Upgrades delayed again at EK
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Bond:
The contract may say you can use provident fund to pay off bond balance....RIGHT!!
In reality, the EK "honest" way, the contract also says it is subject to the policies in the employee handbook, which you get once you arrive at DXB. And yes, you guessed it right, the handbook states that you may not get any company contributions to your stellar provident if you leave before 5 years. So, the answer you will get fron HR is that you can not count on company contributions to pay off your bond balance...sorry...
The contract may say you can use provident fund to pay off bond balance....RIGHT!!
In reality, the EK "honest" way, the contract also says it is subject to the policies in the employee handbook, which you get once you arrive at DXB. And yes, you guessed it right, the handbook states that you may not get any company contributions to your stellar provident if you leave before 5 years. So, the answer you will get fron HR is that you can not count on company contributions to pay off your bond balance...sorry...
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When I left, the pay office did offset what was in my provident fund (not including their contribution) against what they saw as my liablilities. You are required to leave a further AED4000 'on account' for any unforeseen liabilities that may arise after you leave the UAE (Guess what, they managed to 'find' a medical bill that did just that!)
I found the extraction process every more convoluted and unwieldy than the induction process - if that is possible!
All that said, the money I paid to leave EK was worth every penny.
I found the extraction process every more convoluted and unwieldy than the induction process - if that is possible!
All that said, the money I paid to leave EK was worth every penny.
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This from ED
He has been told by TC he is not allowed to put any changes to paper.
Why? It is against FOM and totally illegal. Don't expect any "Variation" to be published because it ain't comin!
Asked if TC and the likes know what ripple effect this will have on the disgruntled here and the answer is basically they (TC & AAR) don't care. If a guy passed his command course previously elsewhere then he damn well is fantastic enough to do a two step over others in seniority here...provided he has 2K and 8K hrs.
They are still paranoid from the Gulf Air incident which has bugger all to do with Emirates.
It might be worth someone who has left or is about to leave to update the Wall Street Journal or Emirates Today regarding their full page ad on the VP treatment we are really getting here and the level of morale. A little smudge on EK in the public domain could go a long way!
Best to all...
He has been told by TC he is not allowed to put any changes to paper.
Why? It is against FOM and totally illegal. Don't expect any "Variation" to be published because it ain't comin!
Asked if TC and the likes know what ripple effect this will have on the disgruntled here and the answer is basically they (TC & AAR) don't care. If a guy passed his command course previously elsewhere then he damn well is fantastic enough to do a two step over others in seniority here...provided he has 2K and 8K hrs.
They are still paranoid from the Gulf Air incident which has bugger all to do with Emirates.
It might be worth someone who has left or is about to leave to update the Wall Street Journal or Emirates Today regarding their full page ad on the VP treatment we are really getting here and the level of morale. A little smudge on EK in the public domain could go a long way!
Best to all...
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Ah yes, the Gulf Air incident....
What relevance is that to Emirates? Not a clue. I was a horrible isolated incident that they use to change the rules and justify new requirements. If you read the transcripts you'll find it void of a well trained, competent, and safe operation. It's a scary read and has no relevance to the folks at EK. It's an insult.
What relevance is that to Emirates? Not a clue. I was a horrible isolated incident that they use to change the rules and justify new requirements. If you read the transcripts you'll find it void of a well trained, competent, and safe operation. It's a scary read and has no relevance to the folks at EK. It's an insult.
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A bit off the subject but does anyone know how the EK First Officer recruitment is going? Meaning............are EK inundated with applications or are they running out of interested pilots?
I never get a proper answer from EK recruitment so if anyone has any rumours or any info?
Thanks
I never get a proper answer from EK recruitment so if anyone has any rumours or any info?
Thanks
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This from ED
He has been told by TC he is not allowed to put any changes to paper.
Why? It is against FOM and totally illegal. Don't expect any "Variation" to be published because it ain't comin!
Who is TC and AAR??? Ah the Gulf Air incident. We are so safe, we talk and talk and talk cause it says so in the FOM to do so. Ah the FOM where everyone lives by it...that it has thrown out good airmanship...cause if it is not in the book there is no way anyone will take the initiative because of fear of getting in trouble...what happened to thinking outside the box...like I said all we do is talk and think too much and not see the big picture...ah the Big picture....you are a good pilot if you talk and talk and if you can quote the FOM.....but can you fly the plane.
He has been told by TC he is not allowed to put any changes to paper.
Why? It is against FOM and totally illegal. Don't expect any "Variation" to be published because it ain't comin!
Who is TC and AAR??? Ah the Gulf Air incident. We are so safe, we talk and talk and talk cause it says so in the FOM to do so. Ah the FOM where everyone lives by it...that it has thrown out good airmanship...cause if it is not in the book there is no way anyone will take the initiative because of fear of getting in trouble...what happened to thinking outside the box...like I said all we do is talk and think too much and not see the big picture...ah the Big picture....you are a good pilot if you talk and talk and if you can quote the FOM.....but can you fly the plane.
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Yep RTC, you need a critical mass of speech to get one of our aircraft airborne these days. Of course people who think more talk, have absolutely no clue how distracting it can be
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Saltaire, the GF accident might not have had relevance to the folks at EK but the after effects sure did. Before that, you would be upgraded on time ( about two years at that point). Accelerated and then DEC's were the result..no relevance?.. I think so.
