Jetstar advertising for drivers in the Middle East
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Emirates Pilots to crew Jetstar International?
Word on the street downunder is that a group of Airbus Captains will soon resign from Emirates, and return to Australia to take up their "retirement jobs" setting up Jetstar International.
Suggested rates of pay are about 40% less than current Qantas A330 drivers.
Suggested rates of pay are about 40% less than current Qantas A330 drivers.
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Good Luck to thise leaving!
There's a lot to be said for leaving the sandpit behind and going home, especially after the way everyone has been treated here over the last few years.
There are things that money just cannot buy...
There are things that money just cannot buy...
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Hope its true, but the same rumour went around a few months back about Virgin Blue international or something similar.
I suspect it is a windup, if so, post it in the D & G forum then sit back and watch the display.
You will get some serious bites down there.
I suspect it is a windup, if so, post it in the D & G forum then sit back and watch the display.
You will get some serious bites down there.
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Howdy
This rumour started on qrewroom after a well known 'name' F/O filled his pants listening to carp whilst on a visit to EK looking for a job.
Subsequent reports from other ex QF guys in EK indicated that whilst there are issues, a mass exodus is not likely.
The F/O is was the 'source' of this information is well known for his harassment of any female that crosses his path - he is on his last legs as far as QF is concerned.
This rumour started on qrewroom after a well known 'name' F/O filled his pants listening to carp whilst on a visit to EK looking for a job.
Subsequent reports from other ex QF guys in EK indicated that whilst there are issues, a mass exodus is not likely.
The F/O is was the 'source' of this information is well known for his harassment of any female that crosses his path - he is on his last legs as far as QF is concerned.
But if Jet Star do get widebodies then many Capts and F/os will leave.
If you are going to have a terrible lifestyle and low pay you may as well have it at home , or your first choice of visa destinations.......
If you are going to have a terrible lifestyle and low pay you may as well have it at home , or your first choice of visa destinations.......
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A Jetstar A320 is passing through Dubai on the 14 Novemeber with a Management Pilot onboard, and preliminary interviews will be carried out for some lucky ones in Dubai.....get your Cv's in chaps this could be your ticket out of the sandpit.
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As soon as Jetstar offer me Oz$14000 per month in hand plus a house, utilities, private schooling for my 3 kids, bonus and overtime - I'm off!!
That, or when the UAE ban kite surfing - whichever comes first.
Return to Oz in the near future? Keep dreaming - or discovering!
CC.
That, or when the UAE ban kite surfing - whichever comes first.
Return to Oz in the near future? Keep dreaming - or discovering!
CC.
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The deal for JQ international for a capt is $160 K AUD.
No allowances, no o/t, 2nd rate hotels, pay for your own endorsement, fly to CAO 48.1 exemption.
You boys are welcome to it.
No allowances, no o/t, 2nd rate hotels, pay for your own endorsement, fly to CAO 48.1 exemption.
You boys are welcome to it.
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Calligula how polite you are up here in the northern hemisphere, not like on the Down Under Forum at all. Very nice of you to welcome my fellow EK drivers to the possible 330 jobs at J*. Is this so when they get there you can say this about them
And this
. Perhaps you should decide which side of the equator best suits your personality, the fish have left the beaches of Dubai, so nothing to catch up here I am afraid, try again in the Southern Latitudes.
(pilots) who having failed selection for every airline in the free world, will get a job flying a jet (at J*) the only way they know how - by undercutting everyone else
... the jetstar losers do not operate to the same standards now do they boys
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Hi Max.
I was referring to JQ Aust in my other posts.
JQ int will be a completely different kettle of fish. The word is that Joyce is looking at a 'greenfields' contract which will exclude everyone in QF / JQ and AO.
He will look to hire aussie expats such as yourself who are keen to come home.
I have become resigned to it all now, but it is worthwhile for you guys to be informed about the reality of working for this new carrier.
Such low conditions may not suit everyone who is used to some of the pay and conditions offered by EK
No fishing intended
I was referring to JQ Aust in my other posts.
JQ int will be a completely different kettle of fish. The word is that Joyce is looking at a 'greenfields' contract which will exclude everyone in QF / JQ and AO.
He will look to hire aussie expats such as yourself who are keen to come home.
I have become resigned to it all now, but it is worthwhile for you guys to be informed about the reality of working for this new carrier.
