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Originally Posted by Dct no speed
Farmers don't get killed or chased of their land by 21 year old "War Veterans"(By the way where was the USA,England,Australia,New Zeeland and Canada when that happend? Oh sorry no Oil in Zim! I forgot)
There was no oil in Bosnia either. There was no oil in Haiti either. There was no oil in Somalia either.
If we went into Iraq for the oil, then why did we go into Afganistan, Bosnia, Haiti, and Somalia? If we went into Iraq for the oil, then why are half the USA airlines in bankruptcy due to fuel costs? For the first time in the history of Iraq (and all the previous empires that ruled that piece of real estate), the people are going to the polls and with ballots in hand. AMAZING! Those Damn Americans! How dare they....
We may indeed fail in Iraq. The odds don't look good at the moment. But we have a history of spending our money and our lives so that others can enjoy freedom. I'm proud of it.
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I agree with Goforit....
Anyway, if oil was the real issue, Venezuela is much closer than Asia or Africa... lots of natural gas in Bolivia too...even Canada would be much easier
ah, and yes, why do so many people migrating to the US anyway?
Anyway, if oil was the real issue, Venezuela is much closer than Asia or Africa... lots of natural gas in Bolivia too...even Canada would be much easier
ah, and yes, why do so many people migrating to the US anyway?
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Goforit,
Its not oil, its not America, its business!
Look at the Bosnian massacres and the Hutus and Tutsi genocide. The west will not get involved unless its own interests are going to be affected or it has a more personal agenda.
Iraq may have been about revenge but pretty much all the rest...Its just business!
Back to the thread here, there is no doubt that life in Dubai is much less threatening than in lots of places around the world. But...crime does exist and then double standards are employed. 2 years for a premeditated con that led to a gang rape? Probably they will be pardoned during Eid. A non-local would have been jailed for 8 years and the deported at the end of the sentence. I just checked todays date on the paper...1427.
It isn't right, it isn't fair but sadly its the rules of the game. Until the UAE squares away these sorts of things it will never join the big leagues.
Its not oil, its not America, its business!
Look at the Bosnian massacres and the Hutus and Tutsi genocide. The west will not get involved unless its own interests are going to be affected or it has a more personal agenda.
Iraq may have been about revenge but pretty much all the rest...Its just business!
Back to the thread here, there is no doubt that life in Dubai is much less threatening than in lots of places around the world. But...crime does exist and then double standards are employed. 2 years for a premeditated con that led to a gang rape? Probably they will be pardoned during Eid. A non-local would have been jailed for 8 years and the deported at the end of the sentence. I just checked todays date on the paper...1427.
It isn't right, it isn't fair but sadly its the rules of the game. Until the UAE squares away these sorts of things it will never join the big leagues.
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smart girl wouldn't jump in to a stranger's car.
yes woman has right to get drunk, but be smart about it. I've been living here for 9 years, get used to go back home at 4 in the morning from night out without worrying if someone else is following me like I would feel if I'm in London, Paris etc etc.... but does this sort of safety can make me less aware of what's going on around me. I don't think so, as I still do this when I go out with friends until now.
I don't let my self drunk if only with one or 2 friends, be sensible about it. You have to take care of yourself.
I'm not commenting what happened with the victim, breaks my heart. But
I would consider it's a HUGE problem if the boys are actually the one who kidnapped her and force her to get in to the car.. but she's the one who willing to get in to a STRANGER's car.
I'm not a monster, rape is the worst thing can happen to a woman and yes no one deserve that in any under circumstances. If only the girls can just be smart and take care of themself realy.
* willing to get in to stranger's car ?
* force and kidnapped and rape her ?
how many rape case in your home town gentlemen? if you have a daughter, tell her to be smart and take car of her self. especially when you decided to go back to where you coming from....
yes woman has right to get drunk, but be smart about it. I've been living here for 9 years, get used to go back home at 4 in the morning from night out without worrying if someone else is following me like I would feel if I'm in London, Paris etc etc.... but does this sort of safety can make me less aware of what's going on around me. I don't think so, as I still do this when I go out with friends until now.
I don't let my self drunk if only with one or 2 friends, be sensible about it. You have to take care of yourself.
I'm not commenting what happened with the victim, breaks my heart. But
I would consider it's a HUGE problem if the boys are actually the one who kidnapped her and force her to get in to the car.. but she's the one who willing to get in to a STRANGER's car.