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Common guys the GF accident is meerly an excuse they trot out to justify any nefarious changes they want to thrust on our upgrade policies. Nothing more, just another of our wonderful management tools
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All of the above confirmed from ED. Further: It is "only" 22 fast tracks, therefore another reason for them, not to make a big fuzz about it..least senior has 5 months in EK. DEC 's have stopped, package not competitive. Still lots of FOs joining though.
IFALPA ban might be on the way soon, it is in our hands!
IFALPA ban might be on the way soon, it is in our hands!
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Pull-up,
Great first post??!!?? IFALPA ban. What on earth are you on about and how could it possibly help anyone at EK?
I am not happy with some of the changes and have been prone to the odd bit of whining in the past. The T&Cs have deteriorated but get real. Is EK really that bad? If it is I'd like you to direct me to the company that would employ you in the way to which you have become accustomed.
Someone mentioned Utopia Airways a while back but it doesn't exist. I cannot believe the extent that some guys have gone to sh*t on their own doorstep. It might make you feel better but it won't help.
Great first post??!!?? IFALPA ban. What on earth are you on about and how could it possibly help anyone at EK?
I am not happy with some of the changes and have been prone to the odd bit of whining in the past. The T&Cs have deteriorated but get real. Is EK really that bad? If it is I'd like you to direct me to the company that would employ you in the way to which you have become accustomed.
Someone mentioned Utopia Airways a while back but it doesn't exist. I cannot believe the extent that some guys have gone to sh*t on their own doorstep. It might make you feel better but it won't help.
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Guys
We are all on individual contracts wether we like it or not. My neighbour could get an offer of variation to his contract at any time.......and I may not.......
I have heard some guys have a differing education allowance than mine, there are rumours that pilots may be able to negotiate at the interview on starting salary.
And I have also heard that some pilots have had their airfares covered to Dubai to complete the selection process.
22 guys moving to the 777 is only 1.5% of the pilot group of course they wont publish any variation to the FOM. Its not going to be policy. Its a way of fixing the crew shortage at hand for for the next few months
Schnowzer is right...Utopia Airlines does not exist..........If it does it in our own minds. Your version will certainly be different to mine....
I dont know how to run an Airline....but I do know how to fly a plane thats for sure. If I think EK doesnt do it for me anymore or I feel the pay isnt enough for my expertise.......... I will find someone who will.
Utopia Airlines. web sight www.airlinepilotswhoworkwithbigbreastedblondhosteeswhoshagg. com
Now my point........... What will EK do about all this ......as frustrating as it is to all of us..............Nothing!
TR
We are all on individual contracts wether we like it or not. My neighbour could get an offer of variation to his contract at any time.......and I may not.......
I have heard some guys have a differing education allowance than mine, there are rumours that pilots may be able to negotiate at the interview on starting salary.
And I have also heard that some pilots have had their airfares covered to Dubai to complete the selection process.
22 guys moving to the 777 is only 1.5% of the pilot group of course they wont publish any variation to the FOM. Its not going to be policy. Its a way of fixing the crew shortage at hand for for the next few months
Schnowzer is right...Utopia Airlines does not exist..........If it does it in our own minds. Your version will certainly be different to mine....
I dont know how to run an Airline....but I do know how to fly a plane thats for sure. If I think EK doesnt do it for me anymore or I feel the pay isnt enough for my expertise.......... I will find someone who will.
Utopia Airlines. web sight www.airlinepilotswhoworkwithbigbreastedblondhosteeswhoshagg. com
Now my point........... What will EK do about all this ......as frustrating as it is to all of us..............Nothing!
TR
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Gentleman, I'm an outsider, but I think you all should now that things are very different in my part of the world. Thousands have left my company over the last few year, both from the top and bottom of the seniority list. Still after 9 years of service with Delta, I'm at best 3 years from holding junior Captain (on reserve for many years). My company is bankrupt and inspite of ALPA representatoin I have taken a 47% pay cut and the vast majority of my pension is gone and will probably loose it all soon.
I've been reading this forum because I'm inerested in joining you at Emirates for the growth prospects and advancement opp. you all have. This was the type of growth Delta experienced in the 70s/80s and I can only wish to have been a part of that golden age of American aviation.
I am surprised to hear all the complaints. Yes, it may be difficult working long hours month in and month out, but your airline is sound and growing beyond my imagination. I think it would be an exciting (morale here is very low) place to work and if I had to wait another 3 years to make Captain at your airline I would do it without complaint.
I've been reading this forum because I'm inerested in joining you at Emirates for the growth prospects and advancement opp. you all have. This was the type of growth Delta experienced in the 70s/80s and I can only wish to have been a part of that golden age of American aviation.
I am surprised to hear all the complaints. Yes, it may be difficult working long hours month in and month out, but your airline is sound and growing beyond my imagination. I think it would be an exciting (morale here is very low) place to work and if I had to wait another 3 years to make Captain at your airline I would do it without complaint.
Take note of my post #21 at the top of the page of this link:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2563106
And substitute the name USair with the name Delta.
Is this a windup?
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2563106
And substitute the name USair with the name Delta.
Is this a windup?
