Airline situations in the ME region...
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Airline situations in the ME region...
All I’ve seen so far on these forums are complains about all the airlines in the region, I mean don’t get me wrong with no offense to anyone, why doesn’t anyone do something about it.
I take my self for example if I’m not happy with the situation I’m in I just leave. The strange thing I seem to notice is that most of you give people bad advice about coming to the region and you are still in it. Isn’t that a bit hypocrite?
Granted living expenses and everything has gone up. But still with all that I think that most are living a better life in some aspects than being in other places. And for those who say they are not, let me see some actions and not just words.
Just from my end and please I really mean no offense to anyone so no one gets me wrong, that this place has given me a chance when things in my country have been going downhill so the least I can do is be thankful.
Anyways I’m sure most share different opinions and views. So let’s hear them…
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I take my self for example if I’m not happy with the situation I’m in I just leave. The strange thing I seem to notice is that most of you give people bad advice about coming to the region and you are still in it. Isn’t that a bit hypocrite?
Granted living expenses and everything has gone up. But still with all that I think that most are living a better life in some aspects than being in other places. And for those who say they are not, let me see some actions and not just words.
Just from my end and please I really mean no offense to anyone so no one gets me wrong, that this place has given me a chance when things in my country have been going downhill so the least I can do is be thankful.
Anyways I’m sure most share different opinions and views. So let’s hear them…
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It's not as easy as saying things aren't going so well here so it's time to leave. It is a fact that it is far more difficult to leave than it is to come here in the first place.
Previous posters who have complained have indeed left and there are others to come...
As far as EK is concerned: Yes this place suits some people. I've flown with many Malaysians and, more recently, Brazilians and Bolivians that are happy enough. It is not suprising talking to them that the EK package is better than where they came from. If you came from a 737 and are given a DEC on a 777 with no route experince, well they're happy enough too. Of course there are many others content enough to stay or unable to leave.
On the other hand europeans/australasians as an example (who have been here longer and have much more experience of the ways EK), have seen the terms and conditions slide to levels where it is indeed time to move on. Make no mistake about it they ARE moving on. EK have lost more pilots over the past couple of years than at any time in their history (even taking into account natural attrition rates like retirements or sickness). There are more than enough posts on this and other forums to know the reasons why.
Don't get me wrong either 22, I am not happy and I am moving on. It just takes time to get out and to find the right job not just for me but also my family. The market is only just really picking up but there are jobs and more to come.
EK has a great many skilled and experienced pilots looking to fill new jobs away from EK and the ME.
Don't be naive 22, the hypocrites you mention are leaving.
Previous posters who have complained have indeed left and there are others to come...
As far as EK is concerned: Yes this place suits some people. I've flown with many Malaysians and, more recently, Brazilians and Bolivians that are happy enough. It is not suprising talking to them that the EK package is better than where they came from. If you came from a 737 and are given a DEC on a 777 with no route experince, well they're happy enough too. Of course there are many others content enough to stay or unable to leave.
On the other hand europeans/australasians as an example (who have been here longer and have much more experience of the ways EK), have seen the terms and conditions slide to levels where it is indeed time to move on. Make no mistake about it they ARE moving on. EK have lost more pilots over the past couple of years than at any time in their history (even taking into account natural attrition rates like retirements or sickness). There are more than enough posts on this and other forums to know the reasons why.
Don't get me wrong either 22, I am not happy and I am moving on. It just takes time to get out and to find the right job not just for me but also my family. The market is only just really picking up but there are jobs and more to come.
EK has a great many skilled and experienced pilots looking to fill new jobs away from EK and the ME.
Don't be naive 22, the hypocrites you mention are leaving.
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Like is said, was not meaning to offend anyone.
Maybe cause of my recent move to the region I’m still a bit short sighted on the situation.
I don’t agree with the entire DEC issue of recruiting guys with no former long haul experience into such positions.
I mean granted the situation here has its ups and downs, I personally think it’s still not as bad as everyone portrays it to be. But that just might be me.
It’s really a shame they don’t allow unions, I think that would solve most of the problems.
Marooned all the best in finding your right job.
Maybe cause of my recent move to the region I’m still a bit short sighted on the situation.
I don’t agree with the entire DEC issue of recruiting guys with no former long haul experience into such positions.
I mean granted the situation here has its ups and downs, I personally think it’s still not as bad as everyone portrays it to be. But that just might be me.
It’s really a shame they don’t allow unions, I think that would solve most of the problems.
Marooned all the best in finding your right job.
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Thanks Bus.
As far as unions are concerned I guess the best that could be considered is an independant pilots council to represent the views of the pilots. It worked with various effect in many UK airlines before unions were made more or less compulsory.
Again as far as EK is concerned: The problem is that currently the prevailing attitude of many towards our 'peers' is one of sceptisism and contempt. We have Ed and Al who are our official representatives to senior management. With these levels occupied by the likes of AAR and TC what chance do we have of addressing the many issues that face us?
So little has been achieved by them or their predecessors that there is little or no faith that things will change for our benefit now or at any time in the foreseeable future.
Granted, 'cost neutral' attempts are being made. Ed for example at EK is apparently going to go on tour soon with 'meet the pilot', a more cosy version of the pilots meetings we used to have at EK. Perhaps this will be more productive but I very much doubt it. It is little more than window dressing and we know it... for what can he really do? He has no effective power or authority much like Al... they are just filling the required posts and have no compulsion or intention to rock the dhow to help us... it's a few more feet on their retirement boats or an extra room on their villas in France. All they will offer us are empty promises to keep us on the line and all they will deliver will be disappointment all over again. After all they have no union to protect them either.
I really wish I was wrong but I have enough experience of EK inparticular to know better. Perhaps it is better elsewhere in the region but I get the impression that we all have a great deal in common, or should that be a bad deal?
As far as unions are concerned I guess the best that could be considered is an independant pilots council to represent the views of the pilots. It worked with various effect in many UK airlines before unions were made more or less compulsory.
Again as far as EK is concerned: The problem is that currently the prevailing attitude of many towards our 'peers' is one of sceptisism and contempt. We have Ed and Al who are our official representatives to senior management. With these levels occupied by the likes of AAR and TC what chance do we have of addressing the many issues that face us?
So little has been achieved by them or their predecessors that there is little or no faith that things will change for our benefit now or at any time in the foreseeable future.
Granted, 'cost neutral' attempts are being made. Ed for example at EK is apparently going to go on tour soon with 'meet the pilot', a more cosy version of the pilots meetings we used to have at EK. Perhaps this will be more productive but I very much doubt it. It is little more than window dressing and we know it... for what can he really do? He has no effective power or authority much like Al... they are just filling the required posts and have no compulsion or intention to rock the dhow to help us... it's a few more feet on their retirement boats or an extra room on their villas in France. All they will offer us are empty promises to keep us on the line and all they will deliver will be disappointment all over again. After all they have no union to protect them either.
I really wish I was wrong but I have enough experience of EK inparticular to know better. Perhaps it is better elsewhere in the region but I get the impression that we all have a great deal in common, or should that be a bad deal?
Last edited by Marooned; 5th Sep 2006 at 02:41.