I'm not a monster, rape is the worst thing can happen to a woman and yes no one deserve that in any under circumstances. If only the girls can just be smart and take care of themself realy.
* willing to get in to stranger's car ?
* force and kidnapped and rape her ?
how many rape case in your home town gentlemen? if you have a daughter, tell her to be smart and take car of her self. especially when you decided to go back to where you coming from....
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"But we have a history of spending our money and our lives so that others can enjoy freedom. I'm proud of it."
This might aswell came out of Al Qaida propaganda against the foreign invasions in the ME. Macabre?? It's only a matter of perspective. Just as it is a matter of perspective to judge if it was partly the girls fault by getting in that car.
If someone tries to put this into the right perspective, he or she's in the wrong place. Anyone surprised by the UAE judges verdict forgets that it's 1427 around here. How long did we need to change our verdicts from back when we counted that year? Even armed with handys and cayennes, their mindset is middle aged and it will not be the handfull of expats from USA, EU, AUS that will change anything soon.
"But we have a history of spending our money and our lives so that others can enjoy freedom. I'm proud of it."
This might aswell came out of Al Qaida propaganda against the foreign invasions in the ME. Macabre?? It's only a matter of perspective. Just as it is a matter of perspective to judge if it was partly the girls fault by getting in that car.
If someone tries to put this into the right perspective, he or she's in the wrong place. Anyone surprised by the UAE judges verdict forgets that it's 1427 around here. How long did we need to change our verdicts from back when we counted that year? Even armed with handys and cayennes, their mindset is middle aged and it will not be the handfull of expats from USA, EU, AUS that will change anything soon.
The mind set is indeed from the dark ages.It will change in the middle east, for better or worse , who at this moment can say..
BUt change will happen, it has started. Next time you are in the pub , have a look and see how many guys in dish dashas you see..
As for expats changing things,,,,well it has too start somewhere, as a wise man once said " the longest journey starts but with a single step"
BUt change will happen, it has started. Next time you are in the pub , have a look and see how many guys in dish dashas you see..
As for expats changing things,,,,well it has too start somewhere, as a wise man once said " the longest journey starts but with a single step"
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Miss, you are missing the point! She was escaping from a bunch of guys that were harassing her. They were giving her a hard time, it was getting ugly.
She tried to escape but couldn't and then a knight in shining armour seeing her predicament offered to get her away from a nastily developing situation. She took the lifeline and then discovered that it was all a set up.
Let me see, you are in London or New York and a drunken git is hassling you. A mini-cab comes by and offers to take you away from the scene. Nobody else is about so you take the ride.....yep, it happened!
You are assuming she was drunk and stupid. She was in a crappy situation and tried her best to get away from it but was being set up by them all. It was not her fault but a clever manipulation by a bunch of scum with no respect for women.
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She tried to escape but couldn't and then a knight in shining armour seeing her predicament offered to get her away from a nastily developing situation. She took the lifeline and then discovered that it was all a set up.
Let me see, you are in London or New York and a drunken git is hassling you. A mini-cab comes by and offers to take you away from the scene. Nobody else is about so you take the ride.....yep, it happened!
You are assuming she was drunk and stupid. She was in a crappy situation and tried her best to get away from it but was being set up by them all. It was not her fault but a clever manipulation by a bunch of scum with no respect for women.
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I'm aware of that Ceberus, I'm not missing the point.
But the second car still bunch of STRANGER....
I wish that she was drunk, so that more make sense that she didn't think.
But if she wasn't drunk then she should have thought about it.
My point is.. why is so hard for some people that this is a two ways.
Why is so hard to some people to think or accept the possibility that it could be her fault too at some degree?
Read my post again, the difference for being kidnapped and forced to get in to the car... ( if this happened, I wouldn't say anything about her ) and willingly get in to the car with bunch of stranger.
Manipulation by those scumbags are tottaly disguisting, that's clear to all of us.
I probably missing the point for some people, but hey that's just my opinion.
Ceberus, btw getting to a cab is tottaly different story...
girls .. take care!!
But the second car still bunch of STRANGER....
I wish that she was drunk, so that more make sense that she didn't think.
But if she wasn't drunk then she should have thought about it.
My point is.. why is so hard for some people that this is a two ways.
Why is so hard to some people to think or accept the possibility that it could be her fault too at some degree?
