EK pay rates
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ALL IN DIRHAMS:
Basic - 20250 after the 10% inc.
+ 22 tel allowance
+ layover allowance negligible(unless no food or shopping)
+ overtime pay ( dhs325/hour in excess of 78)
= 20272
LESS every month:
- 3096 car loan
- 3600 monthly Budget(Wife and kids)
- 249 internet connections
- 100 EPC-Emirates pilot club monthly due
- 1012.5 retirement contributions
- 211 cable TV
- 238.33 Medical monthly premium
EQUALS:--------
Dhs. 11765.17 remaining / 3.68 to US$
less - Credit card payments
less - hobbies, sports,vises etc.
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Equals= xxxxxxx
Basic - 20250 after the 10% inc.
+ 22 tel allowance
+ layover allowance negligible(unless no food or shopping)
+ overtime pay ( dhs325/hour in excess of 78)
= 20272
LESS every month:
- 3096 car loan
- 3600 monthly Budget(Wife and kids)
- 249 internet connections
- 100 EPC-Emirates pilot club monthly due
- 1012.5 retirement contributions
- 211 cable TV
- 238.33 Medical monthly premium
EQUALS:--------
Dhs. 11765.17 remaining / 3.68 to US$
less - Credit card payments
less - hobbies, sports,vises etc.
--------------------------------------
Equals= xxxxxxx
Last edited by Cessna1052; 1st Jun 2006 at 07:37.
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Meh - not too bad based on above. I.e you'll survive OK
The question is - what is your premium on going expat? How much extra free cash flow a year over staying at home do you need? 500 US a month? 5000 US a month? 50 US a month? Everyone will have a differing level. For me it is about 40%, but I enjoy living abroad.
Other thing - free housing can be a mixed blessing. If you don't have the financial discipline to save what you would otherwise would have paid for mortgage repayments, you will end up saving less (mortgages are a good way of forcing people to save, who otherwise wouldn't...) Especially if property prices "at home" are going up.
The question is - what is your premium on going expat? How much extra free cash flow a year over staying at home do you need? 500 US a month? 5000 US a month? 50 US a month? Everyone will have a differing level. For me it is about 40%, but I enjoy living abroad.
Other thing - free housing can be a mixed blessing. If you don't have the financial discipline to save what you would otherwise would have paid for mortgage repayments, you will end up saving less (mortgages are a good way of forcing people to save, who otherwise wouldn't...) Especially if property prices "at home" are going up.
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All Considering re-locating to Dubai... Heed the warnings, they are very accurate.
I dont work for EK, but live in dubai working for another airline as a pilot.
If I were to move here today on my present T + C with a family, I would seriously regret it.
All my other collegues that moved here with families, have bailed and gone back home, I only stayed as I am single.
The cost of living and supporting a family here must be a nightmare. I really dont know how you guys do it, or how you can still survive.
This place is for a single guy, with no forign debt, free will thats it.
As someone put it, its a mining town, all your money spend in the company store, company mall, company pub...NO choices !! and funny how they all seem to be making record profits...
Heed the warnings, do your homework, dont get here and then tell your kids you made a mistake..think about it.
I dont work for EK, but live in dubai working for another airline as a pilot.
If I were to move here today on my present T + C with a family, I would seriously regret it.
All my other collegues that moved here with families, have bailed and gone back home, I only stayed as I am single.
The cost of living and supporting a family here must be a nightmare. I really dont know how you guys do it, or how you can still survive.
This place is for a single guy, with no forign debt, free will thats it.
As someone put it, its a mining town, all your money spend in the company store, company mall, company pub...NO choices !! and funny how they all seem to be making record profits...
Heed the warnings, do your homework, dont get here and then tell your kids you made a mistake..think about it.
3600 dhs for wife and kids ???? Let me know where yoü shop....I spend almost three times that...
We tried a weekly budget of 1000 for food etc, we are now up to 1500 a week and that just covers it...also cost for maid, wifes shopping and school fees take that up to ........ 9000 and then you have provident fund,car loan, credit card billls, bills from back home, and all the other stuff 1052 mentioned.
You may think you spend 3600 pm, but try adding it up honestly at the end of the month, prepare for a shock...
