Changes at ETIHAD?
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Yes heard that too,but the rumour I heard was about ops not commercial and it was from a reliable source.There is a lot of stuff going on at Etihad at the moment........how many heads will fall?
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Really! EY needs a complete D Check... if there isn't a bigger one.
A lot has been said privately and not in this forum or elsewhere. I stopped by AUH and DXB and the picture is not good. Best source of info is usually the local lads. The rumour mill usually bears fruits. They know it but don't like to speak about it openly.
I can only remember reading or hearing such a bad start for a so-called new National Airline, that one of QR back in 94 when the then CEO made a mess of everything. He did not have the ca$h his successor (or EY) has nowadays at their disposal. But he also recruited mediocrity (or worse) and got less than that immediately. Rightly so, his masters "booted" him out along the entire top and middle structure.
It's a disgrace that EY has not done much better with so much money at their disposal (wrong?).
You install and hire mediocrity (again), you'll get mediocrity. The chairperson and the majority of his management team have "proven credentials" elsewhere in the Gulf...
Sorry to hear someone (EY) is actually very (terminally) ill.
So many other operators worldwide would like such a generosity from one of the richest masters in the world nowadays.
EY can buy BIG because of "mine has to be bigger" policy, but they need to contract "bigger" management to prop them up into the much heralded success to match their masters wealth.
If their B767 is a lonely creature, I think they should have more of that size or a little smaller to cater for the thinner routes. I cannot imagine EY having a good load on the short-haul flights. All other Gulf operators started with narrow bodies to match biz targets (i.e. frequencies) and of those operators only EK operates today a all widebody fleet because they built a brand name.
I hope this complete D Chk happens "today". Leaves fall every autumn...
Chin up! Keep flying safely.
A lot has been said privately and not in this forum or elsewhere. I stopped by AUH and DXB and the picture is not good. Best source of info is usually the local lads. The rumour mill usually bears fruits. They know it but don't like to speak about it openly.
I can only remember reading or hearing such a bad start for a so-called new National Airline, that one of QR back in 94 when the then CEO made a mess of everything. He did not have the ca$h his successor (or EY) has nowadays at their disposal. But he also recruited mediocrity (or worse) and got less than that immediately. Rightly so, his masters "booted" him out along the entire top and middle structure.
It's a disgrace that EY has not done much better with so much money at their disposal (wrong?).
You install and hire mediocrity (again), you'll get mediocrity. The chairperson and the majority of his management team have "proven credentials" elsewhere in the Gulf...
Sorry to hear someone (EY) is actually very (terminally) ill.
So many other operators worldwide would like such a generosity from one of the richest masters in the world nowadays.
EY can buy BIG because of "mine has to be bigger" policy, but they need to contract "bigger" management to prop them up into the much heralded success to match their masters wealth.
If their B767 is a lonely creature, I think they should have more of that size or a little smaller to cater for the thinner routes. I cannot imagine EY having a good load on the short-haul flights. All other Gulf operators started with narrow bodies to match biz targets (i.e. frequencies) and of those operators only EK operates today a all widebody fleet because they built a brand name.
I hope this complete D Chk happens "today". Leaves fall every autumn...
Chin up! Keep flying safely.
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Hi all
I am not working for one of these companies. From my earlier experience the companies in this region ressemble very much former Swissair and Crossair. EK starts very good and becomes over-arrogant (SWR), EY starts as miserably managed bubble sustained by the state (CRX first sucked blood from SWR, then after the collapse of SWR became SWISS and sucked blood from the state).
What happened then is history: SWR adopted the attitude “love it or leave it, we have thousands waiting for your job”. They then eventually gave up a lot of routes to CRX, which itself started to compete it’s sponsor with cutthroat criminal T&C’s in ops. It’s manager falling into the “mine will be bigger” game the ME world adopted and which the former SWR manager had perfectioned.
The outcome:
Today SWR is broke, collapsed. The fabulous CRX crashed two healthy planes, with casualties and all the relevant managers face trial (yes, they do, thank god).