Read my post again, the difference for being kidnapped and forced to get in to the car... ( if this happened, I wouldn't say anything about her ) and willingly get in to the car with bunch of stranger.
Manipulation by those scumbags are tottaly disguisting, that's clear to all of us.
I probably missing the point for some people, but hey that's just my opinion.
Ceberus, btw getting to a cab is tottaly different story...
girls .. take care!!
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get real
How can you all sit in judgment? Have you never made a mistake. This girls mistake ended with a bunch of guys RAPING her. I bet she wishes she never got in the car and I bet she wishes she was as street wise as some of you. Do you feel the mistake she made, makes her guilty of what happened. I hope I would not make a mistake and the consequences were quite so high. If a daughter,sister, mother and in this day a son or mate was to be subject to a GANG RAPE under what grounds would it have been their fault.
the thread wasnt started about the good U S of A so i wount comment, start a new thread and i might...........................
the thread wasnt started about the good U S of A so i wount comment, start a new thread and i might...........................
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Miss Petal, it is implied by your name that you are female and I would assume the wife of someone here in Dubai. I may be totally wrong there but that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that a woman was forcibly confined, kidnapped and repeatedly raped by men who can't even be referred to as human beings. There is NO excuse for what they did and there is absolutely no fault on the part of the victim.
Clearly from reading your posts you are either ignorant or somewhat illiterate or both. Your point of view is archaic and lacks sound judgement. To make things perfectly clear a woman can do as she pleases subject to local law... up and to the point.... where she says NO. If a man or a gang of men cannot control their basic urges and decide to violate another person they should be held accountable to the full extent of the law.
Anyone even suggesting that this victim is in any way at fault should sit back and reconsider. As an aside, I dont think there is a religion on the entire planet that doesn't agree that in some form or another each individual will be held accountable for their actions. I truly hope this is true.
Clearly from reading your posts you are either ignorant or somewhat illiterate or both. Your point of view is archaic and lacks sound judgement. To make things perfectly clear a woman can do as she pleases subject to local law... up and to the point.... where she says NO. If a man or a gang of men cannot control their basic urges and decide to violate another person they should be held accountable to the full extent of the law.
Anyone even suggesting that this victim is in any way at fault should sit back and reconsider. As an aside, I dont think there is a religion on the entire planet that doesn't agree that in some form or another each individual will be held accountable for their actions. I truly hope this is true.
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Which part that I said being raped is her fault?
I have discussed this with my female friends and family, it's a horrible story.
I was just pointing the beginning of the situation...
that no one, anywhere ever should get in to someone's car that you don't know.
( I'm tired of saying this... )
I'm a witness of my own exflamate that I met at the bar by herself drunk with some guy! When SHE's the one who's kissing him and the scene got nasty. I couldn't leave the place while I was with my friends, I didn't know if I probably in their way ( my ex flamate and the guy ).. but then I had to take her home. The next morning, she didn't know the guy! What happened if I didn't take her home?
This is exactly DIFFERENT situation with the gang rape case
I just wish the girls would be a bit sensible wherever they go and start to minimize the possible threat on themself.
I probably won't be able to make you understand my point ever, as my english is limited then is going to mislead and start arguments.
Well I'm sorry if I offended all of you here, not my attention.
Mensaboy.. I agree with you that the rapist are not human and not acceptable in any form ( I said that already too I think .. )
I have discussed this with my female friends and family, it's a horrible story.
I was just pointing the beginning of the situation...
that no one, anywhere ever should get in to someone's car that you don't know.
( I'm tired of saying this... )
I'm a witness of my own exflamate that I met at the bar by herself drunk with some guy! When SHE's the one who's kissing him and the scene got nasty. I couldn't leave the place while I was with my friends, I didn't know if I probably in their way ( my ex flamate and the guy ).. but then I had to take her home. The next morning, she didn't know the guy! What happened if I didn't take her home?
This is exactly DIFFERENT situation with the gang rape case
I just wish the girls would be a bit sensible wherever they go and start to minimize the possible threat on themself.
I probably won't be able to make you understand my point ever, as my english is limited then is going to mislead and start arguments.
Well I'm sorry if I offended all of you here, not my attention.
Mensaboy.. I agree with you that the rapist are not human and not acceptable in any form ( I said that already too I think .. )
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Missy,
How is a taxi different? It is still a stranger that you don't know and guess what there have been several incidents around the world and even in Dubai involving taxi drivers, rape and murder.