We tried a weekly budget of 1000 for food etc, we are now up to 1500 a week and that just covers it...also cost for maid, wifes shopping and school fees take that up to ........ 9000 and then you have provident fund,car loan, credit card billls, bills from back home, and all the other stuff 1052 mentioned.
You may think you spend 3600 pm, but try adding it up honestly at the end of the month, prepare for a shock...
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I have to back up 145qrh.
Don't think I want to disgruntle possible "relief pilots" to our packed roster.
Just trying to give the real picture, - you won't save nothing whatsoever.
Another example?
http://213.132.44.184/emiratestoday/
click on picture
Don't think I want to disgruntle possible "relief pilots" to our packed roster.
Just trying to give the real picture, - you won't save nothing whatsoever.
Another example?
http://213.132.44.184/emiratestoday/
click on picture
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I am after some advice from you all reference a flying position.
I have been put in contact with a company that is offering a salary of $32,500 AED per month, with a rental allowance of AED $130,000 per year, car allowance of AED 1500/month, free medical and dental, furniture allowance and free removal. Also includes 2 business class tickets home/year. This is to be based out of Abu Dubai with working hours of 0700-1400 hrs in summer and 0700-1430 hrs in the winter, 5 days a week.
Can anyone let me know how this compares to other salaries and conditions in the UAE and if living there with a wife, 9 yr old and 1 yr old is affordable?
Cheers
I have been put in contact with a company that is offering a salary of $32,500 AED per month, with a rental allowance of AED $130,000 per year, car allowance of AED 1500/month, free medical and dental, furniture allowance and free removal. Also includes 2 business class tickets home/year. This is to be based out of Abu Dubai with working hours of 0700-1400 hrs in summer and 0700-1430 hrs in the winter, 5 days a week.
Can anyone let me know how this compares to other salaries and conditions in the UAE and if living there with a wife, 9 yr old and 1 yr old is affordable?
Cheers
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What are you smoking PITA?
Do you honestly think that anyone who can meet these qualifacations is a "first year" pilot
Go away you silly person.
Go away you silly person.
like that, fool. I'm saying people are complaining about their jobs for little reasons. As far as i'm concerned you get to fly great types, great destinations, for great money in a new exciting city to be in right now. Granted you have to deal with alot of the problems associated with the Middle-East but all it is is moan, moan, moan!
Take a look at what you have and think again.
Age 23, flying since 2001/2 ...Hey guys we should shut and listen when PRNAV speaks...HE is the font of knowledge of all things Emirates...
Sonny boy, when you grow up come back and listen to the big boys..until then pipe down..
Sonny boy, when you grow up come back and listen to the big boys..until then pipe down..
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PRNAV1 sounds like that that Canadian schoolboy bound_for dubai. Just take a look at his previous posts. I don't as a rule pick up on spelling as we can all hit the wrong key and English is not the first language of many people but his spelling is atrocious and text is that of a 13year old and certainly not one of 23!
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Here we go...haha! love it. The same old story, got nothing better to say other than look at his age and check out his spelling, yeah because that makes me a good pilot.
I bet you lot are the happiest people to have around. I'm guessing you weren't 23 once...if you were why do you have such a bad impression of me. was you a at 23...? Sounds like it. Can't look after your kids, don't have none, can't pay for car insurance, don't have a car, simple as! don't sit and moan about it. Don't like your job then leave!
Spelling and grammer! haha! check yourself out...
What is that..? Dubai capital D! and under score???
... Like that that! Very good. Well done mate. 
Age 23, flying since 2001/2 ...Hey guys we should shut and listen when PRNAV speaks...HE is the font of knowledge of all things Emirates...
Sonny boy, when you grow up come back and listen to the big boys..until then pipe down..
Sonny boy, when you grow up come back and listen to the big boys..until then pipe down..
at 23...? Sounds like it. Can't look after your kids, don't have none, can't pay for car insurance, don't have a car, simple as! don't sit and moan about it. Don't like your job then leave!Spelling and grammer! haha! check yourself out...
PRNAV1 sounds like that that Canadian schoolboy bound_for dubai. Just take a look at his previous posts. I don't as a rule pick up on spelling as we can all hit the wrong key and English is not the first language of many people but his spelling is atrocious and text is that of a 13year old and certainly not one of 23!
bound_for dubai
sounds like that that Canadian schoolboy
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I have to say the boys have got right.