Such low conditions may not suit everyone who is used to some of the pay and conditions offered by EK
No fishing intended
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cyclops
could you please tell me at what point my EK salary becomes oz $14,000 per month, because without inventing some ficticious exchange rate, or being here around 14 years, I can't see it? (And that assumes we continue to get increments, which JH is adamant we are not entitled to, but are given out of good grace). And you said overtime is additional to that. Well, I'm afraid on the B fleet, we rarely see overtime (although we used to until we lost credit for sims, AD's, leave etc).
Since when did EK pay 100% of your children's school fees? They have never done that for me. And, if your kids are at JPS (money-grubbing Varkhi school), then the difference between what EK contributes and the Varkhi fees, would be more than enough to send my kids to a school every bit as good as JPS in oz (yep GN, one may pay tax in oz, but there are benefits to be had from it).
As for the accommodation, it is a lottery. Some is very good, some is tragic. But then again, look at the stress the residents of Saud Villas have been through recently, as the accommodation department seems to have drawn a line in the sand at 115K dits. Yes, MF resolved it for them, but for 12 months only. And If you want to see an enormous social problem in the making, go and have a look at silicon city villas some time - where 600+ pilots and families will have accommodation provided. Imagine leaving, say the open spaces of Bowral, or a nice queenslander near Breisbane river, to go and live there - mmmmmm.
I would never suggest that everything is bad about EK, as there are a lot of good things. However, sometimes the rose tinted glasses have to come off.
could you please tell me at what point my EK salary becomes oz $14,000 per month, because without inventing some ficticious exchange rate, or being here around 14 years, I can't see it? (And that assumes we continue to get increments, which JH is adamant we are not entitled to, but are given out of good grace). And you said overtime is additional to that. Well, I'm afraid on the B fleet, we rarely see overtime (although we used to until we lost credit for sims, AD's, leave etc).
Since when did EK pay 100% of your children's school fees? They have never done that for me. And, if your kids are at JPS (money-grubbing Varkhi school), then the difference between what EK contributes and the Varkhi fees, would be more than enough to send my kids to a school every bit as good as JPS in oz (yep GN, one may pay tax in oz, but there are benefits to be had from it).
As for the accommodation, it is a lottery. Some is very good, some is tragic. But then again, look at the stress the residents of Saud Villas have been through recently, as the accommodation department seems to have drawn a line in the sand at 115K dits. Yes, MF resolved it for them, but for 12 months only. And If you want to see an enormous social problem in the making, go and have a look at silicon city villas some time - where 600+ pilots and families will have accommodation provided. Imagine leaving, say the open spaces of Bowral, or a nice queenslander near Breisbane river, to go and live there - mmmmmm.
I would never suggest that everything is bad about EK, as there are a lot of good things. However, sometimes the rose tinted glasses have to come off.
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BB,
Well okay let's bore and embarrass everybody with some maths. Here's my payments from last month.
Base Salary Dh 29510
Training Dh 5825
ERP Dh 2213
Overtime Dh 6200
Provident Dh 3500
TOTAL IN OZ $17275.
Ho, hum.
If you like I can divide the bonus by 12 for you and add the education allowance by 3.
Whichever way you do the maths, it sh1ts on Jet*.
Well okay let's bore and embarrass everybody with some maths. Here's my payments from last month.
Base Salary Dh 29510
Training Dh 5825
ERP Dh 2213
Overtime Dh 6200
Provident Dh 3500
TOTAL IN OZ $17275.
Ho, hum.
If you like I can divide the bonus by 12 for you and add the education allowance by 3.
Whichever way you do the maths, it sh1ts on Jet*.
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I'm with you Ernest.I would leave yesterday if I could.I dont believe that they wont give any allowances whilst on overnights.Their would have to some form of DTA.I think that the EK guys could provide them with everything from TRE's,Captains,F.O's,hosties,engineers you name it we have plenty of willing and able people who have had enough of the shabby mismanagement and low moral.Your kidding about the 14k a month cyclops.With rents going up 50% in the last 12 months your going to need it when they ask you to pay the difference on top of your allowance to the landlord.
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ek salary
Some more Plagiarism
My salary last month with EK
Base Salary Dh 29510
Overtime (no choice) Dh 6300
Exchange Rate Protection Dh 2213
Phone Allowance Dh 45
Utilities Allowance Dh 9625
Deduction Family Medical Insurance Dh 239
Deduction Profident Fund Dh 1480
Approx $16,600 OZ
Profident Fund is a real Fizzer with EK after 6 years only worth $60,000 US $. Big difference from the sales pitch that was thrown at us when we joined.
