Saudi getting A330s???
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An LCC division would make sense to me. They already have a subfleet of all-economy configured aircraft, they might as well utilise them better. The only danger is it might canabalise the full service operation's market.
In general, I think al-Mulhim is making the right noises, but he'll have a battle in his hands regarding the workforce (he stated an aim to reduce the workforce by nearly a third).
In general, I think al-Mulhim is making the right noises, but he'll have a battle in his hands regarding the workforce (he stated an aim to reduce the workforce by nearly a third).
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As I have been told in reference to Gulf Traveler: There are no low cost airlines in the ME only lower priced (e.g. fare) airlines.
The can slap a new paintjob and change the uniform a little be to justify keeping fares high in other markets, but its still the same airline.
The can slap a new paintjob and change the uniform a little be to justify keeping fares high in other markets, but its still the same airline.
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SVA has its hands full with privatization..... give them a year to sort out the various sections of the airline and to find an immediate fleet and who knows... you might see a proper LCC in 2009......
I'm guessing that SAMA and NAS will be granted the new operators licences at the end of the year, with Al-Khayala operating their VIP service and another B747-400 operator, 2007 will be an interesting year for Saudi aviation
Mutt
I'm guessing that SAMA and NAS will be granted the new operators licences at the end of the year, with Al-Khayala operating their VIP service and another B747-400 operator, 2007 will be an interesting year for Saudi aviation
Mutt
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SVA has its hands full with privatization..... give them a year to sort out the various sections of the airline and to find an immediate fleet and who knows... you might see a proper LCC in 2009......
I'm guessing that SAMA and NAS will be granted the new operators licences at the end of the year, with Al-Khayala operating their VIP service and another B747-400 operator, 2007 will be an interesting year for Saudi aviation
Mutt
I'm guessing that SAMA and NAS will be granted the new operators licences at the end of the year, with Al-Khayala operating their VIP service and another B747-400 operator, 2007 will be an interesting year for Saudi aviation
Mutt
Can you shed any light on this?
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It's Easyjet. They actually released this press statement back in August, but for some reason it has been virtually unnoticed here on PPRUNE
( http://www.easyjet.com/en/investor/e...portunity.html )
Evaluation of franchise opportunity
easyJet announced today that it is evaluating an opportunity to franchise its brand following a recent joint approach by Jeddah based National Air Services (NAS) and Dubai-based Abraaj Capital, the major private equity firm in the Middle East, to use the easyJet name in the Arabian Gulf. NAS is applying for a licence to operate domestic flights initially in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and at a later date other flights within the Arabian Gulf - a region with minimal low-cost airline penetration.
The decision on whether to progress with this opportunity, which will not involve easyJet investing any equity or cash, will be made in conjunction with NAS and will depend on the progress of its application for a licence, the completion of an agreement in a form satisfactory to the Board of easyJet; and the delivery of significant shareholder value. Since it is expected that this will take the remainder of 2006, a decision in relation to this opportunity is unlikely before early 2007.
Who is this mysterious agency with the Saudia contract?
( http://www.easyjet.com/en/investor/e...portunity.html )
Evaluation of franchise opportunity
easyJet announced today that it is evaluating an opportunity to franchise its brand following a recent joint approach by Jeddah based National Air Services (NAS) and Dubai-based Abraaj Capital, the major private equity firm in the Middle East, to use the easyJet name in the Arabian Gulf. NAS is applying for a licence to operate domestic flights initially in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and at a later date other flights within the Arabian Gulf - a region with minimal low-cost airline penetration.
The decision on whether to progress with this opportunity, which will not involve easyJet investing any equity or cash, will be made in conjunction with NAS and will depend on the progress of its application for a licence, the completion of an agreement in a form satisfactory to the Board of easyJet; and the delivery of significant shareholder value. Since it is expected that this will take the remainder of 2006, a decision in relation to this opportunity is unlikely before early 2007.
Who is this mysterious agency with the Saudia contract?
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NAS' approach to Easyjet was mentioned in the Sama threads. We'll have to see if Stelios bites, but the biggest hurdle (the licence) is passed.
Back to the main topic, Saudia sure is taking it's time in deciding the future of it's fleet. I was kind of hoping to hear an announcement before the end of the year.
Back to the main topic, Saudia sure is taking it's time in deciding the future of it's fleet. I was kind of hoping to hear an announcement before the end of the year.
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According to Pinoy news sources, a Saudi based airline call "Tair airways" is going to start operating Clark-Riyadh-Jeddah flights in 2007, using a 744.
Is this who you mean?
Anyone heard of "Tair"? Do they mean Tayyar?
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Tair is Philippine carrier ...
Tair Airway has go-signal to operate in Clark airport
The Civil Aeronautics Board has approved the petition of new foreign budget airline Tair Airways to operate in Clark International Airport.