You are a muppet mate
Either your daddy works for EK and you have managed to get onto his computer while he is on a layover .............or you are playing too much flight sim 2004, and have now emersed your self completely into your pilot fantasy by posting here at the the "Proffesional Pilots Forum".
Good try 10 out of 10 for initiative.
and another 10 out of 10 for the bull t
if I was you I would get myself a european breeding video and start thinking about all those hosties you are going meet when you finish flight school.
Hi cessna 1052.
Great post......our food bill is a little higher, but the numbers look good. I have day care for two at 5000dhm per term/ child...so thats an extra 30000dhm per year for both. .....so education allowance doesnt kick in until 4yrs of age. schools start at 3yrs of age........ at roughly 25000dhm/year per child
No problem if you are single.....mmmmm..
now theres an idea. .....what would I save if I sold the wife and children.....
off to market......"wife and kids for sale .....wife and kids for sale ....only one owner.....wife hardly used...no panel damage in good working order".."
TR
I have to say the boys have got right.
You are a muppet mate
Either your daddy works for EK and you have managed to get onto his computer while he is on a layover .............or you are playing too much flight sim 2004, and have now emersed your self completely into your pilot fantasy by posting here at the the "Proffesional Pilots Forum".
Good try 10 out of 10 for initiative.
and another 10 out of 10 for the bull tif I was you I would get myself a european breeding video and start thinking about all those hosties you are going meet when you finish flight school.
Hi cessna 1052.
Great post......our food bill is a little higher, but the numbers look good. I have day care for two at 5000dhm per term/ child...so thats an extra 30000dhm per year for both. .....so education allowance doesnt kick in until 4yrs of age. schools start at 3yrs of age........ at roughly 25000dhm/year per child
No problem if you are single.....mmmmm..
now theres an idea. .....what would I save if I sold the wife and children..... off to market......"wife and kids for sale .....wife and kids for sale ....only one owner.....wife hardly used...no panel damage in good working order".."
TR
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Seriously what the hell is wrong with a lot of people on here??
So prnav asked one question and got slated and then everyone joined in. Brilliant from a bunch of people who are supposed to be professional you are definitely not acting in this manor. Then someone decides to pick up on his spelling and check his history..oooh score! Grow up, this is ridiculous.
You are all obviously bitter twisted old men with nothing to do but whinge and then have a go at someone younger then you. Believe me age is not a major factor when it comes to maturity or people skills as you have all carefully demonstrated. The truth of the matter is is if you were all happy and content with your lives you would not have to carry on this way.
Playground and insecure are words that springs to mind.
And if you really want to get your jollys then go through my post and pick out whatever you like, if that makes you happy then i am happy to have brought some joy to your lives.
simple things.......
you know the rest.
So prnav asked one question and got slated and then everyone joined in. Brilliant from a bunch of people who are supposed to be professional you are definitely not acting in this manor. Then someone decides to pick up on his spelling and check his history..oooh score! Grow up, this is ridiculous.
You are all obviously bitter twisted old men with nothing to do but whinge and then have a go at someone younger then you. Believe me age is not a major factor when it comes to maturity or people skills as you have all carefully demonstrated. The truth of the matter is is if you were all happy and content with your lives you would not have to carry on this way.
Playground and insecure are words that springs to mind.
And if you really want to get your jollys then go through my post and pick out whatever you like, if that makes you happy then i am happy to have brought some joy to your lives.
simple things.......
you know the rest.
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Ok Capt Skipper
Good point....but consider this.
Did you even read what PRNAV1 had to say. Age has nothing to do with it as you have pointed out. He is probably 90yrs old living in a villa in the back of Sharjah somewhere.
The point is this thread is about EK pay issues. If you want to comment on something like EK pay issue's.........is it too much to ask the poster or postee to be reasonably informed. otherwise you take the risk of being "slated" as you put it.
I am not angry.....I am not old.......and I am a professional.
But here on pprune you can see a few professionals venting, discussing or informing on isues that matter to them either as individuals or as a group.
Maybe somewhere in all the madness thats exists in the middle east someone may read some of this for what it is ......... and realise..... to get real pilots, to fly real aeroplanes safe and efficiently you need to pay real money.
That capt skipper is the issue with EK salary.
TR
Good point....but consider this.
Did you even read what PRNAV1 had to say. Age has nothing to do with it as you have pointed out. He is probably 90yrs old living in a villa in the back of Sharjah somewhere.