It seems to me that the formidable ME airline owners and their managers have a frightening short memory. They should at least pose themselves my name as question:
Do I believe in history repeating itself or not!
Good luck to y’alls
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I am not working for one of these companies. From my earlier experience the companies in this region ressemble very much former Swissair and Crossair. EK starts very good and becomes over-arrogant (SWR), EY starts as miserably managed bubble sustained by the state (CRX first sucked blood from SWR, then after the collapse of SWR became SWISS and sucked blood from the state).
What happened then is history: SWR adopted the attitude “love it or leave it, we have thousands waiting for your job”. They then eventually gave up a lot of routes to CRX, which itself started to compete it’s sponsor with cutthroat criminal T&C’s in ops. It’s manager falling into the “mine will be bigger” game the ME world adopted and which the former SWR manager had perfectioned.
The outcome:
Today SWR is broke, collapsed. The fabulous CRX crashed two healthy planes, with casualties and all the relevant managers face trial (yes, they do, thank god).
It seems to me that the formidable ME airline owners and their managers have a frightening short memory. They should at least pose themselves my name as question:
Do I believe in history repeating itself or not!
Good luck to y’alls
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Gd post. The headlines are in it. What really baffles is "the VPO flies a 17 hour duty to ensure schedule is covered".
I heard the rumour at end of February, but nothing more. Now that you said it it means something. Where there's smoke there is fire...
How can this be possible? Good example and better safety standards... I wonder what the EY Safety Officer had to say about it? Did he know it or...?
Keep flying safely (not with EY apparently...)
I heard the rumour at end of February, but nothing more. Now that you said it it means something. Where there's smoke there is fire...
How can this be possible? Good example and better safety standards... I wonder what the EY Safety Officer had to say about it? Did he know it or...?
Keep flying safely (not with EY apparently...)
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Since this is a rumour network all kinds of rumours mostly untrue are posted here regarding EY ... it is good to get rumours from someone closer to the company rather than from rejected wannabe's and malicious posters... first there is a gcaa approved safety program in place with flight safety department comprised of several highly experienced people from ex-European/Asian/ME/N.American national carriers..VP ops is doing his job and these days seldom flies ..as well as his Deputy..in fact contracts are extended for the next several years for all the Senior Managment people....you made me laugh with 17 hour duty day where did you get that?....in fact roster is pretty good with more days off than most other outfits in the region...currently there are more pilots than required due to the anticipated expansion ....than there are two new fleet chiefs on board ....and planes have occupancy on subcontinet and BKK routes close to 80%....as well as most European routes it does fluctuate but doesn't it in any company or season ? Company is very well run considering that it has started year and a half ago and you could see improvements every day much faster implemented than QR 9 years or Ek in early days 17 years ago....there are planes coming , 7 maybe 8 this year and 12+ the next ...it is not easy to set up an airline but EY people are doing the best job they can..and regardless of the financial backing there is accountability for every step you take..so a little less harsh criticism and a bit more of information research will help you get the right information if that is your goal ...or maybe it isn't on the other hand ... and by the way new web site is only two weeks old and it looks good ...bear in mind that company has only six airplanes , all leased , none of its own so far..i think pretty good job from that perspective
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sounds to me like your head could be one of those for the chop together with the rest of them.Remember.......there is NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE.Also ask anyone who knows anything of the ME a contract is not worth the paper it is written on.
sounds to me like your head could be one of those for the chop together with the rest of them.Remember.......there is NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE.Also ask anyone who knows anything of the ME a contract is not worth the paper it is written on.
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To a outsider this recalls the saying that if you throw a stone into a herd of sheep, the animal that gets hit cries out loudest.
Good that we get reminded that "since this is a rumour network ALL kinds of rumours mostly untrue are posted here regarding EY".
Good that we get reminded that "since this is a rumour network ALL kinds of rumours mostly untrue are posted here regarding EY".
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Gccpro,
I don't know what your problem is however, could you lay off the EY bashing just a tad?
You have given us a good old serve of negativity and chips in the CC forum and now you are here doing the same.
