Emirates 2nd Officers
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Emirates 2nd Officers
Got a call from a guy asking about the interview process in general. I understood that he had no Jettime. He told me that it was a 2nd officer position. They are interviewing soon as next month I think. He did not say what the aircraft type was. Anyone got anything? Could this be an answer to all our troubles?
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So can the GCAA set out a rule for the locals and a rule for expats (discriminate). To expalin, I cannot see 200hr local FOs being cruise pilots for 2 or 3 years. Will surprise me if this happens.
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Dissapointed, very true..CX and SQ has been doing that for years. While CX takes expat SOs the minimums for that is 3000TT, local cadet zero hrs all paid for by the airline.
And CX is an xpat airline with xpat managment
And CX is an xpat airline with xpat managment
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Fairdinkum!
This 2nd officer thing is fairdinkum! Although it does not appear on the EK website. The guy in question had applied for a FO position and got a reply stating that he did not have the requirements for an FO slot but was considered for a SO slot. He was given an interview date and will be up there next month. This is fom EK recruitment mind you. So maybe this is the answer to the shortage of drivers. Because I cant see us getting too many drivers to fill the massive order book.
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Don't forget....... a CX S/O will need to earn what an Emirates Captain earns. HK is not cheap. And before all the replies fly in reminding us all how expensive Dubai is getting, we're not even close to the cost of living out there. Not even close!
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I've been here 12 years & I earn US $15,000 a month which includes basic salary, overtime and housing allowance. This figure does not include kids education assistance (95% in my case), medical benefits etc. Correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt if a CX S/O earns that sort of dosh. Maybe you're comparing with year 1 Captains salary, but even then.......
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HK is not cheap. And before all the replies fly in reminding us all how expensive Dubai is getting, we're not even close to the cost of living out there. Not even close!
All that matters is how much you have left over at the end of the month to save or invest. Sorry BYMONEK, but on that basis, EK is not even close to CX. Not sure how your friends there live, but I have a lot of friends in CX who are at similar seniority to mine in EK, and they just laugh at what we get paid and have remaining at the end of the month (I'm talking B-scale as well). And after all, most of us aren't expats because we like the beautiful surrounds of the country where we work! Remember the famous airline comparison survey that EK talks about, but never releases to us? Our colleagues in CX and KA get to see that (guess those companies have nothing to hide), and that spells things out fairly clearly. It also shows some elements of utter c**p that EK HR managers believe regarding our package.
All that matters is how much you have left over at the end of the month to save or invest. Sorry BYMONEK, but on that basis, EK is not even close to CX. Not sure how your friends there live, but I have a lot of friends in CX who are at similar seniority to mine in EK, and they just laugh at what we get paid and have remaining at the end of the month (I'm talking B-scale as well). And after all, most of us aren't expats because we like the beautiful surrounds of the country where we work! Remember the famous airline comparison survey that EK talks about, but never releases to us? Our colleagues in CX and KA get to see that (guess those companies have nothing to hide), and that spells things out fairly clearly. It also shows some elements of utter c**p that EK HR managers believe regarding our package.
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CX (B scale)
Yr 1 SO: US$4650 per mth plus US$3610 housing
Yr 3 SO: US$5810 plus housing US$5810.
Tax: 16%
Housing....if youre renting it doesnt really count I guess. But if you've brought a apartment/boat then the $$ are paying off you mortgage, so I guess you an add that to you wage?
JFO (incl housing) US$12,260
FO (incl housing) US$14,000
Time to full FO from joining is currently 4.2yrs.
Flying pay and allowances vary from Yr 1 SO approx US$800/mth to FO approx US$1600/mth.
Now hopefully you can argue your point armed with some facts?
Yr 1 SO: US$4650 per mth plus US$3610 housing
Yr 3 SO: US$5810 plus housing US$5810.
Tax: 16%
Housing....if youre renting it doesnt really count I guess. But if you've brought a apartment/boat then the $$ are paying off you mortgage, so I guess you an add that to you wage?
JFO (incl housing) US$12,260
FO (incl housing) US$14,000
Time to full FO from joining is currently 4.2yrs.
Flying pay and allowances vary from Yr 1 SO approx US$800/mth to FO approx US$1600/mth.
