was a confirmed, class A rumor. Not only that. At the training meeting ED openly admitted their problems and confirmed the management team has come up with a four pronged solution to alleviate the immediate problem of people leaving:
1) Increased remuneration to trainers
2) Substantially increased pay. No ammount or percentage mentioned. However comments about the "normal" 2-3% we get in May was declined. This time it would be substantial.
3) Availability to use jump seats again. They have realized people want to commute.
4) A look into basings. This is a political issue that will take some time to evaluate.
These points have been evaluated with the management team in Flt Ops and put forward to top management, awaiting a quick response. (Yes I know...) However AAR is in on this, and it's to be evaluated above him at present.
Guys, let's sit back and wait this one out for a little while. It will not happen Jan 1st, but it is probably not far away. Don't think I am referring from the meeting per se, but this comes from several of our top trainers that was actually there. I competely trust these fellows and don't mean to spread unsubstantiated rumors. These are facts as they have been delivered by ED at the meeting in an uncandid way.
I for one hope they have been able to put their case forward to TC and the board in such a way that they have finally realized the sh.. they're in. As some of you have said, it might even be to late...
Birdieonfirst
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From: Bit nosey aren't you
How will the use of jumpseats help commuters? Most of the guys I know that commute go to Aus. Will they have a jumpseat sit on knee policy coz the 345 cockpit is full most of the time anyway.
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From: Bolivia
I think this will be a great lesson for ED to keep his stupid mouth shut until he knows more. The jump seat has already been binned apparently. Made it to TC's desk and he gave it the same treatment that he has every other time an overly optimistic middle manager who thinks he actually has some influence has raised the issue.
As for a substantial payrise, sure he probably has a grand proposal, given that he comes from a culture where that sort of thing happens regularly. Will he get it through here. Yeah, I'm sure something will flow through in May. Will it be substantial? Probably, substantially reduced from whatever was proposed.
I for one am not holding my breath for anything significant. As anyone who has been here more than 5 or 6 years will tell you, we've heard it all before.
V
As for a substantial payrise, sure he probably has a grand proposal, given that he comes from a culture where that sort of thing happens regularly. Will he get it through here. Yeah, I'm sure something will flow through in May. Will it be substantial? Probably, substantially reduced from whatever was proposed.
I for one am not holding my breath for anything significant. As anyone who has been here more than 5 or 6 years will tell you, we've heard it all before.
V
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From: Bolivia
Less allowances
As further evidence of the companies commitment to its people, both Frankfurt and Bangkok have just had the crew meal allowance reduced.
EK managment must be laughing their heads off at how they can continually reduce costs without having to face any real backlash from those whose money they are taking.
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EK managment must be laughing their heads off at how they can continually reduce costs without having to face any real backlash from those whose money they are taking.
V
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From: charleroi
Have no doubt that EK will continue to pay as little as possible for as much work as can be extracted (standby for the 1000hr FTL) and from the accountants point of view this makes perfect sense.
Any potential for meltdown has been deferred by the non appearance of the 380.
Talking up by Ed is likely to be bluster and is unlikely to be followed by any meaningful action.
Standby for.........no change at EK.
(Do the trainers really need more remuneration? Seems that everybody and their dog is joining training right now. And no wonder. Saw one training roster for December, 14 rostered days off in the month including one block of four days and another block of five days off over the 25th, no leave taken.)
Any potential for meltdown has been deferred by the non appearance of the 380.
Talking up by Ed is likely to be bluster and is unlikely to be followed by any meaningful action.
Standby for.........no change at EK.
(Do the trainers really need more remuneration? Seems that everybody and their dog is joining training right now. And no wonder. Saw one training roster for December, 14 rostered days off in the month including one block of four days and another block of five days off over the 25th, no leave taken.)
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From: uae
I should think that once the (smokescreen masquerading as) the operational plan for 2007, posted on crew portal yesterday is read by the 'bus F/O's awaiting command the RG list will be added to considerably.....