You are right she shouldn't have got in the car but she had a decision to make. She felt endangered by the situation she was in and needed to escape. In Dubai I haven't noticed anyone coming to anyone else aid in difficult situations, everyone counts the dirhams and walks down the other side of the street. I'll bet she saw no way out but was then offered a lifeline and took it.
Under different circumstances, with hindsight, if she had refused the lift and been raped would you be arguing she should have taken the lift? How often have you been in the situation where you have been out and taxis have become as rare as rocking horse manure? What about all the other people that were around, why didn't they help? Etc etc etc.
They are criminals and she is the victim. Yes we are all responsible for our personal security but sometimes you cannot win. Try poor Mr Falconio in the outback - should he have gone backpacking? Jill Dando being shot in the head - should she have kept the door shut? The poor girl in Thailand phoning her mum to wish her happy New Year and gets raped and drowned by a couple of fishermen.
She made a judgement call and lost. But I don't think the outcome would have been any different if she had stayed with the guys that were harrassing her or tried to run. I think they were going to abduct and rape her no matter what she did. That was their plan and she was the one unlucky enough to get in the way.
Hindsight is always 20/20 shame we don't get it before the event! Its also a shame that you weren't there to take her home.
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How is a taxi different? It is still a stranger that you don't know and guess what there have been several incidents around the world and even in Dubai involving taxi drivers, rape and murder.
You are right she shouldn't have got in the car but she had a decision to make. She felt endangered by the situation she was in and needed to escape. In Dubai I haven't noticed anyone coming to anyone else aid in difficult situations, everyone counts the dirhams and walks down the other side of the street. I'll bet she saw no way out but was then offered a lifeline and took it.
Under different circumstances, with hindsight, if she had refused the lift and been raped would you be arguing she should have taken the lift? How often have you been in the situation where you have been out and taxis have become as rare as rocking horse manure? What about all the other people that were around, why didn't they help? Etc etc etc.
They are criminals and she is the victim. Yes we are all responsible for our personal security but sometimes you cannot win. Try poor Mr Falconio in the outback - should he have gone backpacking? Jill Dando being shot in the head - should she have kept the door shut? The poor girl in Thailand phoning her mum to wish her happy New Year and gets raped and drowned by a couple of fishermen.
She made a judgement call and lost. But I don't think the outcome would have been any different if she had stayed with the guys that were harrassing her or tried to run. I think they were going to abduct and rape her no matter what she did. That was their plan and she was the one unlucky enough to get in the way.
Hindsight is always 20/20 shame we don't get it before the event! Its also a shame that you weren't there to take her home.
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Good on you mate. Points well spoken. For the lot of you who keep trying to justify and blame otherwise, no matter what the sceneiro, RAPE is still the INVOLOUNTARY act of sexual acts perpetrated against an individual. PERIOD!!! There are no if's, what's, or what could have been's. If she said no ...IT's NO!! Regardless about the circumstances leading up to the crime, the fact remains, a violation of a HUMAN was made. I don't care what religion you practice, every one of them hold RAPE right up there with MURDER! In a woman's eyes, this is just about what happens. You egotistical animals that have stood in the defence of the guilty are pretty lame individuals. You stand behind an anonimous facade available here on this forum, but would you be so bold to make the same point at dinner with 14 of your peers? I'm sure you would also be the one to say "if a woman accepted a drink from you that was spiked, it's your permission to RAPE her" too. I am not directing this at the majority who respect the rights and freedoms of individuals, regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation, but to those who seem to think that ones heinous actions against others are justified by the sheer ignorance or indiscretion of another human being.
Good on you mate. Points well spoken. For the lot of you who keep trying to justify and blame otherwise, no matter what the sceneiro, RAPE is still the INVOLOUNTARY act of sexual acts perpetrated against an individual. PERIOD!!! There are no if's, what's, or what could have been's. If she said no ...IT's NO!! Regardless about the circumstances leading up to the crime, the fact remains, a violation of a HUMAN was made. I don't care what religion you practice, every one of them hold RAPE right up there with MURDER! In a woman's eyes, this is just about what happens. You egotistical animals that have stood in the defence of the guilty are pretty lame individuals. You stand behind an anonimous facade available here on this forum, but would you be so bold to make the same point at dinner with 14 of your peers? I'm sure you would also be the one to say "if a woman accepted a drink from you that was spiked, it's your permission to RAPE her" too. I am not directing this at the majority who respect the rights and freedoms of individuals, regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation, but to those who seem to think that ones heinous actions against others are justified by the sheer ignorance or indiscretion of another human being.