Australian Dollar 2.77750
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Days off Aug = 9
Days off Sept = 9
Days off Oct =9
Looks good on paper BUT cost of living has gone through the roof here in Dubai. Company provide a Utilities allowance that does not keep up with the spiralling rental costs and utilities costs.
Further evidence of this being pilots asked to move from company accomadation or asked to pay the difference
Quality of living has changed due to the increase in work load and only being allocated minimum days off each month.
As Scooter's post mentions if your going to have a terrible lifestyle may as well be back home.
Im about ready to jump on my bike and all though not ready to leave EK just yet like many others I am looking , you would have to have your head firmly entrenched in the sand if you were not....
My salary last month with EK
Base Salary Dh 29510
Overtime (no choice) Dh 6300
Exchange Rate Protection Dh 2213
Phone Allowance Dh 45
Utilities Allowance Dh 9625
Deduction Family Medical Insurance Dh 239
Deduction Profident Fund Dh 1480
Approx $16,600 OZ
Profident Fund is a real Fizzer with EK after 6 years only worth $60,000 US $. Big difference from the sales pitch that was thrown at us when we joined.
Australian Dollar 2.77750
....
Days off Aug = 9
Days off Sept = 9
Days off Oct =9
Looks good on paper BUT cost of living has gone through the roof here in Dubai. Company provide a Utilities allowance that does not keep up with the spiralling rental costs and utilities costs.
Further evidence of this being pilots asked to move from company accomadation or asked to pay the difference
Quality of living has changed due to the increase in work load and only being allocated minimum days off each month.
As Scooter's post mentions if your going to have a terrible lifestyle may as well be back home.
Im about ready to jump on my bike and all though not ready to leave EK just yet like many others I am looking , you would have to have your head firmly entrenched in the sand if you were not....
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GJ.
Ask the JQ aust guys / girls in both the flight deck and cabin how they are being treated by Joyce and you will understand the definition of 'low morale'.
There will be no, I repeat no, allowances or DTA. Leave will be assigned, there will be no roster choice and no base choices.
I am not saying dont come home, all I am saying is make sure it is an informed decision.
160 K PA. No allowances.
tax = 60K (from ATO website).
So 100K div by 12 = 8,300 aust pm
No seniority deals, AWA\'s (under the new IR legislation)
Work 20-21 days p/m.
DEC's, no upgrades and pay for all endorsements and training
Enjoy !!
Ask the JQ aust guys / girls in both the flight deck and cabin how they are being treated by Joyce and you will understand the definition of 'low morale'.
There will be no, I repeat no, allowances or DTA. Leave will be assigned, there will be no roster choice and no base choices.
I am not saying dont come home, all I am saying is make sure it is an informed decision.
160 K PA. No allowances.
tax = 60K (from ATO website).
So 100K div by 12 = 8,300 aust pm
No seniority deals, AWA\'s (under the new IR legislation)
Work 20-21 days p/m.
DEC's, no upgrades and pay for all endorsements and training
Enjoy !!
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Agency from Melbourne approached me.
An agency from Melbourne approached me to work for a new start up based in Melbourne. Typical of these agencies they won't let the cat out of the bag until you are sitting in front of them.
From what I can gather it wasn't Jetstar - well it didn't sound like Jetstar anyway as they it was a fairly new international operation with a domestic associate. Probably Virgin.
Even so it seems our days are numbered friends. What appears like good pay no longer isn't and I am now struggling to keep my marriage because of the continual contract work outside OZ. And guess who's back at Jetstar. 1989 here we go again. I have seriously thought about starting a business in buying and selling franchises than to put up with these screwballs that want to keep screwing our wages lower and lower while they line their pockets.
From what I can gather it wasn't Jetstar - well it didn't sound like Jetstar anyway as they it was a fairly new international operation with a domestic associate. Probably Virgin.
Even so it seems our days are numbered friends. What appears like good pay no longer isn't and I am now struggling to keep my marriage because of the continual contract work outside OZ. And guess who's back at Jetstar. 1989 here we go again. I have seriously thought about starting a business in buying and selling franchises than to put up with these screwballs that want to keep screwing our wages lower and lower while they line their pockets.
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Compared to how hard and how many hours we fly at EK the amount of days off is no different.I would only join as a DEC and am am endorsed on both brands that they are considering.I know they would screw you but at least you have some IR legislation protection.Calligula you obviously haven't read many of the Middle East threads to comment about our appreciation of what constitutes low moral.Dont worry about us making informed decisions alot of us have been around for a while.