The point is this thread is about EK pay issues. If you want to comment on something like EK pay issue's.........is it too much to ask the poster or postee to be reasonably informed. otherwise you take the risk of being "slated" as you put it.
I am not angry.....I am not old.......and I am a professional.
But here on pprune you can see a few professionals venting, discussing or informing on isues that matter to them either as individuals or as a group.
Maybe somewhere in all the madness thats exists in the middle east someone may read some of this for what it is
......... and realise..... to get real pilots, to fly real aeroplanes safe and efficiently you need to pay real money.That capt skipper is the issue with EK salary.
TR
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Well said Capt skip.
Makes me laugh how they go on..
Tail Rota, funny stuff mate
You're so funny, you here all week?
Think i have quite a few more thousand hours then any of you had at 23 and twice the sense. All gained through hard work and countig my blessings for the money i earn and the job i'm privilaged to have.
One thing's for sure, i deffinetly love the way you lot act and you all have kids! haha! think you need to learn how to grow up from them rather than you teaching them because the way i've seen you all respond to me is unbelievable for grown men.
No go meet for tipples at the local public house with your dolly bird wifes and talk about how little Harry is doing at Ruggers and how Isebella is now taking Ballet lessons as it's Pimms o'clock.
Keep telling youself that mate. Sounds like you love the sound of your own voice too much boss.
Ok., now feel free to slag me off then chat about how you can't afford to pay for solid gold gear nobs in you new BMW or how the Family can only go 10 holidays instead of 30 this year...
see ya!
Makes me laugh how they go on..
Tail Rota, funny stuff mate
........."wife and kids for sale .....wife and kids for sale ....only one owner.....wife hardly used...no panel damage in good working order".."
Think i have quite a few more thousand hours then any of you had at 23 and twice the sense. All gained through hard work and countig my blessings for the money i earn and the job i'm privilaged to have.
One thing's for sure, i deffinetly love the way you lot act and you all have kids! haha! think you need to learn how to grow up from them rather than you teaching them because the way i've seen you all respond to me is unbelievable for grown men.
No go meet for tipples at the local public house with your dolly bird wifes and talk about how little Harry is doing at Ruggers and how Isebella is now taking Ballet lessons as it's Pimms o'clock.
.......and I am a professional.
Ok., now feel free to slag me off then chat about how you can't afford to pay for solid gold gear nobs in you new BMW or how the Family can only go 10 holidays instead of 30 this year...
see ya!
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Tail Rota there is no question about what this thread is about, as you have said, EK pay rates.
However even before PRNAV had the chance to comment about whether he knew anything on the subject everybody pounced. He made a comment and it was neither derogatory or offensive he was simply saying lifes not actually that bad.
My problem here is as so called professionals why do people feel the need to ridicule others, professional to me means, mature, well rounded, skilled and someone who would rather strive to see other peoples points of view and comment accordingly. Not mob them and them pick them to peices and then wonder why they get angry. Especially as parents these are attributes we try and teach our children and if people on this forum cannot master them themselves then it is a sorry state of affairs.
I dont think PRNAV ever said that you didnt deserve to get paid more or even better, but again this is the case for pilots all over the word. we are underpaid in some circumstances as are nurses, firemen etc. To get real pilots you need real pay agreed but you do not need aggression.
Do you not think though Tail that if all the mob that replied didnt have some kind of bitterness they would have replied in such a blood thirsty way?
However even before PRNAV had the chance to comment about whether he knew anything on the subject everybody pounced. He made a comment and it was neither derogatory or offensive he was simply saying lifes not actually that bad.
My problem here is as so called professionals why do people feel the need to ridicule others, professional to me means, mature, well rounded, skilled and someone who would rather strive to see other peoples points of view and comment accordingly. Not mob them and them pick them to peices and then wonder why they get angry. Especially as parents these are attributes we try and teach our children and if people on this forum cannot master them themselves then it is a sorry state of affairs.
I dont think PRNAV ever said that you didnt deserve to get paid more or even better, but again this is the case for pilots all over the word. we are underpaid in some circumstances as are nurses, firemen etc. To get real pilots you need real pay agreed but you do not need aggression.
Do you not think though Tail that if all the mob that replied didnt have some kind of bitterness they would have replied in such a blood thirsty way?