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Cerberus..
you pointed very well from your posting.
I may lack of judgment and don't know the exact story and the real situation.
You're right that woman's insting is to find help.. I didn't know that it was a nasty situation.. my thought would be both situation something that you can avoid.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to keep arguing and people think I'm a monster.
Cause Cerberus I think you know where I'm coming from posting at the first place... ( my point ) and maybe only a little that you accepted but hey I appreciated that.
let me rephrase .. she's not stupid but probably she's unlucky...
Sorry guys.. I am a woman .. and I don't have to express my feeling here how I feel about the victim ok? or the rape in general...
I'm just pointing the lack of self security here in Dubai .. please be honest to yourself how the girls are wearing today when they go out, almost nothing! how many times you see a girl passed out on the table with none of her friends on the scene? ( please refrain saying that I would be ok/accepted the rape later on towards the girl ) I'm not an animal! This not only led to rape but minor harrassing can be prevent.
the only post I can understand is Cerberus and made me understand and made me come up and said hey I may be wrong with all the post I said.. you know why? Cause he's the only who can talk in such manner ( sign of educated and smarter than the rest ) and without hot blooded head calling other people animal.. will you do that too when you're at dinner with 14 people??
I'm out of here.. thanks Cerberus, but this forum is too nasty for me to be here.
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you pointed very well from your posting.
I may lack of judgment and don't know the exact story and the real situation.
You're right that woman's insting is to find help.. I didn't know that it was a nasty situation.. my thought would be both situation something that you can avoid.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to keep arguing and people think I'm a monster.
Cause Cerberus I think you know where I'm coming from posting at the first place... ( my point ) and maybe only a little that you accepted but hey I appreciated that.
let me rephrase .. she's not stupid but probably she's unlucky...
Sorry guys.. I am a woman .. and I don't have to express my feeling here how I feel about the victim ok? or the rape in general...
I'm just pointing the lack of self security here in Dubai .. please be honest to yourself how the girls are wearing today when they go out, almost nothing! how many times you see a girl passed out on the table with none of her friends on the scene? ( please refrain saying that I would be ok/accepted the rape later on towards the girl ) I'm not an animal! This not only led to rape but minor harrassing can be prevent.
the only post I can understand is Cerberus and made me understand and made me come up and said hey I may be wrong with all the post I said.. you know why? Cause he's the only who can talk in such manner ( sign of educated and smarter than the rest ) and without hot blooded head calling other people animal.. will you do that too when you're at dinner with 14 people??
I'm out of here.. thanks Cerberus, but this forum is too nasty for me to be here.
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Sheer Carnage
Someone dies on Dubai roads almost once every day.
Check this link to read more about driving in Dubai:
http://www.7days.ae/local-news/sheer-carnage.html
Check this link to read more about driving in Dubai:
http://www.7days.ae/local-news/sheer-carnage.html
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Yet Another Gang Rape!
Four men try to kill one of their many victims.
Check this link:
http://www.7days.ae/local-news/gang-...urt-hears.html
I wonder if Miss Petal would like to enlighten us to their "mistakes".
I suspect Miss Petal is suffering from the brain washing of some male orientated cultures that surpress female rights under some ludicrous religious banner, which perverts the true message of honoured relgions. This is not an attack on the ME or Arab cultures. I include all "looney" taliban style anti-women views which can be seen in in many countries, for example certain aspects of the USA (Fundamentalist Christians active mostly in Republican politics).
OK that little rant is off my chest, please do check out the link above if you are considering driving in Dubai.
Take care out there,
Scudsy
I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it
Check this link:
http://www.7days.ae/local-news/gang-...urt-hears.html
I wonder if Miss Petal would like to enlighten us to their "mistakes".
I suspect Miss Petal is suffering from the brain washing of some male orientated cultures that surpress female rights under some ludicrous religious banner, which perverts the true message of honoured relgions. This is not an attack on the ME or Arab cultures. I include all "looney" taliban style anti-women views which can be seen in in many countries, for example certain aspects of the USA (Fundamentalist Christians active mostly in Republican politics).
OK that little rant is off my chest, please do check out the link above if you are considering driving in Dubai.
Take care out there,
Scudsy
I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it