Now hopefully you can argue your point armed with some facts?
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Petitfromage
Thanks for the info. Which will confirm that a CX S/O is NOT earning as much as an EK Captain.
BelieveBrother
I seem to remember going over this same old debate several months ago with you and others. The conclusions are still the same. Regardless of the big bucks, many would not want to live in HK the same way others would never consider the Middle East. Cathay have always been big payers so if you want the money, go there. My quality of life here in Dubai is far greater than one I could achieve in HK and that's the reason i'm here. Not just the money left over each month to save, but quality of life for me and my family.......along with a seven hour flight home instead of 13!
Horses for courses.
I do agree with you on the publishing of the list though. In fact, do we even publish a copy of our own yearly increments anymore?
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BYMONEK
Thanks for the info. Which will confirm that a CX S/O is NOT earning as much as an EK Captain.
BelieveBrother
I seem to remember going over this same old debate several months ago with you and others. The conclusions are still the same. Regardless of the big bucks, many would not want to live in HK the same way others would never consider the Middle East. Cathay have always been big payers so if you want the money, go there. My quality of life here in Dubai is far greater than one I could achieve in HK and that's the reason i'm here. Not just the money left over each month to save, but quality of life for me and my family.......along with a seven hour flight home instead of 13!
Horses for courses.
I do agree with you on the publishing of the list though. In fact, do we even publish a copy of our own yearly increments anymore?
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Bymonek,
I beg to differ regarding the cost of living equation. I left EK as a Training Capt to come to Hong Kong as an FO. I now save twice what I did before. Also the company is kind enough to give me an EK Capt starting salary per month to help me buy a flat. Yes thats 1Million US over 15 years in addition to my salary which is much more than I earnt in EK. Not to mention my 62 days leave my travel fund of 50K Dhms per year and Oh yes 13 months pay.
In addition I get 15% bonus every year. Tends to work out around 230000 Dhms over 3 years.
You guys are SADLY underpaid and would do this industry a great service by walking as I did.
Or you could bury your head in the sand and wait for the shafting.
Mick
I beg to differ regarding the cost of living equation. I left EK as a Training Capt to come to Hong Kong as an FO. I now save twice what I did before. Also the company is kind enough to give me an EK Capt starting salary per month to help me buy a flat. Yes thats 1Million US over 15 years in addition to my salary which is much more than I earnt in EK. Not to mention my 62 days leave my travel fund of 50K Dhms per year and Oh yes 13 months pay.
In addition I get 15% bonus every year. Tends to work out around 230000 Dhms over 3 years.
You guys are SADLY underpaid and would do this industry a great service by walking as I did.
Or you could bury your head in the sand and wait for the shafting.
Mick
Glad to see its working out Mick.
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EKs pay used to be quite good, just the dollar tends to spoil it. US$ lost about 50% to most major currencies in the last few years. Eighter EK pays more or you wait until a Democrat starts to do good fiscal politics.
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Mick glad things are working out in Honkers, your post sums up how badly paid we are in EK.
After the latest pilot meeting TCAS and crowd seem blissfully unaware of the crisis thast will shortly hit EK through lack of crew.
Perhaps a detailed comparison with the Cathay salaries can be posted by someone??????????
After the latest pilot meeting TCAS and crowd seem blissfully unaware of the crisis thast will shortly hit EK through lack of crew.
Perhaps a detailed comparison with the Cathay salaries can be posted by someone??????????
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Mick, also very happy to see it working out. Thanks for posting those facts on this forum. It shows where EK is by expat standards.
BYMONEK, yep, we sparred about this a while back. Horses for courses is true. You are happy to forego salary as you like the lifestle DXB offers in comparison with other expat jobs. Fare cop. A lot of us though find the quality of life here (including EK's ability to wear us out rapidly with its pressures and practices) far worse than home, and the current remuneration doesn't make up for it, in my opinion! Cheers.
BYMONEK, yep, we sparred about this a while back. Horses for courses is true. You are happy to forego salary as you like the lifestle DXB offers in comparison with other expat jobs. Fare cop. A lot of us though find the quality of life here (including EK's ability to wear us out rapidly with its pressures and practices) far worse than home, and the current remuneration doesn't make up for it, in my opinion! Cheers.