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The embargo on id90 economy just tells me they would rather have the seat go empty, as opposed to an employee having the opportunity to utilize it, as the seat is always available to a fare paying passenger up to closure of the flight check in....makes no sense...oh well....no mention of annual leave tickets status....
UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!! Apparently I,m confused (go figure!!) it is not applicable to economy..just first.....
UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!! Apparently I,m confused (go figure!!) it is not applicable to economy..just first.....
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Ok latest e mail says no friends and family tickets across the network for 2 months of summer and christmas. So your leave tickets and ID90/50's are untouched. You just have to travel alone!! How many more e mails will it take to get this right, 3 so far and counting.
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Still..embargoes are generally imposed to avoid customers claiming air miles seats (usually id50's) that are "confirmed" so to speak, or other cut-rate tickets..a subload is just that...if the seat is available just as check-in closes, it seems strange not to make it available to a subload passenger, as is normally the case anyway...but anyway...
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Oh me oh my all these amendments, yes there is #3 what about #2 as follows
Therefore with immediate effect :
No Industry Discount (ID) or Agency Discount (AD) rebate travel of any
level will be permitted for travel between Gulf - London / Paris /
Beirut / Cairo - Gulf during the periods 15th June - 15th September 2005.
No Industry Discount (ID) or Agency Discount (AD) rebate travel of any
level will be permitted for travel between Gulf - London / Paris /
Beirut / Cairo / Sydney - Gulf during the period 11th December 2005
to 11th January 2006.
The above embargoes apply to confirmed and subload travel in all discount
category types e.g. ID50 / ID75 / ID90 tickets.
In addition any requests for rebate travel in the First Class cabins from any
non Gulf Air employee must be submitted to the PCE office for approval
in future.
Ian Waterhouse
Vice President
I am a bit surprised he has time to personally review the friends and family tickets, oh but wait he cancelled them.
Therefore with immediate effect :
No Industry Discount (ID) or Agency Discount (AD) rebate travel of any
level will be permitted for travel between Gulf - London / Paris /
Beirut / Cairo - Gulf during the periods 15th June - 15th September 2005.
No Industry Discount (ID) or Agency Discount (AD) rebate travel of any
level will be permitted for travel between Gulf - London / Paris /
Beirut / Cairo / Sydney - Gulf during the period 11th December 2005
to 11th January 2006.
The above embargoes apply to confirmed and subload travel in all discount
category types e.g. ID50 / ID75 / ID90 tickets.
In addition any requests for rebate travel in the First Class cabins from any
non Gulf Air employee must be submitted to the PCE office for approval
in future.
Ian Waterhouse
Vice President
I am a bit surprised he has time to personally review the friends and family tickets, oh but wait he cancelled them.
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lifeb4767 your e mail is 3 days old, the latest one from this morning is the amendment which clearly says only friends and family tickets affected.
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"To all GF employees,
Due to expected high customer demand in the busy months ahead it is
only proper that Gulf Air protect as many seats as possible for our
revenue paying passengers.
Therefore with immediate effect :
No further 'Friends and Family' tickets are permitted to be purchased for travel on all routes across
the Gulf Air network during the periods 15th June to 15th September 2005 and 11th December 2005
to 11th January 2006.
Any tickets already paid for and ticketed prior to this policy amendment will be honoured" End Quote
Since this is aimed at keeping you and your family in pocket money for the foreseeable future even you would have to agree it is a small price to pay. There is still a culture of crew selling their ID tickets to people on the street and this costs the company a small fortune. You can thank your fellow employees for this contribution to your loss of benefit. Anyway you will be too busy during summer to travel anywhere!
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"To all GF employees,
Due to expected high customer demand in the busy months ahead it is
only proper that Gulf Air protect as many seats as possible for our
revenue paying passengers.
Therefore with immediate effect :
No further 'Friends and Family' tickets are permitted to be purchased for travel on all routes across
the Gulf Air network during the periods 15th June to 15th September 2005 and 11th December 2005
to 11th January 2006.
Any tickets already paid for and ticketed prior to this policy amendment will be honoured" End Quote
Since this is aimed at keeping you and your family in pocket money for the foreseeable future even you would have to agree it is a small price to pay. There is still a culture of crew selling their ID tickets to people on the street and this costs the company a small fortune. You can thank your fellow employees for this contribution to your loss of benefit. Anyway you will be too busy during summer to travel anywhere!
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id's in first are restricted on certain routes as well...a different e-mail under a different title...Capt Pprune...we need a GF forum pleeeeeese
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What to do??? Nobody is quite sure of what our entitlements are now but I supose the good news is that at least our genius Mr W will be leaving us in 2 weeks. Then we might get a new memo clarifying this mess.
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No doubt he will turn up at QR who seem to get all the HR Managers that loose the plot - RM from EK a good example. Show me the money and I will be your puppet Akbar! Don't worry about the staff - leave them to me - I will drive them away...
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I think we can all relax on this embargo thing. The latest e mail, (that's 4 now) says it ONLY relates to First Class friends and family tickets. I take this to mean that Y and J are unaffected, at least until the next e mail. What a load of nonsense that nobody can get this right. If communication is the oil in the cog then we are about to seize up!!!
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Can someone enlighten me on what the staff benefits at GF are - ID90 in F-class sounds a dream.
BA provides unlimited ID90 in Y class - if you are lucky and the flight is full you may get J.
No chance of standing by in J (let alone F) unless you have been here for years and years and are using your long service ticket (this is firm anyway) or are a manager (again firm).