I smell rejected application at 500 paces
I don't know what your problem is however, could you lay off the EY bashing just a tad?
You have given us a good old serve of negativity and chips in the CC forum and now you are here doing the same.
I smell rejected application at 500 paces
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Yes you are entitled to say whatever you like.
However, Please remember it impacts othes lives.
There are many new crew who have been recruited to go over to EY during the coming months who are following these threads, some who have never flown before and most have never been to the Gulf.
To put the wind up them with confusing snipits is unfair to the them, the company, and existing crew.
I know its not going to be a bed of roses.
Someones Nana used to say... if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all.
Well sometimes thats good advice?
Indeed we shall see you soon, Please be nice!
However, Please remember it impacts othes lives.
There are many new crew who have been recruited to go over to EY during the coming months who are following these threads, some who have never flown before and most have never been to the Gulf.
To put the wind up them with confusing snipits is unfair to the them, the company, and existing crew.
I know its not going to be a bed of roses.
Someones Nana used to say... if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all.
Well sometimes thats good advice?
Indeed we shall see you soon, Please be nice!
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4 play, iM with you on that. i should be heading over there shortly and I would more like to read whats actually happening prior to my arival. So far everything looks mostly positive!!!
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It's amazing that we have so many "rightful owners of the truth" in this Forum.
I keep reading the word responsible posting. A rumour on its own may be false. Is this irresponsibility outright? It depends otherwise info wouldn't flow at all.
If the rumour disfavours those "owners of the truth", the respective author gets a public repremand if not a threat of "expulsion"...
Let the info flow. Don't take it personally. Be open minded even if the topic doesn't please you (at once). Add your views constructively and objectively (no compromise there!. Posts, even if it's just a rumour, must be objective. Do NOT be aggressive extremely direct to the point of berating the other member.
Let me go back to the subject of rumour and how helpful this (or others) Forum can be.
If ONE should have to take a job anywhere in the world and if that ONE IS A RESPONSIBLE PERSON, single, married (with or without kids), I'm quite sure he/she would be very appreciative to having as much information about the employer, city, cost of living (and I here include all the major sources of expenditure including life-styles), etc..
Internet, Media and employer's interviewing panels don't tell it all specially if the interview takes place away from you are going to be based. Night-stopping on duty is not the same as living in the same spot...
You need to have a fact-finding mission to acertain you decision. And in the absence of those, this forum (and others) can be very helpful sometimes confusing if the posts are irresponsible (true). If the thread keeps coming back, and from different members, there may be some truth to it.
Keep flying safely!
I keep reading the word responsible posting. A rumour on its own may be false. Is this irresponsibility outright? It depends otherwise info wouldn't flow at all.
If the rumour disfavours those "owners of the truth", the respective author gets a public repremand if not a threat of "expulsion"...
Let the info flow. Don't take it personally. Be open minded even if the topic doesn't please you (at once). Add your views constructively and objectively (no compromise there!. Posts, even if it's just a rumour, must be objective. Do NOT be aggressive extremely direct to the point of berating the other member.
Let me go back to the subject of rumour and how helpful this (or others) Forum can be.
If ONE should have to take a job anywhere in the world and if that ONE IS A RESPONSIBLE PERSON, single, married (with or without kids), I'm quite sure he/she would be very appreciative to having as much information about the employer, city, cost of living (and I here include all the major sources of expenditure including life-styles), etc..
Internet, Media and employer's interviewing panels don't tell it all specially if the interview takes place away from you are going to be based. Night-stopping on duty is not the same as living in the same spot...
You need to have a fact-finding mission to acertain you decision. And in the absence of those, this forum (and others) can be very helpful sometimes confusing if the posts are irresponsible (true). If the thread keeps coming back, and from different members, there may be some truth to it.
Keep flying safely!
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You seem to have hi-jacked my original post and turned it into a bit of a slanging match.I was simply airing a rumour i had heard about the management,nothing more.Although having read through the other thread about Etihad(Etihad Interview),the post about the young girl present during the simulator session is no secret.It seems she is from HR and is there to ASSIST..........professional/unprofessional it doesnt matter,thats the way its done.