Porvenir Porciuncula, CAB deputy executive director, said Tair Airway will fly three times a week from Clark-Riyadh-Jeddah using B747-400 plane by January next year.
Porciuncula said the airline is set to acquire new planes in Japan. Tiger Airways and Air Asia make two flights each to Clark daily. Air Asia flies to Macau once daily. These budget airlines comprised more than half of the average 46 flights weekly to Clark.
The low-cost carriers’ began flying in the country in April, when the government open the Clark International Airport for the low-budget airlines.
The liberalization of air policy is part of the policy framework to promote tourism under the Arroyo administration’s Medium Term Development Plan for 2004 to 2010. DG Amojelar, The Manila Times
Tair Airway has go-signal to operate in Clark airport
The Civil Aeronautics Board has approved the petition of new foreign budget airline Tair Airways to operate in Clark International Airport.
Porvenir Porciuncula, CAB deputy executive director, said Tair Airway will fly three times a week from Clark-Riyadh-Jeddah using B747-400 plane by January next year.
Porciuncula said the airline is set to acquire new planes in Japan. Tiger Airways and Air Asia make two flights each to Clark daily. Air Asia flies to Macau once daily. These budget airlines comprised more than half of the average 46 flights weekly to Clark.
The low-cost carriers’ began flying in the country in April, when the government open the Clark International Airport for the low-budget airlines.
The liberalization of air policy is part of the policy framework to promote tourism under the Arroyo administration’s Medium Term Development Plan for 2004 to 2010. DG Amojelar, The Manila Times
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Tair Airways
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According to the media, SV is looking to order 60 widebodies
at a cost of $12 Billion.
Any guesses?
I see:
25x A330 (interim aircraft)
20x 787-3/8
10x A350-900
5x A350-1000
Do they need that many widebodies though?
at a cost of $12 Billion.
Any guesses?
I see:
25x A330 (interim aircraft)
20x 787-3/8
10x A350-900
5x A350-1000
Do they need that many widebodies though?
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From: ME
10x A350-900
5x A350-1000
5x A350-1000
Where did you read about 60 aircraft?
Mutt
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Hi mutt,
Sure, Airbus have all to prove. But they're still a top plane maker and can't be discounted. Plus they will be desperate for more orders so they might be willing to offer a better deal than Boeing.
Regarding the 60 figure, this is the article: http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Doc...B4B&doc_page=1
Needs a huge pinch of salt though.
Sure, Airbus have all to prove. But they're still a top plane maker and can't be discounted. Plus they will be desperate for more orders so they might be willing to offer a better deal than Boeing.
Regarding the 60 figure, this is the article: http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Doc...B4B&doc_page=1
Needs a huge pinch of salt though.
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whats the timetable for 741/3 retirement?
any chances for 744?
kinda sad to see the MD-90's going.......ahh well...if they come up with a better winglet design than the one in current use, 330s and 738s will be worth seeing.......
any chances for 744?
kinda sad to see the MD-90's going.......ahh well...if they come up with a better winglet design than the one in current use, 330s and 738s will be worth seeing.......
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1st B741 will be retired next month, 2nd later in the year.
Last A300 to be retired by April/May.
B744 would be a good interim choice especially as they have sufficient crews qualified on that aircraft.
MD90... who said they were going anywhere??? It wasnt Mr Boeing
Fools, Reuters had an article yesterday that stated the Business Online article was incorrect.... Gotta love this part of the world.
As for Airbus, sometimes its not the deal but the credibility… Airbus presently have NONE! But hey, its all down to who has the biggest Wasta
Mutt
Last A300 to be retired by April/May.
B744 would be a good interim choice especially as they have sufficient crews qualified on that aircraft.
MD90... who said they were going anywhere??? It wasnt Mr Boeing
Fools, Reuters had an article yesterday that stated the Business Online article was incorrect.... Gotta love this part of the world.
As for Airbus, sometimes its not the deal but the credibility… Airbus presently have NONE! But hey, its all down to who has the biggest Wasta
Mutt
Sims Fly Virtually
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From: Used to be 3rd Sand Dune from the Left - But now I'm somewhere else somewhere else.
from earlier link -
Maybe they mean that employers of low-income expats will go for this. Employees, especially low-income Asian ones, only get to travel home every 2 years (if that!) because the employer pays the tab.
Another way that some employers can cut their costs by adding to the misery of their staff (low seat-pitch and seats stacked above each other
?)
By offering the new service, Saudia is targeting some four to five million expatriate workers who earn low salaries and cannot afford to pay their tickets to their home countries except once in two years.
Another way that some employers can cut their costs by adding to the misery of their staff (low seat-pitch and seats stacked above each other
?)
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I thought these workers went home every 5 years...and the way they're treated at the airport....totally disgusting.....