BA provides unlimited ID90 in Y class - if you are lucky and the flight is full you may get J.
No chance of standing by in J (let alone F) unless you have been here for years and years and are using your long service ticket (this is firm anyway) or are a manager (again firm).
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vfenext,
According to the latest posts that I have read in this forum, I think u are confused. The first class embargo seems to apply to non-GF employees only (GF staff are not affected). However, the friends and family tickets embargo (ID50's) still apply.
According to the latest posts that I have read in this forum, I think u are confused. The first class embargo seems to apply to non-GF employees only (GF staff are not affected). However, the friends and family tickets embargo (ID50's) still apply.
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Just an observation from a non-GF ppruner:
I once heard a justification from a manager in an airline as to why they refused ID subloads in First Class, as opposed to allowing them in J/Y.
It was based on the fact that very often there would be more staff in F than fare paying pax, and it was these fare paying pax that took offence when they were paying mega bucks for supposed exclusivity, only to be surrounded by the local airline club...
Now I'm not advocating this, just stating what I heard once as a justification.
Obviously wouldn't apply to Y and not really applicable to J either, but one can see some, rpt some, sense in restricting F class when it annoys the fare paying punters...
Personally, I disagree, and it then comes down to making sure that staff behave when in F so as to not cause offence to full fare. But as we all will know, it only takes a few to spoil it for the rest...
I once heard a justification from a manager in an airline as to why they refused ID subloads in First Class, as opposed to allowing them in J/Y.
It was based on the fact that very often there would be more staff in F than fare paying pax, and it was these fare paying pax that took offence when they were paying mega bucks for supposed exclusivity, only to be surrounded by the local airline club...
Now I'm not advocating this, just stating what I heard once as a justification.
Obviously wouldn't apply to Y and not really applicable to J either, but one can see some, rpt some, sense in restricting F class when it annoys the fare paying punters...
Personally, I disagree, and it then comes down to making sure that staff behave when in F so as to not cause offence to full fare. But as we all will know, it only takes a few to spoil it for the rest...
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I am quite sure the airline manager you heard this from was only too happy to travel in First Class himself when the opportunity arose. What they really mean is they only want themselves getting the upgrade and don't want the plebs spoiling it for them. Anyway this GF thing is out of all proportion, it's not that bad and only affects ID50 in First for family and friends, all other classes are ok. There is no problem giving a seat to staff if it's going to be empty anyway. I think the idea is to stop confirmed seats (ID50) preventing full fare pax getting a seat. Sounds like good business sense to me.
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Agree with both observations Zones and vfenext. At a previous employer we had a boss who didn't like the idea of his staff riding anywhere other than coach-- for him it was an issue of offering an exclusive environment for the premium passengers. Ammunition was only provided to him when non-revenue and deadheading staff (sometimes in uniform) would end up "talking shop" in the aisles or across the aisles, talking about their pass privledges or tieing up the time of their on-duty colleagues or friends from attending the revenue passengers. Cooler heads in our management published a memo asking employees to mind their etiquette. "Fitting in" when non-reving is important.
Failure to conform to the norms has it's high costs. We had a few types who abused the company's established buddy pass system by selling or bartering tickets. Although this was against the rules and the perpetrators could have been fired or disciplined (which is what should have been done), the Company simply took the broader (and easier) approach of taking that part of the system away from everyone.
Failure to conform to the norms has it's high costs. We had a few types who abused the company's established buddy pass system by selling or bartering tickets. Although this was against the rules and the perpetrators could have been fired or disciplined (which is what should have been done), the Company simply took the broader (and easier) approach of taking that part of the system away from everyone.
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no stff trvl 4 gf
Come on guys is anyone really suprised by any of the managements decisions?? ?? As long as the airline looks good on the outside and the management get richer, we should be honoured to be giving all our sweat and hours to such a prestigious airline !!
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Executives appointed by airline
From the Gulf Daily News, June 8:
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/arc_A...&IssueID=28080
Executives appointed by airline
MANAMA: Gulf Air yesterday announced three executive appointments.
Tariq Sultan was named as vice-president of human resources, Ali Murtada as vice-president of business units and Danny Barranger as acting vice-president of marketing and sales.
"These carefully considered appointments are indicative of the fact that we are moving into a new phase of restructuring, which will require specific skills to drive and ensure its momentum and success," said Gulf Air president and chief executive James Hogan.
Mr Sultan has 30 years experience in the IT and services industries, while Mr Murtada is a 30-year veteran of Gulf Air who started his career in the reservations department.
Mr Barranger's new position has worldwide responsibilities covering reservations, sales and marketing and a portfolio including, branding, e-business, loyalty programmes, advertising and promotions.
He has held the position of head of sales at Gulf Air since July 2003.
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/arc_A...&IssueID=28080
Executives appointed by airline
MANAMA: Gulf Air yesterday announced three executive appointments.
Tariq Sultan was named as vice-president of human resources, Ali Murtada as vice-president of business units and Danny Barranger as acting vice-president of marketing and sales.
"These carefully considered appointments are indicative of the fact that we are moving into a new phase of restructuring, which will require specific skills to drive and ensure its momentum and success," said Gulf Air president and chief executive James Hogan.
Mr Sultan has 30 years experience in the IT and services industries, while Mr Murtada is a 30-year veteran of Gulf Air who started his career in the reservations department.
Mr Barranger's new position has worldwide responsibilities covering reservations, sales and marketing and a portfolio including, branding, e-business, loyalty programmes, advertising and promotions.
He has held the position of head of sales at Gulf Air since July 2003.