So Gccpro if you want to have a go start your own thread.
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You seem to have hi-jacked my original post and turned it into a bit of a slanging match.I was simply airing a rumour i had heard about the management,nothing more.Although having read through the other thread about Etihad(Etihad Interview),the post about the young girl present during the simulator session is no secret.It seems she is from HR and is there to ASSIST..........professional/unprofessional it doesnt matter,thats the way its done.
So Gccpro if you want to have a go start your own thread.
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Henry the VIII: There is a new head of training, the 4th so far. Strictly a puppet. He has no input on anything. "Your compliance is mandatory" F**k **f
Kuronja. Tsst Tsst, by stating the 17 hour duty day was false, you make people want to prove you wrong. 330 was scheduled to go to Munich, via Geneva. There was a last minute change and the 340 had to do the trip. But the crew in Munich was only 330 endorsed. So instead of delaying the flight out of Munich so the inbound crew could rest, after spending the morning in the office, the VPOT and his Deputy flew to Geneva, then Munich and flew back to Abu Dhabi. You are right, it wasn't 17 hours, it was more like 19.
Kuronja. Tsst Tsst, by stating the 17 hour duty day was false, you make people want to prove you wrong. 330 was scheduled to go to Munich, via Geneva. There was a last minute change and the 340 had to do the trip. But the crew in Munich was only 330 endorsed. So instead of delaying the flight out of Munich so the inbound crew could rest, after spending the morning in the office, the VPOT and his Deputy flew to Geneva, then Munich and flew back to Abu Dhabi. You are right, it wasn't 17 hours, it was more like 19.
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I might repeat myself, however I might get remembered:
This sounds outrageously like Crossair in the early days. The same cover-up management by mushrooms:
Lay seeds and cover everything in deep dirt, if anything valuable grows through this cover, chop it of and throw more dirt upon it.
Be prepared:
Before CRX's manager-crook got indicted for negligent killing, he got the award of manager of the year! Probably because his pilots flew as long as he dictated and as far below regulations as he dictated.
Presumeably Etihad will win a award in the near future........
This sounds outrageously like Crossair in the early days. The same cover-up management by mushrooms:
Lay seeds and cover everything in deep dirt, if anything valuable grows through this cover, chop it of and throw more dirt upon it.
Be prepared:
Before CRX's manager-crook got indicted for negligent killing, he got the award of manager of the year! Probably because his pilots flew as long as he dictated and as far below regulations as he dictated.
Presumeably Etihad will win a award in the near future........
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Where there is smoke there is fire, eventually... So, the rumour is now becoming a little more than that.
Now for the Forum's "owners of the moral truth", this is (cayenne's) irresponsible posting...
How much more is there that has not been disclosed. Let the info flow freely unless one feels "responsible" (or part of) for being part of the "wrong". Money alone does NOT buy safety and professionalism outright for any price. Ensure you fly safely, PLEASE.
Now for the Forum's "owners of the moral truth", this is (cayenne's) irresponsible posting...
How much more is there that has not been disclosed. Let the info flow freely unless one feels "responsible" (or part of) for being part of the "wrong". Money alone does NOT buy safety and professionalism outright for any price. Ensure you fly safely, PLEASE.
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The interviews at Etihad are tough and fair. We have two of the best secretary assisting the pilots during the Sim session. They can type more than 40 words a minute. Try that any of you pilots. Our Post Holder Training is not a puppet. He makes all the decision with regards to upgrading, instructor pilot and new intake. He has tremendous experience as an Airbus chief instructor. Our QM is one of the best pilot ever to command on the Airbus. He runs the show at Flight Operation. Man I can count on during crisis.
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Hey gccpro what's your point...LOL..should i get into piss....g match w you ..what for ...you want it to be black so be it ..will that makes you feel better ..let me calm your concious Sigmund..it's all bad here ...did you have a problem with your application or a sim check which one is it?